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Posted: 4/5/2009 12:39:06 PM EDT
Went to the store and bought 100 brand new .38 sp Remington brass . I went home and started loading it. Four shells wouldn't fit in the shell holder because the groove next to the flange wasn't machined. I primed and loaded the rest. Went to the range and shot 66 of the new loads and a friend gave me 50 Remington .38 brass from a factory box of ammo he shot. I went home tumbled, sized and cleaned the primer pockets before retumbling. A few shells felt funny as I resized them. As I cleaned the primer pockets one shell had bump in the pocket. A closer inspection showed the deprimer hit the primer hole on center except the primer hole wasn't there exactly. Lucky I didn't break the deprimer rod. I retumbled the cases to clean the lube off, then inspected all of them. Out of the 70 cases I bought 13 have the primer holes off center or wern't completely machined. Of the 50 factory ammo shells gave to me, 2 have the primer holes off center. I have just recently taken a stats course and I know the odds of this being a fluke is pretty much impossible. I will always inspect my brass completely before resizing and will think twicw before buying Remington Brass.
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Yup, $(&^ happens.
Remington or other..........it's a manufactured product. Or.......... Maybe, it says something about American Companies and/or workers? Humm........... ______________________ I'd contact Remington (with the lot number) and see what they'll do for you.........to make things right. Aloha, Mark |
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Yup, $(&^ happens. Remington or other..........it's a manufactured product. Or.......... Maybe, it says something about American Companies and/or workers? Humm........... ______________________ I'd contact Remington (with the lot number) and see what they'll do for you.........to make things right. Aloha, Mark Probably neither. Defects occur in manufacturing but not on this scale. I would say it is gross error in quality control of this company. Note, I posted here for a heads up, not a rant. |
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Looks like you will be getting some free brass from Remington. I would send them a letter with the pictures and suggest to them that 1000 pieces of brass would be fair compensation. Pistol brass lasts forever so you shouldn't need any for a long time! Im sure Rem would love to hear about this problem.
BTW, I have saw flash holes off center like this before but not that many in such a small sample of new brass. |
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Yup, $(&^ happens. Remington or other..........it's a manufactured product. Or.......... Maybe, it says something about American Companies and/or workers? Humm........... ______________________ I'd contact Remington (with the lot number) and see what they'll do for you.........to make things right. Aloha, Mark Probably neither. Defects occur in manufacturing but not on this scale. I would say it is gross error in quality control of this company. Note, I posted here for a heads up, not a rant. Note red: It's that the same thing? FWIW............I don't believe that you were on a "rant." ________________________________ But, having said all this.............. IF, you can remember a short time back.........a particular incident with a well known American Company (I won't name them) that produces 55 gr. FMJs............well, just say that they ain't making bullets like they use to or their standards have gone to $%^*. Pictures were posted of the bullets (came out of 100 bullet bags) and most everyone agreed that the bullets looked BAD. The hive recommended that he contact the mfn. Well........the company responded that the bullets passed their spec. for that particular bullet's production line. But, they still gave him some free bullets. Humm.........based on the that statement alone...........well, just say that I won't buy from them anymore. Aloha, Mark |
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I know it sucks but get over it. Statistical quality control does not ensure perfection. 100% inspection does not insure perfection.
What everyone is trying to do is get the best balance of quality and cost. If you want a higher quality standard, be prepared to pay for it. If you are not willing to pay for it, be prepared for a few defects to be mixed in. Once you start to perform these inspections yourself, you will begin to better appreciate why the higher quality bullet costs more (more time/money spent on quality control). Personally, I'd spend my time perfecting the process not inspecting the product but both cost money. I buy mostly match-grade bullets from Sierra and Hornady but I will also say I just bought a bunch of the lower cost, lower quality "Mil-spec" bullets from Widener's. I've also purchased bulk "machine gun" bullets from Winchester. I was looking for a lower cost bullet and was willing to give up some of the quality to get it. These products have a place in the market. If you wanted higher quality brass, buy Lapua (or fill in your favorite alternative here) and pay the price. When I bought the Remington rifle brass, I had the option to buy Lapua (or was it Norma?). I did not want to pay the higher price. I spent some time checking the level of quality of the Remington when I got it. I weighed and measured some cases,... I found one case with a HUGE brass shaving inside it - absolutely HUGE. I found one case with a broken flash hole punch stuck in the flash hole (they obviously broke their punch but couldn't find the case with the broken part in it. I did. Once I found that, it seemed logical to check the cases to make sure they all had flash holes. These gross defects, notwithstanding, the brass was almost as good as what is typically reported for Lapua brass (consistency of weight, neck wall thickness, etc). I didn't have to pay the up-front cost for Lapua but I did have to do the inspections. I learned a lot by doing so. The right thing to do is to call Remington and discuss this with them. Be prepared to honestly answer this question, "What will it take to make this right?" Can they recover from this is your mind or are you forever against Remington? |
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I am not against Remington brass, a majority of my brass is from Remington ammo. If I am going to buy new brass I will consider my previous experiences when comparing cost, this is what I ment by thinking twice. Don't be suprised in the future to find Remington brass in my shopping cart.
Mark, my statment refered to one company, I read yours as American companies grouped together. I hope this post saves a few decapping pins. |
Here I am..........hiding (behind the dark glasses) in shame.
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