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Posted: 1/13/2009 1:59:30 PM EDT
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(I was pulling 10 bullets and put the powder from the rounds into my press that had powder in it) I just dumped 240 grains of 748 into a full powder hopper of H335. 
I'm loading 24.5 grains of each and I know not to mix powders but it is so tempting to just keep going... |
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Can't I just scoop some off the top and stop loading well before I get to the tainted portion? This shit is expensive... 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Handloading comes with some RISK. An individual needs to gauge his or her own risk tolerance level to each situation in their life. What's acceptable to ME........may not be, to someone else. ****ALL LAWYER TYPE WARNING APPLY**** There are several levels to “play at“ with Risk: Risk tolerance, risk aversion, I’m too scared to do anything, so I‘ll ask, to mitigate the risk. Whatever. Knowing that people like to sue (when given BAD ADVICE). Any advice (especially, about re-loading) is/can be potentially DANGEROUS. Murphy Rules. I can be CAUTIOUS and can accept the RESPONSIBILITY for my actions. But, what about YOU? How safe is safe enough for you? Sorry, but it seems that it's come to the point where, I (or someone responding to this sort of thread) may have to consider talking to a LAWYER FIRST, before saying anything is SAFE. 
I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn last night and I'm not a LAWYER or play one on T.V. Remember, like most everything......YOUR MILEAGE WILL VARY. This is/was, only my advice, which you got for FREE, so it's worth that much (if anything at all). IF you're asking IF it's SAFE? I'd have to say, "NO." Aloha, Mark PS.........would I actually try it? Maybe? BTW.........I can imagine that the powder doesn't always drop as in your pic. A baffel or the funnel portion of the hopper, would (may) probably change how it works vs your pic. So, at what point will you deem it too risky? |
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BTW.........I can imagine that the powder doesn't always drop as in your pic. A baffel or the funnel portion of the hopper, would (may) probably change how it works vs your pic. So, at what point will you deem it too risky? I agree, my paint skills suck. I'd say about an inch of good powder between the tainted stuff and I toss it. |
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Don't ask how... (I was pulling 10 bullets and put the powder from the rounds into my press that had powder in it) I just dumped 240 grains of 748 into a full powder hopper of H335. 
I'm loading 24.5 grains of each and I know not to mix powders but it is so tempting to just keep going... These two powders are very close in burning rate and I would have no concerns of mixing the hopper thoroughly and using the mix as H335. |
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Don't ask how... (I was pulling 10 bullets and put the powder from the rounds into my press that had powder in it) I just dumped 240 grains of 748 into a full powder hopper of H335.
I'm loading 24.5 grains of each and I know not to mix powders but it is so tempting to just keep going... These two powders are very close in burning rate and I would have no concerns of mixing the hopper thoroughly and using the mix as H335. I looked that up too. I agree. I won't mix them though, I'll load until I get to the point where I worry about contamination and then stop. I'm aware of the pattern at which powder drains through a funnel with a baffle and I'll compensate for that. Mine pulls from the sides as well. |
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These two powders are very close in burning rate and I would have no concerns of mixing the hopper thoroughly and using the mix as H335. Ditto. If I was feeling especially wary that day I would back off the powder a grain and use the batch as blasting ammo. But no way is a mix of 97% H335 / 3% W748 going to behave much differently than straight H335. |
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These two powders are very close in burning rate and I would have no concerns of mixing the hopper thoroughly and using the mix as H335. Ditto. If I was feeling especially wary that day I would back off the powder a grain and use the batch as blasting ammo. But no way is a mix of 97% H335 / 3% W748 going to behave much differently than straight H335. Amen and I'm doing a light load too... Here is my H335 load shot interchangeably with Win 748. 
I can't tell the difference by the report at all. 24.5 grains of each... The tracers are 748 and the FMJ is H335. |
Ya know, I have an entire 8lb jug sitting there, tempting me to play some day. It is ~50% IMR 4895 and ~50% H335. I got it cheaper than 1 lb of either of those would've cost. That is going to make some cheap reloads when I finally get it out and carefully develop the load for it. As long as you're careful, and you're willing to take the minimal risk, I wouldn't sweat it. |
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OK, you've got a good sampling of opinions here, about 65-35 says NO. That is a landslide in an election, an ass-kicking in football and wonderfully good odds in Vegas.
Financially, you are losing about $25 or so. Experience-wise you are earning 100 percent gain. Biting the bullet and dumping the powder will make you a better and safer reloader who will know better next time. If you chance it this time and get away with it, who knows what unacceptable chances you will take next time. Reloading does not suffer fools and cavalier attitudes very well. I know you hate to waste the bastard powder mix, but it will burn pretty and give you an insight into the volatility of the stuff your are "playing" with. Posters telling you to go for it don't have to sweat the unseen consequences. You do. From here it is your decision. |
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Quoted: I have in the past experimented with duplex and triplex charges, they were once very much in vogue. I don't recall ever using any black powder with smokeless in cartridges. Fireworks and noisemakers are a different story, a good dose of Norma R1 will jack up the output of black powder nicely.Oh, yeah, if you decide to keep it and use it in reloads, why don't you go ahead and give it a dash of about 4 ounces of black powder as well. kind |
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My conservative, moderator side wants me to lock the thread. My Libertartian leaning side doesn't care. ? Conservative moderator: Locks threads advocating or discussing marginal and aberrant practices. Libertarian moderator: Doesn't care if you blow yourself up or bust your gun as long as you don't hurt an innocent bystander. Believes individuals should choose and take responsibility for those decisions. |
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yeah this is not a safe practice IMHO let some noob read this and think just because someone once did it and didn't end up with the bolt carrier as a third eye that its ok for them to do .....I love the fact of learning by others experiment's but at what cost ?
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yeah this is not a safe practice IMHO let some noob read this and think just because someone once did it and didn't end up with the bolt carrier as a third eye that its ok for them to do .....I love the fact of learning by others experiment's but at what cost ? Stupid people will do stupid things with or without the help or advice of others. If a reloader can not read a thread like this one and understand both viewpoints you should not be making ammo period. No one here advocated blending your own powders!! We are discussing whether the accidental mixing of a very small amount of a very similar powder is still usable. Some posters say throw it out others say proceed with some caution. If we can not discuss something as simple as this in an open and honest fashion then we may need to ban any and all mention of specific loading data lest someone use that data and do something wrong. |
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yeah this is not a safe practice IMHO let some noob read this and think just because someone once did it and didn't end up with the bolt carrier as a third eye that its ok for them to do .....I love the fact of learning by others experiment's but at what cost ? Stupid people will do stupid things with or without the help or advice of others. If a reloader can not read a thread like this one and understand both viewpoints you should not be making ammo period. No one here advocated blending your own powders!! We are discussing whether the accidental mixing of a very small amount of a very similar powder is still usable. Some posters say throw it out others say proceed with some caution. If we can not discuss something as simple as this in an open and honest fashion then we may need to ban any and all mention of specific loading data lest someone use that data and do something wrong. I agree. The argument is; if a grasshopper falls into a vat of salad dressing, should we throw out the whole vat? I'm not asking if it is ok to mix grasshoppers with salad dressing, we all know that's bad. I'm asking if a blended grasshopper fell into some ranch dressing, would it kill someone... 
The answer is no however, I'm not going to blend grasshoppers and mix them with salad dressing to pass it off as seasoning... 
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yeah this is not a safe practice IMHO let some noob read this and think just because someone once did it and didn't end up with the bolt carrier as a third eye that its ok for them to do .....I love the fact of learning by others experiment's but at what cost ? Stupid people will do stupid things with or without the help or advice of others. If a reloader can not read a thread like this one and understand both viewpoints you should not be making ammo period. No one here advocated blending your own powders!! We are discussing whether the accidental mixing of a very small amount of a very similar powder is still usable. Some posters say throw it out others say proceed with some caution. If we can not discuss something as simple as this in an open and honest fashion then we may need to ban any and all mention of specific loading data lest someone use that data and do something wrong. I agree. The argument is; if a grasshopper falls into a vat of salad dressing, should we throw out the whole vat? I'm not asking if it is ok to mix grasshoppers with salad dressing, we all know that's bad. I'm asking if a blended grasshopper fell into some ranch dressing, would it kill someone...
The answer is no however, I'm not going to blend grasshoppers and mix them with salad dressing to pass it off as seasoning... http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7286/grasshopper1fz8.jpg http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1744/exps4171rm1222c49bfe4.jpg LMAO That is an excellent analogy!
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Keep only 1 can of power out at a time and mistakes like this will be avoided. I did. (I was pulling 10 bullets and put the powder from the rounds into my press that had powder in it)
I just dumped 240 grains of 748 into a full powder hopper of H335. Only one can of power was out at a time in accordance with safety guidelines. |
I missed that part, Corollary 2 is to put all pulled powder into a separate container so you can torch it later on! http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=42&t=262616 That's how you learn Corollarys |
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