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Originally Posted By bigdog02:
This is an FN thread but I think he posted in the main rifle thread and said that the AUG has been doing pretty well. Dug around and found his quote: With AUG, I know we've broken at least one bolt, several firing pin springs, at least one extractor and a few firing pins. Originally Posted By bigdog02:
Originally Posted By 45ar:
Have you got any more information on the Steyr Aug. Mine is very accurate and use it the most over other platforms. This is an FN thread but I think he posted in the main rifle thread and said that the AUG has been doing pretty well. Dug around and found his quote: With AUG, I know we've broken at least one bolt, several firing pin springs, at least one extractor and a few firing pins. Thanx for reply. Not much info on high round count on some rifles. Would like to get scar H someday. Sounds like they are excellent rifles. |
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Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business.
BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max |
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Originally Posted By bluemax_1:
Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business. BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By bluemax_1:
Hi Ron, thanks again for the wealth of info you've provided in all your threads. Next time, I'm down in Vegas, I'll definitely be stopping by your business. BTW, back in 8/2015, you posted pics of a SCAR 17 failure. Someone asked if you knew an approximate round count when that happened on the rifle but I think you might've missed the question. I just recently got a SCAR 17S so I'm particularly interested in how those have fared at your range. You mentioned that the SCAR-Ls see a LOT of use/rounds, but do the SCAR-Hs have similar round counts with minimal failures too? One specific question I have about the SCAR-H is regarding the 4 bolts (2 on each side) that hold the end plate near the buttstock. On FN Forums, some of the owners have noticed that heads of these screws/bolts were canted slightly forward (potentially due to recoil) after some usage. Are the bolts on the SCAR-Hs on your range similarly canted? If they are, and with high round counts, it would appear that it's not a failure point on the upper. Max Both SCAR's see plenty of use every day of the week and from the feedback from my staff, they both function on the same level without any reliability issues. I haven't checked for canted bolts on that area but I will make sure I do tomorrow. The only bolts we lost are the machine screws that hold the rails in place on the receiver. V/R Ron The Torx screws that hold the rails on the receiver/handguard? Is that due to torque applied from a vertical foregrip? I'm trying to figure out what would stress those Torx screws? Max |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We are going through about one bolt carrier every 9-12 months per P90. We have a total of four P90's and they get rotated out every 2-3 days. We initially started out with two but now have a total of four. The trigger groups look just the same as when we started with them. V/R Ron Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By deanwormer:
About how long (# rounds) do the P90 bolt carriers last? The plastic trigger groups holding up? We are going through about one bolt carrier every 9-12 months per P90. We have a total of four P90's and they get rotated out every 2-3 days. We initially started out with two but now have a total of four. The trigger groups look just the same as when we started with them. V/R Ron what is the round count on the p90's and how many rounds between bolt carriers breaking? |
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Just visited Ron at Battlefield Vegas yesterday. What a great place.
Ron took time out of his schedule to meet with me and show me around. He and his armorer answered all my questions on the FN SCAR series and M-249 Series of firearms. Ron showed me a SCAR17 still on line that looked well used. Full auto, surpressed, after three(3) years still running great with well over 100,000 rounds. They document everything. Round count, cleaning, maintenence, repairs, parts and parts breakage. On every gun, period. That's over 750 guns. After looking at his place and talking with him and his staff it is clear they know exactly what they are talking about. Thanks Ron 
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We had M249 go down last weekend because of a failed ejector spring but when the armorers broke it down for further maintenance, they noticed the op rod was in three pieces. The weapon had continued to run with the sections ramming into each other. I have pics on my phone that I will transfer once I get to my room tonight but everyone was impressed. The hate they had for the 249 is gone now that they don't depend on it daily during deployments. My conversation with lead armored Sean is that he now knows that proper maintenance wasn't in place at the time.
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We had M249 go down last weekend because of a failed ejector spring but when the armorers broke it down for further maintenance, they noticed the op rod was in three pieces. The weapon had continued to run with the sections ramming into each other. I have pics on my phone that I will transfer once I get to my room tonight but everyone was impressed. The hate they had for the 249 is gone now that they don't depend on it daily during deployments. My conversation with lead armored Sean is that he now knows that proper maintenance wasn't in place at the time. V/R Ron  WOW
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Here is a picture of the carrier assembly that continued to somehow run. I don't think this really helped with the life of the gas tube but it does say something about the durability. V/R Ron https://i.imgur.com/xzHiHgu.jpg WoW!!
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09, 15 & 16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11', & 14'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09, 15 & 16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11', & 14'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
WoW!!
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Here is a picture of the carrier assembly that continued to somehow run. I don't think this really helped with the life of the gas tube but it does say something about the durability. V/R Ron https://i.imgur.com/xzHiHgu.jpg WoW!!
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Hey Ron,
Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops! |
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Originally Posted By Pahc412:
Hey Ron, Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops! 
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Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
I carried an M240B in the Army. It was a heavy, unwieldy and unergonomic pig but damn was it reliable. I loved that gun.  
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To those who have gone before us. May we earn what they have given.
Take a John Browning 1918 BAR, upgrade to a FN Mle 1930/1932 BAR Type D quick change ratchet barrel, then take a German MG42 feed system, invert the gas system/bolt = FN MAG58/M240 
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Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16'
Afganistan: 09,10,11',14'&17'
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Take a John Browning 1918 BAR, upgrade to a FN Mle 1930/1932 BAR Type D quick change ratchet barrel, then take a German MG42 feed system, invert the gas system/bolt = FN MAG58/M240
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Originally Posted By joshdb50:
You shut your mouth. The M240 is amazing and beautiful! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310196/Zz6HkXJl-427146.jpg Originally Posted By joshdb50:
Originally Posted By Corporal_Chaos:
I carried an M240B in the Army. It was a heavy, unwieldy and unergonomic pig but damn was it reliable. I loved that gun. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310196/Zz6HkXJl-427146.jpg
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Originally Posted By Pahc412:
Hey Ron, Thanks so much for all of your threads like this! They're amazingly informative and have given me insight on some of my purchases over the last year or so. We all really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to post up your findings. Its been quite a while since we've seen any updates on the FN post. How are your Scars holding up? Have you had to replace anything other than "normal" replacement parts? Thank you for supporting our troops!
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Ron,
How often do you replace recoil springs on the SCAR-H? Never have seen a recommended maintenance schedule for the SCAR like I’ve seen for the AR family of weapons. I’ve been to your range three times now, and will continue to go every time I’m in Vegas. You’ve got a great operation! Thanks, The1919man |
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Originally Posted By the1919man:
Ron, How often do you replace recoil springs on the SCAR-H? Never have seen a recommended maintenance schedule for the SCAR like I’ve seen for the AR family of weapons. I’ve been to your range three times now, and will continue to go every time I’m in Vegas. You’ve got a great operation! Thanks, The1919man V/R Ron |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1:
@hendersondefense I’m curious about what ammo you guys use on the ps90’s? Also what round count can you get out of them? Full auto? |
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Ron, thanks for the thread, it's super-impressive.
Question about your F2000's - at what round count have you had to replace the barrels on those? What about the operating rod spring? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Take a John Browning 1918 BAR, upgrade to a FN Mle 1930/1932 BAR Type D quick change ratchet barrel, then take a German MG42 feed system, invert the gas system/bolt = FN MAG58/M240
CD First time I took apart a Mle 1930 BAR D it was like a light bulb when off over my head where the designed they 240 from.
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
We have both factory full-autos and post sample conversions. Both work the same without issues. V/R Ron Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Originally Posted By walkinginadangerzone:
Ron, are the SCARs factory full auto or did you'll get semi autos and convert them? V/R Ron |
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I'm not sure which aluminum lower receiver to go with at this point but there's no saving this lower. The pistol grip suffered a catastrophic failure and sheared from the housing. The staff said that it happened while on the range and the customer didn't even notice it. It looked like a the grip came loose as the customer was bursting the weapon. This particular rifle has been on the line for several years and no idea of the round count. V/R Ron Attached File |
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Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I'm not sure which aluminum lower receiver to go with at this point but there's no saving this lower. The pistol grip suffered a catastrophic failure and sheared from the housing. The staff said that it happened while on the range and the customer didn't even notice it. It looked like a the grip came loose as the customer was bursting the weapon. This particular rifle has been on the line for several years and no idea of the round count. V/R Ron https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125089/Broken_SCAR17_jpg-1141366.JPG 
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