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Posted: 9/14/2009 1:57:08 AM EDT
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Since I'm going to start reloading, I've been trying to get primers.
You guys are right. I simply cannot find them anywhere!! Went to a gun show yesterday and no one had them. One vendor stated he has had one-half million on backorder for over 6 months and another said he has alot on backorder for almost one year. Another vendor stated no one at any of the gunshows he does business at has had them for months. (The last vendor said he is in danger of losing his livelihood due to his inability to stay in the reloading ammunition business.) I also went to five gun shops over the last few days and none of them had any of their orders received in over 5 months. I had heard it was bad but I had no idea it was THIS bad!! 
(I do have an order for Wolf primers on backorder but have no idea when those will be coming in.) Looks like I have a long wait before I can reload any of the pistol ammo I want to reload. ETA: Brass and bullets were "a plenty" but absolutely no primers to be had here in SE Michigan. |
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Check Widener's, daily.They have SRM Primers now.You didnt say what you were looking for. Thanks, I edited the post above to say I wanted large and small pistol primers. Thanks again! Can I substitute any of the available Wolf primers for pistol primers? |
| I placed an order with Powder Valley a couple months ago for 4K CCI-#41 primers and only had to wait about a month & 1/2 for my order to be received, so I suggest just getting on a back order list now and hope for the best. Small pistol & some other primers are available in my area if you need some right now, just IM me and we can work something out I bet. |
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We seem to have SR, LP, and LR primers somewhat available here in central Alabama. Places like Bass Pro and Hoover Tactical are getting them in at
at $30.00 to $35.00 per thousand. I have not checked in the last week or so but have been able to stock up and keep loading. 
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I placed an order with Powder Valley a couple months ago for 4K CCI-#41 primers and only had to wait about a month & 1/2 for my order to be received, so I suggest just getting on a back order list now and hope for the best. Small pistol & some other primers are available in my area if you need some right now, just IM me and we can work something out I bet. Yes, I have a large order from them. Hope it comes in a month or two. |
| Primers have been slowly showing up in Iowa. You need to be persistent. Lots of places limit the amount you can buy. And some places definitely have a "friends" list (which I think is the source of much of the six month backorder talk). But the situation is improving. Expect to pay at least $30, and higher prices are not unusual. |
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First of all, thank you to everyone who posts "primers in stock" alerts. I've been keeping my eye on this forum and, because of these kind notices, just received 5K small pistol primers from Graf's and 2K small rifle primers from Widener's. That should keep me busy for a while.
Last I looked (last Friday), Graf's and Widener's still has Wolf primers in stock. |
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First of all, thank you to everyone who posts "primers in stock" alerts. I've been keeping my eye on this forum and, because of these kind notices, just received 5K small pistol primers from Graf's and 2K small rifle primers from Widener's. That should keep me busy for a while. Last I looked (last Friday), Graf's and Widener's still has Wolf primers in stock. Ditto on the appreciation for those posting the alerts. However, I am officially OUT of small pistol primers now. Son-of-a ............. Wideners is tapped dry too. I can't find any at all. |
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Check Widener's, daily.They have SRM Primers now.You didnt say what you were looking for. Thanks, I edited the post above to say I wanted large and small pistol primers. Thanks again! Can I substitute any of the available Wolf primers for pistol primers? You can substitute small rifle primers for small pistol- just start your loads at the bottom of the scale. Unfortunately, the same doesn't apply to LARGE pistol and rifle... you gotta use the large version of each due to length differences; the LR will stick out of a pistol case and a LP will be way below flush and if it DID go bang, the primer would likely pierce. |
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I just ordered 5,000 Magtech Magnum Small Pistol Primers from Graf's. Delivered for $156 - they also have Federal Small Pistol Match Primers in stock too for $30 more. You can find them here:
Graf's - Primers |
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Powder Valley has had CCI #41 primers($29K) in stock all weekend, I guess none of you need any. I posted in on the 68forum but figured you guys would have already had three post going saying they were in stock and how you bought 20K even though you have 50K already.
Just a heads up to those that need. EWP |
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FOLKS...............it is NOT GERNERALLY GOOD ADVICE to just substitute components from that given in your reloading manual.
Yes, some have substituted SR primers for SP primers BUT it is NOT the norm. Then some have also run into problems by doing so. For the SAKE of SAFETY, new reloaders should follow what the BOOK recommends. Also note that there are OTHER WARNINGS in the book, that also should be read and adhered to. AFTER, one has enough time and experience...........one can choose to EXPERIMENT. But, it's at your risk. To just as a general recommendation...........suggest switching around components without adequate warnings...........is IMHO, dangerous. NOTE: How do changing various components affect chamber pressure and velocity?
http://www.frfrogspad.com/miscelld.htm#components And for liability reasons, I'll add.............. Never mix or substitute components. Every lot of powder, primers, bullets, brass, and any other components can differ significantly. Different manufacturer's components differ substantially. For example, never substitute Federal brand primers for Magtech, and expect the same results. One primer may be fine with your load, but another brand may cause extreme pressures with the same load. Don't substitute magnum primers for standard primers for the same reason. Just because two brands of powder have similar characteristics, that does not mean they are interchangeable or mixable. Every time you finish with a lot of a component, you will have to back off the load slightly and start over, checking for overpressure signs, just as you did when you first worked the load up. You are in essence working up a brand new load. Taken from the Magtech web site. and, IMPORTANT NOTE: Reloading data published by SPEER are for SPEER bullets. Many of our bullets are of unique construction; there is no such thing as "generic loading data" any more. Other bullet makes may produce significantly different pressures and velocities. We make no warranty that our published loads are safe with another make of bullet. You, the reloader, bear the ultimate responsibility for knowing your firearm, loading equipment, and techniques. IF.....you elect to EXPERIMENT and/or change any component (from the BOOK)........the standard recommendation is to: Start low and work your way up. Watching for the classic signs of overpressure. And....with some rifles (especially the M1 Garand)......burning rate/powder selection is critical. Use the powder that the BOOK recommends. IF _______ Powder is not on the list, it may not be suitable. So, you may have to research other re-loading manuals. Or, just change your powder selection. And, you probably won't get the exact same results by switching brand for brand just cause the numbers are the same (IMR 4895 is NOT the exact same thing as H4895). Which brings us to Lot Numbers.........YMWV, lot to lot. Sometimes you see it and sometimes you don't. Aloha, Mark |
| Primers and powder are finally starting to trickle in here also. Not in huge quantities yet, but you can find limited quantities at almost every shop in town. Looks like prices are starting to get close to what they use to be also. We're not there yet, but it's getting better. |
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Quoted: Yes, thanks. I just picked up 5K of Wolf 5.56 primers from widners a sec ago. First of all, thank you to everyone who posts "primers in stock" alerts. I've been keeping my eye on this forum and, because of these kind notices, just received 5K small pistol primers from Graf's and 2K small rifle primers from Widener's. That should keep me busy for a while. Last I looked (last Friday), Graf's and Widener's still has Wolf primers in stock. |
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I finally got my butt to the range today to load test the Federal Magnum Pistol Primers out of my G17 (using a Lone Wolf standard length barrel). I ran five shot strings through my chrony from a distance of 5 feet. Humidity at 100% and 47 degrees.
Components: Winchester Brass Federal Magnum Pistol Primers Hornady 115 gr. TMJ bullets Win231 Powder OAL = 1.100" 4.2 grains Spread of 1039 fps to 1066 fps Average = 1051.8 fps Standard Deviation = 11.58 Function: No FTF or FTE Ejection: 1-2' right 4.4 grains Spread of 1072 fps to1098 fps Average = 1082 fps Standard Deviation = 10.23 Function: No FTF or FTE Ejection: 1-2' right 4.6 grains Spread of 1078 fps to 1119 fps Average = 1102 .6 fps Standard Deviation = 16.62 Function: No FTF or FTE Ejection: 2-3 ' right and rear 4.8 grains Spread of 1128 fps to 1187 fps Average = 1159.8 fps Standard Deviation: 21.60 Function: No FTF or FTE Ejection: 3'+ rear and right No signs of pressure observed in the primers or casings. The results for the 4.8 grain loads (with magnum primers) were very similar to my 4.9 grain loads I worked up using WSP regular primers. So, with this blend of components and conditions, a charge reduction in 0.1 grains was necessary to replicate my non-magnum primers loads. BTW - the 4.8 grain data is just slightly under the results I obtained for my Speer Gold Dot 9mm+P carry ammo. For what it's worth....... |
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