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Posted: 2/21/2009 10:05:49 AM EDT
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Right now my black rifle battery contains
Full length FAL 18 inch FAL carbine MAADI AkM 16 inch AR 15 Midlength 20 inch AR 15 rifle VECTOR UZI CARBINE and a slew of riot style shotguns.... I am thinking a PS 90 would be very nice.... But at the same time, a 14.5 inch AR carbine built to be light weight would be nice too, and full set up with optics for the price of a BARE PS90. I have a complete lower, minus the actual stock.... that could be easily remidied... I think I am talking myself out of one writing this post. I really want one cause: -50 rounds on tap is sweet -no recoil is sweet -compact as my UZI folded... -would be good for the girlfriend I no longer have my worries are: -Ammo is not really effective for SD weapon -will be a money Pit w/ $60 mags and you have sink expensive sights into them first thing... -not cost effective vs. lightweight 14.5inch carbine |
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My opinion is ARs are nice. Wonderious veriety and in infinate combinations, But still never be a PS90?
As far as ammo for SD? Well thats an argument that goes round and round. The 7.62 folks pick on the 5.56 folks and they pick on the 5.7 folks. In the end you have to hit him and where you do/ how many times has allot to say about SD. Its also not hard to find posts on boards where folks did tests and the 5.7 did beter than some want to see it do. I have seen to many folks put down with small calibers to scoff. Add in expansion, yawing and tumbling. No/little recoil means just that. Should mean accurate followups. In addition as I understand it there are some folks selling SD loads that you might want to look into. As far as mags. Yaaa Maaan they are $65 bucks. But ya know how much are AR mags now? Do you need additional non tilt followers? This one is a 50rd mag(potentially) that sits flush with the weapon. Neat!! Besides how many mags do you actually need? 
Cost effective? An sks is cost effective. An AK well used to be more cost effective. An AR? Do you mean a $600 you build or a $1200 plus how much to supe it up uber brand AR? Still not a PS90? Depends on what you want. I dont know what you mean by expensive sights. The USG comes with a neat sight. If you want magnification you can get a rail for the USG and have an extra sight or just go for a Trirail and your in the exact same boat as buying a AR flatt top scope wise. In the end its a bullpup. Pick one up, handle it. If it snuggles in take it home and introduce it to your ARs. My 2 cents Oka |
My wife couldn't work the charging handle on my STG-556's so I bought her a std PS90 w/USG black reticle sight (which we immediately sold for $400) then equipped it w/an Aimpoint CompC3 in the TROS ultralow Aimpoint mount. While not as powerful as the STG's .223 I know I wouldn't want to get tapped in the chest a few times w/the 5.7's 40gr JHP!
On the other hand, if the PS90 is too weak for your cup of tea, how about the MSAR STG-556? It's only 1" longer than the PS90, has a 42rd mag instead of the PS90's 50rd mag and when equipped as shown below weighs the same fully loaded as the PS90 fully loaded shown above (appx 8.75lbs). 
Tomac |
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Is someone ever gonna build an AUG that takes AR mags like the original NATO conversion? if they do, I would buy one. I do like the AUG, much better then the F2000.... It will be a few months before I plunk down for anything new... We will see I suppose. Its already been done... TPD AXR. Get one. |
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My wife couldn't work the charging handle on my STG-556's so I bought her a std PS90 w/USG black reticle sight (which we immediately sold for $400) then equipped it w/an Aimpoint CompC3 in the TROS ultralow Aimpoint mount. While not as powerful as the STG's .223 I know I wouldn't want to get tapped in the chest a few times w/the 5.7's 40gr JHP! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/MichellesPS90SNFN057123.jpg On the other hand, if the PS90 is too weak for your cup of tea, how about the MSAR STG-556? It's only 1" longer than the PS90, has a 42rd mag instead of the PS90's 50rd mag and when equipped as shown below weighs the same fully loaded as the PS90 fully loaded shown above (appx 8.75lbs). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/ResizeofLowMicroMount002.jpg Tomac +1 for STG if your looking to stay in the 5.56 range!! |
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Is someone ever gonna build an AUG that takes AR mags like the original NATO conversion? if they do, I would buy one. I do like the AUG, much better then the F2000.... It will be a few months before I plunk down for anything new... We will see I suppose. MSAR's latest STG (called the E4) is due out very soon and takes AR mags. Tomac |
| Ok, the 5.7mm is the same size bullet as a .223. There are 5.7 rounds that come close to 3000 FPS out of the PS90. Inside of 100 yards, the PS90 with the right ammo should be just as effective as any .223 but you will have less recoil (a lot less) and 50 round mags. I wouldn't mind getting one! FYI, there is a Tri-Rail version that you can put what ever sight you want on. |
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Everything is a plus and minus when it comes to comparing different calibers and different rifles.
The biggest negative for me with the PS90 is the fact that it's difficult to obtain spare parts as FNH USA will not directly sell them to you the civilian. Granted they have good warranty service, but should an AWB go into effect or import restrictions somehow exclude further import of the PS90 then the clock will be ticking away on the service life of your PS90 and it's various parts. Now if you can afford to purchase two PS90's not so much an issue if you keep the other one in reserve for spare parts. The other negatives include added expense for the ammunition, which although not a huge difference can add up if you do a lot of shooting. The other negative for me is the slow reload, but hey at 50 rounds you're not reloading a lot. The other negative is the fact that it's lethal effective range is MUCH less than the 5.56 or .223. The postives include the short overall length, the limited muzzle flash, limited report, limited recoil, and the fact that it is much more lethal than the 9mm IMHO. People will always be critical that 5.7x28mm doesn't meet the penetration requirements of the FBI at 14" on a consistent basis, BUT there is more to life than penetration depth and I have yet to see a scientific explanation of why 14" is so superior to 12 or 11" of penetration. I think you have to avoid looking at bullets from a single view point and sort of take the overall factors into consideration. Just as some folks get so obssessed with velocity alone some folks can get too obssessed with penetration. For me I like that you reduced risk of overpenetration, because the 5.7x28mm is a close in round to be used if you're a civlian in situations where overpentration is a serious concern. Found some good videos that might interest folks here on the 5.7x28mm. Just a guy with wet phone books and showing the difference with various rounds compared to the 5.7x28mm like the .22 LRM and 9mm. Keep in mind these videos from the 5" barrel 5.7 pistol. 5.7x28 vs. 9mm 5.7x28mm vs. .22 Magnum If you want some good defensive loads (too expensive for range bulk) try Elite Ammunition: http://www.eliteammunition.com/ The 5.7x28mm is the most misunderstood round out there right now. In a rush people came out issuing their opinions based on isolate narrow examinations. Secret Service carries the PS90 to protect the President. The weapon certainly has its place and the round is a good round in my opinion if you need to tailor it to a mission where 5.56 would be overkill and 9mm wouldn't get the job done. For me I'll take the STG with .223 75 TAP, but that's what I have judged under my variables and will not serve everyone else. |
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I don't work with Elite Ammunition or have anything to do with them outside of using their ammo.
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