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Posted: 8/15/2013 8:04:43 AM EDT
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ok ive had a scar 17 and an armalite super sass in the past. i never shot my scar but did shoot the sass. i sold them both during the panic because what fool wouldnt make 1k off each gun sold. Anyway the the time has come to get one or the other. I will be putting a leupold mark 4 lrt or a nightforce nxs on either gun. what is the accuracy like on the scar say at 6-800 yards. i mean i know the sass is 1k yard capable with good ammo and shooter doing his part with. Ill be using a variety of ammo but 168 gr for the long lange hits. I also want to hunt with this weapon and i like the weight of the scar but i need some long range accuracy. any comments would be appreciated.
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ok ive had a scar 17 and an armalite super sass in the past. i never shot my scar but did shoot the sass. i sold them both during the panic because what fool wouldnt make 1k off each gun sold. Anyway the the time has come to get one or the other. I will be putting a leupold mark 4 lrt or a nightforce nxs on either gun. what is the accuracy like on the scar say at 6-800 yards. i mean i know the sass is 1k yard capable with good ammo and shooter doing his part with. Ill be using a variety of ammo but 168 gr for the long lange hits. I also want to hunt with this weapon and i like the weight of the scar but i need some long range accuracy. any comments would be appreciated. thanks sean Sean, I think it is tempting to look at the SCAR 17 as a SASS, but you have to realize it is not a SASS. It is a true light weight battle rifle. Can it be made to fill a DMR role yes and some elite units in Afghanistan are doing just that to good effect. For the role of a battle rifle I think it is more than accurate to get the job done. You are looking at an average 1.5 MOA gun with the SCAR that will feed anything. Everything I put in it, from 168gr Federal GMM, to Hornady 155 and 168 TAP, to L2A2 ball, Privi, etc shot 1.5 MOA with ZERO FTF, FTE, etc to date. Yes, I installed the geissele super scar trigger. The AR (or other assault type rifles) are typically 0-300 yard weapons The SCAR 17 (battle rifles) are 0-500/600 yard weapons I've seen several SCAR 17's achieve around 1 MOA with M118LR in the hands of a decent shooter. I'd like to see what the Mk 20 is going to be able to do, but the SCAR 17 is a great combination of manageable weight, good ergos / recoil management and great accuracy for an EBR. Just my opinion but If you want a .5 MOA gun get an OBR or a bolt gun. For the record I own both a SCAR16 Sand SCAR17 and love to shoot them both. Dave, |
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I can pretty much agree with all of the above. The scar is great, but it's not quite on par with the OBR or a heavy bolt gun for precision. I can get 1.5 MOA with privi ball ammo and just a hair over 1 MOA with federal 175 gold medal match. As said above, the scar is very capable as a DMR out to 600 yards, but it is a bit lacking when compared with a purpose built sniper rifle at farther distances.
That said, I do use a leupold mark IV on my scar because I feel it deserves at bit more than a 3.5x ACOG due to its accuracy. |
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I respectfully disagree with the above statements. I was at a long-range shooting competition early this year. The first shot was 1000 yards, cold bore, at a Larue silhouette target. There were appox. 24 entrants with guns ranging from Accuracy International AWs, to Larue OBRs, to all manner of tricked out 700s and AR-10s. Only one person made the 1000 yard shot--she was shooting a SCAR 17 (she is also a regular in this forum).
I didn't own one at the time--I do now. Dont let the pencil barrel and light weight fool you; I'd put it up against any SASS or OBR for semi-auto practical accuracy. |
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The SCAR with 168gr bullets seem to shoot very well at long distances. Assuming the shooter does their part.
I own both 16S and 17S. Love them BOTH!!! I recently installed Geissele Super SCAR triggers in both. They are even better now. Good luck with your decision. |
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I just got my SCAR 17S a couple of weeks ago and finally have it setup like I want for 200+ yards. I'm going to take it out tomorrow with 175gr Federal Gold Match ammo to see what it is capable of. http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss47/vincent317/Guns/FNHSCAR17S03_zps3eaa07a3.jpg Well, how did it do? |
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My 17 I have a 1-4 optic currently on it and at 100m it will hold a 1.5 MOA with 147gr FMJ, .80MOA with Winchester Match 168gr, .5-.75MOA with Federal match 168gr. I have a super SCAR trigger is the only modification to the function on the rifle. But I must say consistently my SCAR will shoot just as good as my bolt .308 and my M1a Loaded with the Federal Match they all shoot just almost the same with in .1-.2MOA.
Also possibly in the future you might be able to get longer 20" barrel with a rail extension you would have a SCAR SSR minus the stock. |
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Well, just to add to the discussion, I have a 17s with the Elcan 1-4X optic with the BDC reticle.
I have settled on American Eagle M1a Match ammo as I can use the holds on the BDC out to 660 yards. Hitting 9X12" steel plate with my long range buddy calling wind no problem. As good as it shoots I have been debating getting the 1.5-6X Elcan. I have the Geissele trigger, it's worth every penny. I can't see getting an OBR or anything else at this point. |
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And were you guys shooting 3 or 5 round groups.? It is a pain but the average of (5) 5 shot groups is the true measure of a guns accuracy. My GAP put 3 shots into 0.07" during initial sight in but that doesn't make it a .1" rifle. What caliber are you shooting where you can put a group into .07 hole? You do realize that .308 is the smallest actual hole you can make with a SCAR 17? |
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And were you guys shooting 3 or 5 round groups.? It is a pain but the average of (5) 5 shot groups is the true measure of a guns accuracy. My GAP put 3 shots into 0.07" during initial sight in but that doesn't make it a .1" rifle. What caliber are you shooting where you can put a group into .07 hole? You do realize that .308 is the smallest actual hole you can make with a SCAR 17? You do realize groups are measured center to center for the most part right? |
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And were you guys shooting 3 or 5 round groups.? It is a pain but the average of (5) 5 shot groups is the true measure of a guns accuracy. My GAP put 3 shots into 0.07" during initial sight in but that doesn't make it a .1" rifle. What caliber are you shooting where you can put a group into .07 hole? You do realize that .308 is the smallest actual hole you can make with a SCAR 17? You do realize groups are measured center to center for the most part right? So half of .308 would be .154 your numbers still make no sense. Also how often do you have perfect .308 holes in your paper? .07 I am calling 
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So half of .308 would be .154 your numbers still make no sense. Also how often do you have perfect .308 holes in your paper? .07 I am calling Quoted:
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And were you guys shooting 3 or 5 round groups.? It is a pain but the average of (5) 5 shot groups is the true measure of a guns accuracy. My GAP put 3 shots into 0.07" during initial sight in but that doesn't make it a .1" rifle. What caliber are you shooting where you can put a group into .07 hole? You do realize that .308 is the smallest actual hole you can make with a SCAR 17? You do realize groups are measured center to center for the most part right? So half of .308 would be .154 your numbers still make no sense. Also how often do you have perfect .308 holes in your paper? .07 I am calling I don't know if he did or didn't shoot a 0.07" group, but you measure outside distance between the two furthest apart holes and subtract the bullet diameter. Given that, a 0.07" group is possible, albeit not probable. |
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I don't know if he did or didn't shoot a 0.07" group, but you measure outside distance between the two furthest apart holes and subtract the bullet diameter. Given that, a 0.07" group is possible, albeit not probable. Quoted:
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And were you guys shooting 3 or 5 round groups.? It is a pain but the average of (5) 5 shot groups is the true measure of a guns accuracy. My GAP put 3 shots into 0.07" during initial sight in but that doesn't make it a .1" rifle. What caliber are you shooting where you can put a group into .07 hole? You do realize that .308 is the smallest actual hole you can make with a SCAR 17? You do realize groups are measured center to center for the most part right? So half of .308 would be .154 your numbers still make no sense. Also how often do you have perfect .308 holes in your paper? .07 I am calling I don't know if he did or didn't shoot a 0.07" group, but you measure outside distance between the two furthest apart holes and subtract the bullet diameter. Given that, a 0.07" group is possible, albeit not probable. If .07 is possible show me paper that holds together to measure .07 in a 5 shot group. I know how to calculate MOA but I am just pointing out that even the bullet alone cut in half is bigger than the group he is claiming that the amount of paper left on the target would not be there to even measure a group that small. It is completely unrealistic to even begin to try to measure MOA out that many decimal points. I could believe .7 even down to .15 with pictures but .07 I want to see that measured because I do not believe it is possible to have enough target left behind to measure anything that small. I should have better explained what I was trying to get at. |
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If someone wants to send me a phone number or email I will txt them a picture tonight.
I used to have a lot of time to shoot and practice.I put 4 round into 2.6" at 560 yards and the 5th shot opened it up to 4.1". With a POF 308 while using my truck windowsill for a rest. But of course that is probably unbelievable too. There are people that can shoot a lot better than I can. I don't know what the big deal is. Everyone interested in precision shooting should buy/subscribe to the Snipershide online training. If you follow along and do the dryfire and drills you will become a much better shooter. With that training and a name brand custom rifle and good ammo you will see a lot of small unbelievable groups. Edit: I don't have a photo host or the time right now to set one up. Someone can post them if they want. Just need a phone or email to send to. |
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If someone wants to send me a phone number or email I will txt them a picture tonight. I used to have a lot of time to shoot and practice.I put 4 round into 2.6" at 560 yards and the 5th shot opened it up to 4.1". With a POF 308 while using my truck windowsill for a rest. But of course that is probably unbelievable too. There are people that can shoot a lot better than I can. I don't know what the big deal is. Everyone interested in precision shooting should buy/subscribe to the Snipershide online training. If you follow along and do the dryfire and drills you will become a much better shooter. With that training and a name brand custom rifle and good ammo you will see a lot of small unbelievable groups. Post them here. |
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If someone wants to send me a phone number or email I will txt them a picture tonight. I used to have a lot of time to shoot and practice.I put 4 round into 2.6" at 560 yards and the 5th shot opened it up to 4.1". With a POF 308 while using my truck windowsill for a rest. But of course that is probably unbelievable too. There are people that can shoot a lot better than I can. I don't know what the big deal is. Everyone interested in precision shooting should buy/subscribe to the Snipershide online training. If you follow along and do the dryfire and drills you will become a much better shooter. With that training and a name brand custom rifle and good ammo you will see a lot of small unbelievable groups. Post them here. Not a member, he can't. Also, plenty of apps out there that can figure out the MOA for you. |
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If .07 is possible show me paper that holds together to measure .07 in a 5 shot group. I know how to calculate MOA but I am just pointing out that even the bullet alone cut in half is bigger than the group he is claiming that the amount of paper left on the target would not be there to even measure a group that small. It is completely unrealistic to even begin to try to measure MOA out that many decimal points. I could believe .7 even down to .15 with pictures but .07 I want to see that measured because I do not believe it is possible to have enough target left behind to measure anything that small. I should have better explained what I was trying to get at. I don't know about your calipers, but mine measure to 0.001". Granted, there could be error in the measurement, but that would be a result of the operator and perhaps some systemic error from the elasticity of the paper. 0.07" would essentially be 3 bullets in almost the same hole, which again, is possible even if improbable. It's not something I would believe without seeing, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. Your post made it sound like it's not possible to shoot a group smaller than .308 with a .308 rifle, which as we all know is bullshit. |
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Not a member, he can't. Also, plenty of apps out there that can figure out the MOA for you. Quoted:
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If someone wants to send me a phone number or email I will txt them a picture tonight. I used to have a lot of time to shoot and practice.I put 4 round into 2.6" at 560 yards and the 5th shot opened it up to 4.1". With a POF 308 while using my truck windowsill for a rest. But of course that is probably unbelievable too. There are people that can shoot a lot better than I can. I don't know what the big deal is. Everyone interested in precision shooting should buy/subscribe to the Snipershide online training. If you follow along and do the dryfire and drills you will become a much better shooter. With that training and a name brand custom rifle and good ammo you will see a lot of small unbelievable groups. Post them here. Not a member, he can't. Also, plenty of apps out there that can figure out the MOA for you. Anyone can post pics membership is not required only for video. Just have to use the pic button in the message window and attach link. |
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Drr, that assumes that he has a hosting site. And, if you had read his post, you'd know this already! Fyi- Members can upload directly to AR-15 and host them here. FYI you might want to go read all the rules, site usage information. AR15.com does not host pictures you must link them from a photo sharing (photo bucket, flickr etc etc) |
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FYI you might want to go read all the rules, site usage information. AR15.com does not host pictures you must link them from a photo sharing (photo bucket, flickr etc etc) Quoted:
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Drr, that assumes that he has a hosting site. And, if you had read his post, you'd know this already! Fyi- Members can upload directly to AR-15 and host them here. FYI you might want to go read all the rules, site usage information. AR15.com does not host pictures you must link them from a photo sharing (photo bucket, flickr etc etc) Or the moron could go RE-READ THE POSTS FULLY, but I suppose that's too hard. Edit: I don't have a photo host or the time right now to set one up. Someone can post them if they want. Just need a phone or email to send to. |
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FYI you might want to go read all the rules, site usage information. AR15.com does not host pictures you must link them from a photo sharing (photo bucket, flickr etc etc) Quoted:
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Drr, that assumes that he has a hosting site. And, if you had read his post, you'd know this already! Fyi- Members can upload directly to AR-15 and host them here. FYI you might want to go read all the rules, site usage information. AR15.com does not host pictures you must link them from a photo sharing (photo bucket, flickr etc etc) Gold & Platinum members have access to the AR15.com Media Server. I've never taken my SCAR 17 out past 200. But it kept a decent 6" or so group at that distance using crappy American Eagle .308 FMJ. |
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