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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:33:46 PM EDT
| Would you guys consider it bad form to buy THIS and then put a carbine stock and SBR 300BLK upper on it? |
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Nope. I wouldn't even if it was a factory colt full auto. Run what you want. But it being a conversion, there is no historical value to the gun, so run what you want and be happy. +1. Be aware, however, that that lower receiver in the auction uses the oversize front takedown pin. You will need to either use an offset adapter, or have the receiver modified, to use a milspec upper, which I'm sure the 300BLK upper is. 
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That add is somewhat decieving. It claims it is a M-16 but that would make it a factory full auto not a conversion. My goodness is that what colt conversions are going for these days? If you haven't been watching Franks auctions, any time he has a conversion he pretends that he points that out by listing it as an "M16". He has done some weird stuff with some of the things he has sold, or listed, as a lot of the guns aren't in his inventory, he is just listing them for people. But yes, he makes it seem that it is a factory colt full auto, when it clearly is not. |
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That ad is a exersize in tap dancing.
If a new guy didn't know the difference between a factory MG and a conversion, he'd think he's buying an genuine M16. You notice lot of these sort of vaguely misleading weasle ads on gunbroker. Especially from certain vendors... If I had either a clone or a conversion I would not hesitate to strip it down and rebuild it into whatever modernized configuration I wanted. Personally, I'd go with a 6920 type setup, I think that's a flawless AR configuration. |
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Nope. I wouldn't even if it was a factory colt full auto. Run what you want. But it being a conversion, there is no historical value to the gun, so run what you want and be happy. I'm definitely starting to lean towards keeping factory M16s in their original state, even though tacticooling them would be reversible. You know how you see a 60s musclecar with some blingy wheels on it and it just doesn't quite seem proper? Even though it might look nicer than the dog dish hubcaps the car came with, it seems out of place. I guess I'm starting to see the factory M16s as historical artifacts. |
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Is a conversion worth 15k? That seems really spendy to me. That is about the going rate for conversions. Give or take about +/- $1000. Yup. Sadly (if you're buying) or fortunately (if you're selling), that is current market. I see, however, that it's now at $15k and the reserve is not yet met. IMHO, someone is being wildly optimistic.
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The age of the $20K+ factory M16A1 is already upon us.
Recently a plain jane 20" A1 model sold on gunbroker for $22K, and it has plenty of dings on it. It's a "shooter". Looks like just a regular CH code mid 70s A1. Also, a really minty 14" commando model sold for almost $30K. It's a nice gun but nothing special about it in my book. Those are bid prices on gunbroker auctions, with multiple bids and everything. It stands to reason that the clones and conversions will track behind the factory guns at some discount. |
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For that much money I would want better pictures. 
However, you're really buying the paper That's true, 90% of the value of the gun is the paper. But since that gun is a Colt, there is actually some "retro collectability" to the parts. So the condition would matter somewhat. Compare that to a clone where the parts are basically worth practically nothing. How much is a 35 year old Oly upper worth? |
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ugh turned down a minty 1985-1986 vintage AR15-A2 SP1 conversion in carbine config for $9500 3 years ago... and at the time the people on this board were telling me it was overpriced by a grand.
I was holding out for a Sendra or Colt M16 for a few thousand more that never materialized. On the SP1, the big hole is offset and I hear all sorts of issues using adapters. If I had known these existed at the time, I would have bought it: https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html M60 Joe supposedly does a nice permanent conversion, but I figure after labor and shipping, it would be pretty close to a nice Sendra. But $15k for a SP1 is insane. Can't you get an RDIAS for $20k? At that point you might as well pay the extra $5k. |
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Nope. I wouldn't even if it was a factory colt full auto. Run what you want. But it being a conversion, there is no historical value to the gun, so run what you want and be happy. I'm definitely starting to lean towards keeping factory M16s in their original state, even though tacticooling them would be reversible. You know how you see a 60s musclecar with some blingy wheels on it and it just doesn't quite seem proper? Even though it might look nicer than the dog dish hubcaps the car came with, it seems out of place. I guess I'm starting to see the factory M16s as historical artifacts. Yes and no. Some stuff I'd leave as factory. But even my minty M16A1 gov property marked that doesn't look to have been shot more then 100rds I've got the DOE parts for the 9mm that the gun was meant to have. I haven't tapco fucked it by any means, but it sure does look sexy in the 9mm DOE set up. Just because, well, because.   
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ugh turned down a minty 1985-1986 vintage AR15-A2 SP1 conversion in carbine config for $9500 3 years ago... and at the time the people on this board were telling me it was overpriced by a grand. I was holding out for a Sendra or Colt M16 for a few thousand more that never materialized. On the SP1, the big hole is offset and I hear all sorts of issues using adapters. If I had known these existed at the time, I would have bought it: https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html M60 Joe supposedly does a nice permanent conversion, but I figure after labor and shipping, it would be pretty close to a nice Sendra. But $15k for a SP1 is insane. Can't you get an RDIAS for $20k? At that point you might as well pay the extra $5k. I haven't seen any RDIAS's come up for sale. I sold mine for a tad over $22k about a year ago. So YMMV. And M60joe does do a great job on converting the large hole lowers, he did mine, with the refinish and return shipping it was only like $400~. Well worth it in my book. |
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Nope. I wouldn't even if it was a factory colt full auto. Run what you want. But it being a conversion, there is no historical value to the gun, so run what you want and be happy. I'm definitely starting to lean towards keeping factory M16s in their original state, even though tacticooling them would be reversible. You know how you see a 60s musclecar with some blingy wheels on it and it just doesn't quite seem proper? Even though it might look nicer than the dog dish hubcaps the car came with, it seems out of place. I guess I'm starting to see the factory M16s as historical artifacts. Yes and no. Some stuff I'd leave as factory. But even my minty M16A1 gov property marked that doesn't look to have been shot more then 100rds I've got the DOE parts for the 9mm that the gun was meant to have. I haven't tapco fucked it by any means, but it sure does look sexy in the 9mm DOE set up. Just because, well, because.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/IMG_09924.jpg Looks good to me. I need to pick up some "ammo burning" gear and I'm leaning towards configurations that would more or less match the rollmarks on the lower. |
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ugh turned down a minty 1985-1986 vintage AR15-A2 SP1 conversion in carbine config for $9500 3 years ago... and at the time the people on this board were telling me it was overpriced by a grand. I was holding out for a Sendra or Colt M16 for a few thousand more that never materialized. On the SP1, the big hole is offset and I hear all sorts of issues using adapters. If I had known these existed at the time, I would have bought it: https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html M60 Joe supposedly does a nice permanent conversion, but I figure after labor and shipping, it would be pretty close to a nice Sendra. But $15k for a SP1 is insane. Can't you get an RDIAS for $20k? At that point you might as well pay the extra $5k. I haven't seen any RDIAS's come up for sale. I sold mine for a tad over $22k about a year ago. So YMMV. And M60joe does do a great job on converting the large hole lowers, he did mine, with the refinish and return shipping it was only like $400~. Well worth it in my book. Good to have known. I have been kicking myself that I didn't that buy that one or an Oly that later surfaced for also the same price of $9500. Now that I know it was only $400 for the big hole conversion, I can just kick myself for not buying the Colt SP1. |
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ugh turned down a minty 1985-1986 vintage AR15-A2 SP1 conversion in carbine config for $9500 3 years ago... and at the time the people on this board were telling me it was overpriced by a grand. I was holding out for a Sendra or Colt M16 for a few thousand more that never materialized. On the SP1, the big hole is offset and I hear all sorts of issues using adapters. If I had known these existed at the time, I would have bought it: https://danieldefense.com/big-hole-upper-receiver-assembly-b.html M60 Joe supposedly does a nice permanent conversion, but I figure after labor and shipping, it would be pretty close to a nice Sendra. But $15k for a SP1 is insane. Can't you get an RDIAS for $20k? At that point you might as well pay the extra $5k. I haven't seen any RDIAS's come up for sale. I sold mine for a tad over $22k about a year ago. So YMMV. And M60joe does do a great job on converting the large hole lowers, he did mine, with the refinish and return shipping it was only like $400~. Well worth it in my book. Good to have known. I have been kicking myself that I didn't that buy that one or an Oly that later surfaced for also the same price of $9500. Now that I know it was only $400 for the big hole conversion, I can just kick myself for not buying the Colt SP1. Its never a bad price to buy an MG. Just too late. |
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It seems to me that if you're dealing with a plain jane used M16, you pretty much have carte blanche to customize it however you like, as long as it can be undone.
In fact, you'll be doing future collectors a big favor by setting aside the original Colt factory parts and putting all the wear on your new parts. I base the above sentence on my attempt to buy A1 parts for the past 4 months 
On the other hand, I would definitely avoid screwing around with unfired guns, pristine collector items, weird factory variants, that kind of thing. |
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