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2/21/2008 7:22:34 PM EDT
I want to get a Krink SBR sometime, but in Michigan, they are illegal. Is there a way I can get around this by doing Form 1 into a SBR in MI thru a LLC or a trust? Or am i just plain screwed?

2/21/2008 7:34:29 PM EDT
[#1]
pcs
2/21/2008 7:36:19 PM EDT
[#2]
sorry, not up with all the lingo on that. what is pcs?
2/21/2008 7:42:24 PM EDT
[#3]
you're screwed.


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sorry, not up with all the lingo on that. what is pcs?


what army were you in... pcs = permanent change of station
2/21/2008 7:45:11 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
you're screwed.


Quoted:
sorry, not up with all the lingo on that. what is pcs?


what army were you in... pcs = permanent change of station


He's retired...

There is no military in Michigan besides the Guard...
2/21/2008 7:51:17 PM EDT
[#5]
yeah, i know. it was a play on words. pcs = move. i thought he'd get it.

he's still screwed though
2/21/2008 10:08:55 PM EDT
[#6]
I'm not sure he's screwed.  As I understand it, you can get an SBR in Michigan if you have a C&R.  Check out the hometown board...I'm sure those guys know all about it.
2/22/2008 12:24:05 AM EDT
[#7]

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I'm not sure he's screwed.  As I understand it, you can get an SBR in Michigan if you have a C&R.  Check out the hometown board...I'm sure those guys know all about it.



The gun would probably have to be C&R then?

If the state bans an SBR and theres no defense with NFA registration, I bet you can't do it unless your an FFL holder as a business.

From NRAILA.ORG


NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT FIREARMS
It is unlawful to sell, offer for sale, possess or manufacture any machine gun “which shoots or is designed to shoot automatically more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger.”
Exceptions are for manufacturers with government contracts and any person duly licensed to manufacture, sell, or possess any machine gun by federal law



I couldn't find anything else on SBR's.
2/22/2008 4:46:34 AM EDT
[#8]
I suppose you could build one with a side folding stock welded closed and call it a handgun.
2/22/2008 8:47:23 AM EDT
[#9]

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I'm not sure he's screwed.  As I understand it, you can get an SBR in Michigan if you have a C&R.  Check out the hometown board...I'm sure those guys know all about it.

Recently, some of the MI guys have reported having their Form 1's approved to SBR or SBS a gun that is a C&R.  I think the two I saw posted were a 50+ year-old Rem. 870, and some commemorative 10/22 that's on the list.  

Good luck finding a C&R AK to chop.
2/22/2008 2:34:19 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I'm not sure he's screwed.  As I understand it, you can get an SBR in Michigan if you have a C&R.  Check out the hometown board...I'm sure those guys know all about it.


The SBR has to be C&R.  Not sure if you have to be a C&R holder as well.

Apparently MI is also okay if you SBR a C&R gun- at least this was reported over on TFL.

FYI, this also holds true for SBS.  Funny enough, MGs can be non-C&R though.

Mike
2/24/2008 1:29:36 PM EDT
[#11]
Again, I could be wrong, the only time I was in MI was when we drove cross-country through there when I was a kid, but I thought you just needed a C&R, the SBR did not have to be C&R eligible.
2/24/2008 3:24:42 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'm not sure he's screwed.  As I understand it, you can get an SBR in Michigan if you have a C&R.  Check out the hometown board...I'm sure those guys know all about it.


The SBR has to be C&R.  Not sure if you have to be a C&R holder as well.

Apparently MI is also okay if you SBR a C&R gun- at least this was reported over on TFL.

FYI, this also holds true for SBS.  Funny enough, MGs can be non-C&R though.

Mike


There may have been a few form 1's approved, but I'd be very careful if I was you...  A C&R cannot be altered from it's original configuration and still qualify as a C&R.

In other words... you cannot "sporterize" an old German Mauser by adding a fancy McMillan stock and still call it a C&R.
2/24/2008 5:18:20 PM EDT
[#13]

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There may have been a few form 1's approved, but I'd be very careful if I was you...  A C&R cannot be altered from it's original configuration and still qualify as a C&R.

In other words... you cannot "sporterize" an old German Mauser by adding a fancy McMillan stock and still call it a C&R.

Yes you can.  I'm too lazy to look up the definition right now, but one definition is that the gun has to be 50+ years old.  

There are other definitions that include certain guns in their original configuration, but anything over 50 years old qualifies.  There is no mention of "50 yrs. + original config". It's 50 yrs. or ... other definitions.  Not 50 yrs. and ... other qualifiers.

Look it up.
2/24/2008 5:39:06 PM EDT
[#14]
As set out in the regulations (27 CFR 178.11), curios and relics includes firearms which are of special interst to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

It then goes on to disuss the 50 year rule and a couple of other special reasons why a certain firearm may be a C&R.

Many people think that altering a C&R from it's original configuration does 2 things.... 1) it ruins its collectibility, or 2) makes it for sporting or offensive/defensive use.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong... just saying that I'd be very careful before SBRing a C&R in Michigan.

I'd hate to lose a gun because some over zealous beaurocrat decided my SBR was no longer a C&R.
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