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Posted: 8/13/2016 12:38:14 PM EDT
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I was referenced to this newsletter when asking about M-18's being classified as Explosive Devices.
JUNE 2013 ATF EXPLOSIVE INDUSTRY NEWSLETTER I know there are several opinions, but, this is a cite able REFERENCE. Has there been anything SINCE that has clarified the issue of SMOKE GRENADES ? I see alot of smokes for sale, but reading the newsletter kinda says they should be handled otherwise! ~Will Excerpt: Smoke Producing Devices
ATF has recently been asked if smoke producing devices are regulated under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and 27 CFR, Part 555. Smoke producing devices can be divided into two categories: smoke bombs and smoke grenades (canisters). These devices consist of a fuse/fuze and a smoke composition. Smoke bombs generally come in two forms, a smoke ball or a smoke candle. A smoke ball is a hollow, cherrysized sphere of brightly colored clay or cardboard filled with a smoke-generating composition that produces a forceful jet of colored smoke for several seconds. A smoke candle (also called a smoke generator or smoke canister) is a cylindrical cardboard tube, usually 1.5" in diameter and several inches long and resembling a large firecracker, with a fuse. Such a device creates a thick cloud of smoke for up to several minutes. Uses include providing smoke for sewer inflow leak detection, fire-fighter training, special effects, HVAC testing, truck and trailer leak detection, smoke-screens for paintball games, and a variety of other air flow visualization and leak detection applications. Smoke bombs are typically initiated with an external fuse. Generally speaking, smoke bombs do not meet the exemption under 27 CFR 555.141(a)(7) because they do not meet the appropriate U.S. Department of Transportation UN classification, or because of their intended use. A determination would be required to establish if a specific smoke producing device meets the exemption. Smoke grenades (canisters) are devices that release smoke when a pin is pulled. They are used by military personnel for signaling or as a screening device for troop movements as well as for law enforcement operations. Smoke grenades generally emit a far larger amount of smoke than smoke bombs. Also, smoke grenades typically contain a fuze, which is not to be confused with the fuse used in smoke bombs. Both fuses and fuzes contain a low explosive, such as black powder, smokeless powder, or pyrotechnic composition. When installed, fuses are generally visible from the exterior of the device, while fuzes are contained within the device and often cannot be seen. Fuses are initiated by the direct application of flame or electricity, while fuzes are initiated through an external action or stimulus, such as direct impact, friction, or complex mechanical (and sometimes electronic) processes. Fuses are often used within the fireworks industry, while fuzes are used in devices such as large explosive ammunition or grenades. Additionally, a smoke composition is designed primarily to generate smoke. The composition is often based on an oxidizer (e.g. potassium chlorate, potassium nitrate, or potassium perchlorate), a fuel (e.g. lactose or sugar), an optional coolant (e.g. sodium bicarbonate), and one or more dyes. Some smoke compositions are considered pyrotechnic compositions. Requests for classification determinations should be directed to the Explosives Industry Programs Branch. Please be aware that any smoke producing device that contains explosive materials is a regulated item subject to the laws at 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and regulations at 27 CFR, Part 555. Certain explosive devices, such as devices for signaling in emergency or distress situations, may be exempted per 27 CFR 555.32 as Special Explosive Devices. Requests to exempt a specific product or device from the Federal explosives regulations contained at 27 CFR, Part 555, should be accompanied by a full description of the product or device and its intended use. Information should include the types and amounts (net explosive weights) of explosives contained in the completed device; photographs, diagrams and/or schematics of the completed device; material safety data sheets, and the Department of Transportation classification. |
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Well it's certainly not a DD so it doesn't need registered as a NFA item.
As far as it being and explosive device I don't see in the letter which says that smoke grenades are illegal. Also this letter seems to be more directed at industry and the Manufacturer's or the smoke grenades. Like your other posts this is another example of the ATF over stepping their bounds while they can't make smoke grenandes illegal they're doing everything they can to make it sound like they are and to scare people from buying/building them. |
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Hey Bro! I have heard of the M201a1 fuze being seized... Not to me, but seized by an ATF friend. WiLL Quoted:
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Hi buddy. I haven't seen anything. Nor have I heard any new case law on the subject. Hey Bro! I have heard of the M201a1 fuze being seized... Not to me, but seized by an ATF friend. WiLL If your ATF thug friend is seizing them, then you've already found the answer to your own question, they must be explosive devices. Or it could be just another case of an ATF thug using intimidation to take others property, without any basis of law to justify it. |
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If your ATF thug friend is seizing them, then you've already found the answer to your own question, they must be explosive devices. Or it could be just another case of an ATF thug using intimidation to take others property, without any basis of law to justify it. Quoted:
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Hi buddy. I haven't seen anything. Nor have I heard any new case law on the subject. Hey Bro! I have heard of the M201a1 fuze being seized... Not to me, but seized by an ATF friend. WiLL If your ATF thug friend is seizing them, then you've already found the answer to your own question, they must be explosive devices. Or it could be just another case of an ATF thug using intimidation to take others property, without any basis of law to justify it. There are plenty of OTHER manners in which property can be "seized". For instance STOLEN MILITARY PROPERTY. Another is ACTUALLY USING THE M201a1 FUZE SYSTEM IN AN IED (home made grenade, well, attempt...) They were seized from the decedents 'estate' along with other items that had been 'modified' & posed a hazard to the public. Awesome for you to jump on my friend with a 'thug' label 'cause he WORKS for the ATF. I understand your frustration though, I don't care for the ATF as a GOV entity, and some of their folks are CLUELESS when it comes to Firearms & Explosives. Anywho, the thread is about EDUCATION and LEARNING - has anyone heard of ANY other examples of the above newsletter or other interpretations? Will |
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I agree Will.
I was one of those who had M201a1's seized and OOW made it right. For whatever reason they got out improperly and shouldn't have been sold. I enjoy cool stuff as much as the next guy but NONE of my toys are worth throwing a fit over if it's not 100% correct. I too know some ATF people and they have been stand up guys to me. YMMV |
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Latest ATF Explosive newsletter released:
BATFE Annual Explosive List 2015 Annual List of Explosive Materials
Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 841(d) and 27 CFR § 555.23, the Department of Justice must publish and revise at least annually in the Federal Register a list of explosives determined to be within the coverage of 18 U.S.C. § 841 et seq. ATF updated the list of explosives in 2013 when it added the term, ‘‘Black powder substitutes’’. The addition of this term expanded the list to include any materials not already covered under their chemical, mixture or common names, but placed this common general term on the list to clarify that these materials are explosives. In 2014, ATF added the term, ‘‘Pyrotechnic fuses’’ to clarify that ‘‘pyrotechnic fuses’’ (e.g., black match, ignition fuse, quick match) that are not otherwise exempt as a component of ammunition or as black powder articles intended for the sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms or devices, are regulated explosive materials regardless of their size or specific energetic composition. The addition of this term did not expand the list to include any materials not already covered under other names. ATF generally classifies pyrotechnic fuse as low explosives subject to the Federal explosives laws and implementing explosives regulations at 27 CFR Part 555—Commerce in Explosives and the U.S. Department of Transportation classifies them as Class 1 explosives. ATF has made no changes to the list of explosive materials in 2015. The list includes all mixtures containing any of the materials on the list. Materials constituting blasting agents are marked by an asterisk. While the list is comprehensive, it is not all-inclusive. The fact that an explosive material is not on the list does not mean that it is not within the coverage of the law if it otherwise meets the statutory definitions in 18 U.S.C. § 841. Explosive materials are listed alphabetically by their common names followed, where applicable, by chemical names and synonyms in brackets. [List Truncated - go to link above for alphabetical listing] |
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Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 841(d) and 27 CFR § 555.23, the Department of Justice must publish and revise at least annually in the Federal Register a list of explosives determined to be within the coverage of 18 U.S.C. § 841 et seq. ATF updated the list of explosives in 2013 when it added the term, ‘‘Black powder substitutes’’. The addition of this term expanded the list to include any materials not already covered under their chemical, mixture or common names, but placed this common general term on the list to clarify that these materials are explosives. In 2014, ATF added the term, ‘‘Pyrotechnic fuses’’ to clarify that ‘‘pyrotechnic fuses’’ (e.g., black match, ignition fuse, quick match) that are not otherwise exempt as a component of ammunition or as black powder articles intended for the sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms or devices, are regulated explosive materials regardless of their size or specific energetic composition. The addition of this term did not expand the list to include any materials not already covered under other names. ATF generally classifies pyrotechnic fuse as low explosives subject to the Federal explosives laws and implementing explosives regulations at 27 CFR Part 555—Commerce in Explosives and the U.S. Department of Transportation classifies them as Class 1 explosives. ATF has made no changes to the list of explosive materials in 2015. The list includes all mixtures containing any of the materials on the list. Materials constituting blasting agents are marked by an asterisk. While the list is comprehensive, it is not all-inclusive. The fact that an explosive material is not on the list does not mean that it is not within the coverage of the law if it otherwise meets the statutory definitions in 18 U.S.C. § 841. Explosive materials are listed alphabetically by their common names followed, where applicable, by chemical names and synonyms in brackets. |
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