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Posted: 11/20/2007 7:40:33 PM EDT
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I want to ask for help identifying this sword, I also want to say I know nothing about swords. My mom and I were going through some of my grand fathers things, and found this, we think it might be his sword from WWII but we do not know, we know very little about my grandfather and everyone that knew more than we did has already passed away. We have a few pictures of him in his US Military Uniform, but other than that we know little. I am going through and cleaning it, the blade is not that sharp but shows no rust, the scabbard shows lots of rust, I am thinking about having it refinished, the scabbard is blued, and with all the rust it makes sense to refinish it for a nice wall piece with all few pictures of my grandfather. I would also be interested in knowing how much it is worth, I am not interested in selling it but I am curious. I would also like to know as much about it as possible to shed some more light on my grandfather. Now on with the pictures...           If you want other pictures of any part just ask. Thank you in advance. |
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I believe he was in both World Wars, enlisted underage in the first and then possibly an officer in the second, but we are very unsure. He was born in 1900 and lied about his age to get into the first World War, we have a picture of him in his uniform, I will try to get it scanned in and posted tomorrow. Thank you, |
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U.S Cavalry Sabre, Model 1913. It has a more obscure form of scabbard than the general issue, not entirerly rare. I have one. It's also known as the "Patton Sword." IIRC, it was issued from 1913 until 1934. Sarco used to have them for 140$ or so. They may still. I bought mine when I was in 3ACR. |
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Err, No it's not. Pattons' design was a straight blade. Model 1913 cavalry sabre |
sure is!! www.japanesesword.com/Images/Swords/04/1004/cav%20saber/russo_japanese_war_cavalry_saber.htm as far as price goes there is one on ebay for 350 bucks |
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Acording to my book "Military Swords of Japan" it's a Calvary Troopers sword, pattern 1886. Is the hilt made of steel or alum? Test it with a magnet. If it's steel it's japanese. Aluminum ones, appeared around 1985 and may have been chinese made for china's use, post WWII. Steel ones were made in japan from 1886- 1944. Most common before WWII, but remained in service, and production thru the end of the second world war. Not as valuable as most japanese blades because it's a machine made blade and a european pattern, but I think it's pretty cool. The numbers on the scabard and blade should match. Do the numbers on the blade appear eched or stamped? Japanese blade were stamped. There should be an arsenal mark below the guard, possibly one in the photo behind the spring clip. It looks to me like a plain 5 pointed star. Are there any marks in it or around it? If not, then the book says it's "unidentified, but believed to be a general army acceptance mark, no specific location." There may be another mark under the guard, but do not attempt to disassemble it without the special tool. This sword is unique among all japanese swords in that it uses a screw in the pommel and grip. It might make a good first sword for a beginning collector like me. |
Damn, you're right. I was just looking at the hilt, which appears to be a dead ringer for mine. D'oh. |
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I cant believe it, that is a dead match, I will look for additional markings, and take photos of anything that I find. I think this sword will make a good first collectors piece in addition to all of my WWII rifles. Thanks for everyones help, I think that this sword being a Japanese sword narrows down anything about my grandfather but as my mom and I read through more of his stuff maybe it will all make sense. |
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