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Posted: 8/7/2017 4:07:19 PM EDT
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Finding good magazines is the tricky part (as with all carbines, the trick to getting them running well is in the mags).
Buy the XP magazine springs from Wolff and it will really reduce stoppages. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 12:52:19 PM EDT
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Just started a form 4 for a m2 carbine. Any good readings and accessories spare parts to buy? Where can i get a folding stock that'll fit? Should i buy a shorter barrel? Plan on making this a shooter beater. Thanks What is the registered piece? As has been said, buy a bunch of 30rd magazines. |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:20:15 PM EDT
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I think the M2 is a pretty good deal these days except the bullets are expensive and hard to find.
If you reload then.... |
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Posted: 8/10/2017 1:32:18 PM EDT
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Spare parts to get; extractors, springs, plungers, a GI piston nut wrench and a GI bolt disassembly tool.
Mags can be a bitch. I've had good luck with the Korean 30rd mags, also putting 15rd mag followers in 30rd bodies can make finicky mag run much better. Lots of good info at the M1/M2 forum on machinegunboards.com and at the m1carbineforum.com as well. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 11:20:31 AM EDT
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M2s are underrated.
IMO Reg receivers are for collectors. IMO Reg kits are for shooters. Serial number on housing is a improper registration, although legal, they are improper and a gray area for ATF. Kit can be used for .30 carbines, 9mm Iver carbines, 5.7 carbines and even .22LR carbines. Yes I said .22 LR carbines. They can also be used for M1 pistols. 30 round mags are easy to find and come in 4 categories: Stick with choice 1 and 2. 3 will work. 4 you were warned. 1. USGI hard back and split back 2. Taiwan military. APY are acceptable but not as good as Taiwan. 3. Korean commericial 4. JUNK ie promags. Ammo is not expensive. PPU is preferred. Buy on sale and its not expensive. Augila can cause problems with being dirty for full auto feeding. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 2:06:20 PM EDT
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I was interested in transferable M1/M2's, but I read from various sources that the M2's receiver was not intended for sustained fullauto and was prone to failure. How true is this?
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Posted: 11/10/2017 10:26:40 PM EDT
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Serial number on housing is a improper registration, although legal, they are improper and a gray area for ATF. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 11:28:36 PM EDT
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More details on this please. First I've heard this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serial number on housing is a improper registration, although legal, they are improper and a gray area for ATF. In the kit one of the seven parts needs to be serialized. The housing is not one of the identified parts. The housing is not a M2 machine gun part per ATF. Disconnector lever Disconnector 9 spring Selector switch Disconnector plunger Disconnector plunger spring M2 hammer Housings that were serialized and registered VS one of the seven parts are considered improper registrations. Like I said, its a gray area with the ATF. Improper registration does not mean illegal. It just means its not correct. I shy away from kits that have the housing serialized when I see them for sale. Its not worth the potential trouble if ATF was to someday make a decision on improper registrations. Improper registrations are not just isolated to M2 Carbines. There are a few AR-15s and HKs out there that are also improper registrations. Common, proper M2 kit registrations have the serial number on one the following: Disconnector lever Selector switch Disconnector I have yet to see or hear of the M2 hammer being serialized, but it could be. I just haven't come across one yet. The disconnector lever is the most common. The selector switch is the most desirable and can fetch a premium price. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:12:38 PM EDT
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ATF determines 7 parts is the M2 conversion kit. In the kit one of the seven parts needs to be serialized. The housing is not one of the identified parts. The housing is not a M2 machine gun part per ATF. Disconnector lever Disconnector 9 spring Selector switch Disconnector plunger Disconnector plunger spring M2 hammer Housings that were serialized and registered VS one of the seven parts are considered improper registrations. Like I said, its a gray area with the ATF. Improper registration does not mean illegal. It just means its not correct. I shy away from kits that have the housing serialized when I see them for sale. Its not worth the potential trouble if ATF was to someday make a decision on improper registrations. Improper registrations are not just isolated to M2 Carbines. There are a few AR-15s and HKs out there that are also improper registrations. Common, proper M2 kit registrations have the serial number on one the following: Disconnector lever Selector switch Disconnector I have yet to see or hear of the M2 hammer being serialized, but it could be. I just haven't come across one yet. The disconnector lever is the most common. The selector switch is the most desirable and can fetch a premium price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Serial number on housing is a improper registration, although legal, they are improper and a gray area for ATF. In the kit one of the seven parts needs to be serialized. The housing is not one of the identified parts. The housing is not a M2 machine gun part per ATF. Disconnector lever Disconnector 9 spring Selector switch Disconnector plunger Disconnector plunger spring M2 hammer Housings that were serialized and registered VS one of the seven parts are considered improper registrations. Like I said, its a gray area with the ATF. Improper registration does not mean illegal. It just means its not correct. I shy away from kits that have the housing serialized when I see them for sale. Its not worth the potential trouble if ATF was to someday make a decision on improper registrations. Improper registrations are not just isolated to M2 Carbines. There are a few AR-15s and HKs out there that are also improper registrations. Common, proper M2 kit registrations have the serial number on one the following: Disconnector lever Selector switch Disconnector I have yet to see or hear of the M2 hammer being serialized, but it could be. I just haven't come across one yet. The disconnector lever is the most common. The selector switch is the most desirable and can fetch a premium price. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 11:11:46 PM EDT
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ATF determines 7 parts is the M2 conversion kit. .......... The disconnector lever is the most common. The selector switch is the most desirable and can fetch a premium price. Is there room for the Manufacturer, City, State? Model and caliber? Was all that info required back when they were made? Do those parts even have enough space for all of it? |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 11:19:48 AM EDT
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Interesting. What info is engraved in addition to the serial number? Is there room for the Manufacturer, City, State? Model and caliber? Was all that info required back when they were made? Do those parts even have enough space for all of it? On the small parts it is just the sn I assume. I have never seen one of the small parts in person. I assume because sn only was allowed on FNC sears and HK sears due to the small size. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:28:11 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, the trip lever is one of the more failure-prone components of the M2 carbine, although I’m sure they’re easy to repair. Of the seven listed M2 carbine select-fire parts, it is the one with the most “real estate” for engraving the NFA manufacturer’s info.
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Posted: 11/15/2017 1:43:36 PM EDT
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Hornady still makes the 30 cal 110gr FMJ. Plenty of bullets.
A local shop has sold several 30 M1 Carbine 650 conversion kits and 550 kits too they said. |
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Posted: 11/15/2017 5:12:53 PM EDT
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Hornady still makes the 30 cal 110gr FMJ. Plenty of bullets. A local shop has sold several 30 M1 Carbine 650 conversion kits and 550 kits too they said. A transferable kit will usually be more than $6,000, carbine not included and subject to NFA. |
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Posted: 11/15/2017 11:47:33 PM EDT
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What on earth are you talking about 650, 550 conversion kits? What is that? A transferable kit will usually be more than $6,000, carbine not included and subject to NFA. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 12:47:30 AM EDT
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So picked it up. The mag it came with was a POS and could not feed more than the first round. I spread apart the feed lips on the right side and now it runs flawless. As in did 3 mag dumps no problem.
I really have no idea what to think of this gun. My form 4 says "Unknown" for manufacturer, but lists it as M2 carbine and machine gun, not machine gun sear or anything like that. The receiver has Inland stamped on it, along with the barrel, but there's NOWHERE on the receiver that says M1 or M2. I'd really like to get some history on this gun and figure out it if its an original factory machine gun or hobbled together after the fact. I'm guessing since manufacturer is unknown its old enough that ATF records don't go back far enough for it. Either way, it runs great, got it for a good cheap price, and will definitely be a range toy and not babied in the safe. But holy crap, does the muzzle climb on full auto. I guess Hk's and m4s have spoiled me. 
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Posted: 5/11/2018 6:42:20 AM EDT
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So picked it up. The mag it came with was a POS and could not feed more than the first round. I spread apart the feed lips on the right side and now it runs flawless. As in did 3 mag dumps no problem. I really have no idea what to think of this gun. My form 4 says "Unknown" for manufacturer, but lists it as M2 carbine and machine gun, not machine gun sear or anything like that. The receiver has Inland stamped on it, along with the barrel, but there's NOWHERE on the receiver that says M1 or M2. I'd really like to get some history on this gun and figure out it if its an original factory machine gun or hobbled together after the fact. I'm guessing since manufacturer is unknown its old enough that ATF records don't go back far enough for it. Either way, it runs great, got it for a good cheap price, and will definitely be a range toy and not babied in the safe. But holy crap, does the muzzle climb on full auto. I guess Hk's and m4s have spoiled me. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 2:56:35 PM EDT
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So picked it up. The mag it came with was a POS and could not feed more than the first round. I spread apart the feed lips on the right side and now it runs flawless. As in did 3 mag dumps no problem. I really have no idea what to think of this gun. My form 4 says "Unknown" for manufacturer, but lists it as M2 carbine and machine gun, not machine gun sear or anything like that. The receiver has Inland stamped on it, along with the barrel, but there's NOWHERE on the receiver that says M1 or M2. I'd really like to get some history on this gun and figure out it if its an original factory machine gun or hobbled together after the fact. I'm guessing since manufacturer is unknown its old enough that ATF records don't go back far enough for it. Either way, it runs great, got it for a good cheap price, and will definitely be a range toy and not babied in the safe. But holy crap, does the muzzle climb on full auto. I guess Hk's and m4s have spoiled me. Second, file an FOIA request with BATFE. I did that on my pre-WWII Reising and they sent me a photocopy of the Form 5 from H&R to the Pittsburgh, Pa., PD approved on Dec. 8, 1941 (the day after Pearl Harbor). So ATF's records from the early days are pretty good. The M2 Carbine was not introduced until 10/26/1944; many of them were given by .gov after the war to state and local LE and that is where many/most of the transferables comes from. If yours is a converted M1 it was done after the war ended, since few M1s were in civilian hands prior to that. Bottom line is there's a good chance ATF will have at least some info on yours. HTH. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 3:13:48 PM EDT
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First, what is engraved under the rear sight? That's where the "M1" or "M2" is usually engraved on the rear of the receiver. |
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Posted: 5/11/2018 3:42:44 PM EDT
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Manufacturer and serial are under the rear sight. This example was made by the Inland Division of GM. 
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Posted: 5/11/2018 10:29:10 PM EDT
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Thank you guys, I stand corrected on that one.
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:40:11 PM EDT
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Well ill be damned. Thr markings were faint as hell but it says 30 cal m1.
Although the paperwork says m2. Not sure what to do now. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 8:49:05 PM EDT
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Does the paperwork have the serial number of the receiver? Is that number found on any of the M2-specific conversion parts?
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Posted: 5/12/2018 9:11:29 PM EDT
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Well ill be damned. Thr markings were faint as hell but it says 30 cal m1. Although the paperwork says m2. Not sure what to do now. If the SN on the form 4 doesnt match the receiver, look for the SN electro penciled on the other 2 mentioned parts. |
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Posted: 5/12/2018 10:40:14 PM EDT
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Ill check it out tomorrow when I get a spare moment. Yea, I kinda bought this on a let it ride moment...
I normally do the hell out of my research on ARs, HK sears, and other more modern MGs, but didn't know diddly about the ole m2 carbines. I bought it for just north of 6k less than a year ago so I think I did alright; I'm sure Ill get my moneys worth out of it. Im just happy the thing ran without a single feed or ejection problem.
Pretty sure its a registered receiver but once I figure out how to disassemble it Ill check for numbers around the guts. If its a simple registered GI gun, will there be any serial numbers at all besides the receiver and the barrel? IIRC, it was advertised as matching barrel and receiver. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 9:40:05 AM EDT
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The only SN would be on the receiver. There is no such a thing as a "matching" barrel and receiver in any verifiable sense of the phrase.
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Posted: 5/13/2018 1:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: but lists it as M2 carbine and machine gun, not machine gun sear or anything like that. I often wonder how may people electro penciled a registered receiver SN onto a housing or transfer bar, and then threw away the receiver. No one would ever know. |
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Posted: 5/13/2018 10:17:55 PM EDT
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The form 4 says "unknown" and not other for manufacturer.. Thats the fun part
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Posted: 5/17/2018 6:59:36 AM EDT
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If you are going to reload for that M1/M2 be sure to TRIM those .30 carbine cases. Slows things down for volume but will prevent later issues.
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