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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SCAR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/12/2008 7:18:50 PM EDT
Gentelmen, Well by great surprise my local gun dealer had a couple real nice sales represenatives from FNH today displaying all the new 45 ACP pistols and as an added bonus they had a SCAR military prototype for first class personal inspection for the customer base this afternoon. Now this 5.56 varient was in the standard desert tan configeration with all the goodies of a four position style stock which folded to the right and its modular design and break down was simple to understand and and vary simular to a MP5 in some aspects for disasembly. After a brief time of holding the carbine and pointing it at the horizontal position i could really see how impressive the design is. The folding front sight appiture was vary unique in overall design. The prototype unit had a eotech mounted for display which played vary well with a optional front grip which handles just like an M4. FN reps stated a civie modle would be out by next spring and an estimated 1800. to 2k price tag. The civie model will be updated with 5 position stock, but color was not discussed at this time. Providing FNH can meet DOD and civie demand for this upcoming product Colt and the rest of the AR industry is going to have some serious problems keeping the butter on the table. FNH represenative stated the SCAR operating system and barrel has four times the service life of the curent DOD M4  After all the hoopla i still had enough time to buy a NIB FS2000 scope standard model and get my free t shirt, Hee haa !! |
| I happened to stop buy also and got to play with the SCAR. It was very easy to take down and put back togther, which I did a few times. I really like the buttstock and the adjustment for the cheek piece. When I asked them a realistic price and ETA they also said $1800 to $2000. But they told me it would be August to October of this year depending on production. BIG_ELF's description is right on and it is a great looking and handling rifle IMO. |
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The SCAR Light is still scheduled for 3rd quarter (probably the end) and the SCAR H is scheduled for 1st Quarter 2009. Maybe the guy thought the OP was asking about the SCAR H or got the H and L mixed up (people make mistakes). They have been pretty consistent in saying 3rd Quarter SCAR L release. |
Jeez, you can't even have a discussion in the FN forum about the SCAR without someone coming in to talk about the ACR.  I'd like to talk about the merits of the SCAR over the ACR, but that's impossible to do here without things becoming nasty and personal. I encourage folks to read the SHOT Show 2008 SCAR thread under "General" here. |
Cause black blends in so much better out in the PA woods  Sorry to break it to ya, but the tan rifle will blend in better in just about any environment. If ya like black thats great, but black sticks out in nature like a lighthouse beacon, so come up with a better reason next time 
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Really????? Tan blends better at night than black? Thanks for trying. 
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Honestly i think that any natual color for this sytem would work for me. The tan looked way to cool and gave the system a different look by exploring a different attitude just like the first PS90's were green at the begining of the import game. I belive that i will have the money ready for the SCAR and bypass the BM/magpul system, strictly based on popularity and the design profile from a major DOD company like FNH. I really like how the SCAR can be modified with no special tools to eject from the right or left making it an ideal and handy carbine. I love original Colt 6920/M4 but as this carbine become more attractive over time with standard features already in place like rail sytems in the forearm for lights and Front grip i can see the SCAR really becoming a true bargin if you start looking at how much money can be dumped on an M4 and post accessory add ons. I already have a nice looking eotech 553 waiting for a chance to hook up with this new FN product. 
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You mean that the charging handle can be placed on the left or right side? I have not seen any picture of a SCAR with a physical opening on the left side of the receiver that would allow the weapon to eject a cartridge to the left. Jason |
So you are the type that goes to the dealership and buys a car regardless of it's color as well? It's a large purchase, I can understand someone waiting to get exactly what they want. Personally, I think they look good in any color so I'm getting the first L and H I can find. I am especially fond of the tan and black 2 tone though
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I think there are plenty of shooters/collectors in the US that will buy both the SCAR and MASADA. I will certainly be buying both because I like the way both designs are executed. |
| I highly doubt that FN is even taking the ACR seriously. With all due respect to Magpul, it was designed by a business who made their mark selling plastic molded gimmicks, and has just recently garnered any real respectability with their stocks which are great, but IMO way over priced. Now the design is being produced by Bushmaster, who is a second rate AR15 company that has no real experience selling squat to the .mil. FN is one of the largest military suppliers in the world with years upon years of experience building weapons.......not to mention 1000x more revenue went into building and testing the scar as opposed to the ACR. I would take a wild guess that the ACR/masada/bushmaster is nothing more than a pesky insect to them, and won't put the slightest dent in their revenue. |
Magpul may be new, but their engineers are sharp, and Cerberus brings a lot to the table. Don't sell them short. For what it is worth, everything FN makes that Browning or Stoner didn't have a hand in is pretty much crap. Their new pistols, P90, F2000, etc. They made their name with belt feds and Hi-Powers. |
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman Now, lets not make this another pointless SCAR vs. Masada debate. |
Here's the original post I made about it in the WA HT forum:
BTW - I was the guy w/ the camera. |
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I started reading this and thought; "Wait a minute. Fivepointoh lives in Illinois. He can't have SBR's. Silly Fivepointoh." Then I saw you no longer live in that hole. Good for you bro! Must've missed the move. Anyway, I don't think that FN is worried about civie sales at all. They have the contract with DOD for SOCOM. That is all that matters. Civie sales are a distant second or third. The money that the civilian market brings into this business is usually pennies in comparison for the big boys that have government contracts. Oh, and like the enlightened Fivepointoh; I will be getting both.
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Clasky...yep, moved about a month ago. Working on an 11.5" build right now. Getting my IN license on Friday and ordering my 11.5" upper on Saturday. Also ordering the lower w/ it which will be put on a 4473 as a pistol and the stock will reside at a friends house. Then I'll have my lower engraved and then ship off the Form 1. Hope you're doin good bro! BTW IN is so much nicer than IL |
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Look at it this way. The FS2000 and PS90 came out first in one color OD Green and when people demanded black sure enough the black FS2000s and PS90s came to market. If the SCAR comes out first in FDE you can probably make a safe bet that it will come out in other colors as well. Civilian sales may not amount to as much as their SOCOM contract, but keep in mind that this is a company that is all about making every dime they can and God bless their capitalist hearts for it. If civilians want black they'll give you black..if enough people demand midnight purple they'll give you that. Whatever it takes to make larger profits. |
You think the fs2000, ps90, and fnp pistols are junk? Thats quite laughable. |
Oh well, Good I hope Combat Jack doesn't purchase a SCAR. That's good news. They are already going to be in very high demand so we can certainly do without one more guy trying to buy a SCAR. Good luck with that ACR Combat Jack.  |
Maybe you should try "shooting" them instead of "looking" at them.  I have yet to see anyone in person that didn't love shooting the ps, fs, or any of the FNP handguns, or even the five seven for that matter. I'm sure the scar will be no different......<-----------ar15 section that way and the Magpul koolaid forum is this way------------> |
Hey jack for so many posts you have here on AR15, first get a life, second you don't know shit about the FS2000 and yet you type with such athority it makes me laugh. |
I am in my lane, but you have left yours. I will not elaborate further.
Some people are easily amused. Last time I shot FN products the ammo was free and I still was so frustrated with them that I gave up and let others burn up the free ammo. |
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Ok, 1) The SCAR will come in black the only question is when will black be available. The FS2000 and PS90 came in OD green at first, but were later sold in evil black. 2) The price for the SCAR hasn't been announced yet it could be less than that or it could be slightly more. Keep in mind though that you get the full rail system (monolith top rail, side rails, and lower rail) standard along with BUIS and a folding/collapsable stock all from a company that produces 80% of US Military small arms. The SCAR is built to milspec by a company that has a reputation second to none for their quality. If you look at similiar rifles like the XCR and start adding the options the SCAR has as standard to it you'll be over the $1700 mark. Plus remember we get a barrel with a 30,000 round service life and a rifle with a rated 90,000 round service life. That's beyond the majority of AR barrels and rifles available. Oh, and I hear the trigger is very nice. 3) The SCAR L can be turned into the SCAR H as they share 80% parts commonality. Whether seperate SCAR H conversion kits will be sold and when is unknown at this point. However, the SCAR H will be available for sale in the First Quarter of 2009. |
Last thing I read about the SCAR indicated that this is not true. The H and L receiver/chassis is not the same - I think the H is slightly longer... I will be getting both! 
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You're right, but the receiver isn't a whole rifle. They were going to do a common receiver and they were in fact working on that got shelved and from what I hear there is a fair chance they'll come back later and look at that as an option (as in years from now). However, they are still showing in all their marketing material that the L and H have 80% part commonality. I'm not sure what they count and how much they count it for percentage wise, but that's the number they are throwing out there. |
| I think it was some early literature or a review that said that it was convertable from 223 to .308. But I guess I may have confused the 80% comment, but I don't think so.To me all the improvements are nice, but they are evolutionary, not revolutionary. I'd like to see a kenetic to electric system to replace all the batteries. Built in video capability (not really for civy use) for net centric warfare, around the corner shots, and IFF. Built in laser range finding and target solution computation.To me the SCAR is a highly polished canon ball, but still a canon ball. Let's move onto the howitzer. |
This sort of whiz-bang electronic stuff should remain as modular components, interfacing w/ the rails - one of the the primary reasons for rails in the 1st place - & replaceable w/ new upgrades as new, improved versions come online. 80%+ parts commonality doesn't include 5.56 -> 7.62 conversion. Development of the common-receiver platform is supposedly ongoing, but no one knows whether or not it will become reality outside the factory at this point. I'm not sure that a heavy, 7.62-capable receiver would be so ideal for 5.56/6.8 applications, but no doubt, the driving force behind a 1-size-fits-all platform is probably cost-reduction. |
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I played with a SCAR at the "east coast" SAR show yesterday in York, PA and I was really disappointed!!! Now, not because there was something wrong with the rifle, but because I did not want to like and when I did -- I realized I better starting saving for the purchase! It was very slick and shouldered very nice. While I was there i also got to fondle a SCAR Heavy and it to went right on the must have list (anybody need a kidney from a non drinker). I asked the rep how the recoil was compared to the heavier FAL I had and he said not bad. The rep then said, "you must recognize that magazine (meaning the FAL 20rnd mag in the rifle)." I said "yes" and asked when the 30rnd mags were coming back out and he laughed. Anyway, he says the SCAR lights will be December -- Heavies -- he had no idea. He also said that the Lights were going to be released in the desert color scheme. They had some nice marketing garb. I got a nice 12"x12" brochure and they threw my buddy a SCAR challenge coin for me. NOW I'm like, obligated to buy one......... |
| FN was at a local gun range around where I live and they let me buy some ammo and shoot it. Which was fun. It has a pretty slow rate of fire as I'm sure you guys know, so it is easily controllable. The FN reps were very nice and they said the Civi version of the SCAR should be out by November of this year. |
With the SCAR the receiver/chassis is the registered part. It IS the gun. So no you cannot convert a L to an H - without owning one of each.
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