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Posted: 12/3/2012 9:38:23 PM EDT
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I am not quite sure if this fits under the category of DD, but I figured I could get answers.
I came across this RPG when a buddy of mine was settling the estate of a family member. I know little-to-nothing of it, outside of the fact that it has apparently been properly demilled. 
Who made it? How old is it? Do they have any collector value? |
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Soviets made it.
Hell yes they have collector value. That "rocket" looks more like a rifle grenade though. Don't think they go together. Here's a launcher: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/11049779/militaria/militaria-other/russian-rpg-7-inert-rocket-launcher-w-scope |
The rocket is a PG-2 antitank rocket, typically shot from the older RPG-2 launcher of Vietnam era fame...
That RPG-7 is made in Bulgaria (Circle 10). All it needs now is a rangefinding scope unit... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319101743 And maybe an inert PG-7V rocket... 
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| Judging from the heatshield and grip colors along with the trigger group markings it is in fact bulgarian. The PG-2 rocket/grenade, if you do buy them I would be interested in trading a PG-7 rocket for it. As far as price goes, Numrich has them for $1000 currently, before they brought them in the launchers were selling in the 1500-3000 dollar range. McM |
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$966.95 for a numrich RPG
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315094767 Subcal rockets but these are stupid expensive http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319542103 do you have to register it as a DD to be able to fire the 7.62x39 sub cals? |
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$966.95 for a numrich RPG http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315094767 Subcal rockets but these are stupid expensive http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319542103 do you have to register it as a DD to be able to fire the 7.62x39 sub cals? The tubes have a bar welded in them to prevent insertion of a rocket and motor. The subcal kits are shorter than a normal rocket and they also do not have a motor on the back, in some of the demiled guns the bar is welded far enough back you can insert a subcal and it will work fine. I dont think those inert tubes will fire a subcal kit, and the subcal kits listed there are about $100 more than I've seen them go for in the past. I long considered getting a demil tube and subcal kit to add to my collection, I would love to take new shooters out with it and let them pop off tannerite. The thought of paying out around $2k for what is essentially a single shot 7.62x39 rifle is what gives me pause. |
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$966.95 for a numrich RPG http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315094767 Subcal rockets but these are stupid expensive http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=319542103 do you have to register it as a DD to be able to fire the 7.62x39 sub cals? The tubes have a bar welded in them to prevent insertion of a rocket and motor. The subcal kits are shorter than a normal rocket and they also do not have a motor on the back, in some of the demiled guns the bar is welded far enough back you can insert a subcal and it will work fine. I dont think those inert tubes will fire a subcal kit, and the subcal kits listed there are about $100 more than I've seen them go for in the past. I long considered getting a demil tube and subcal kit to add to my collection, I would love to take new shooters out with it and let them pop off tannerite. The thought of paying out around $2k for what is essentially a single shot 7.62x39 rifle is what gives me pause. "Pause," to say the least. Not quite sure what I'm going to do with it. |
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The sub cal rockets are the exact same size as the regular projectiles... and while they have a fake 'launch' motor, on the one I had, you didn't have to install it to use the sub cal.
The problem is that most people, as a part of the 'demil' process, remove the firing pin and weld the rod through the firing pin hole. Even without the launch motor, the rocket cannot be fully inserted because it hits the pin. You cannot use the sub cal because you have no firing pin. So, if your bore has been pinned aft of the firing pin, you might be able to use a sub cal. Otherwise, you'll need to drop a form 1 for a DD and do some reconstructive surgery. |
| Hopefully someone who knows can tell you if This is the appropriate round for your launcher |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Makes sense i didnt think the base looked right....then again ive never seen one outside of photos |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Actually looks like the PG-9 round configured for use in a BMP, not SPG-9 launcher. They can be configured both ways, but the SPG-9 configuration has a larger motor on the end. |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Actually looks like the PG-9 round configured for use in a BMP, not SPG-9 launcher. They can be configured both ways, but the SPG-9 configuration has a larger motor on the end. Could be the SPG and 2A20 use the same projectile just different initial boosters |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Actually looks like the PG-9 round configured for use in a BMP, not SPG-9 launcher. They can be configured both ways, but the SPG-9 configuration has a larger motor on the end. Could be the SPG and 2A20 2A28 use the same projectile just different initial boosters They do use different initial boosters. SPG-9 booster: Link (This is a PG-9 anti-tank warhead and booster.) Link 2 (This looks different than the one posted because it is an HE-FRAG round instead of a HEAT round. This is an anti-personnel round vs. the anti-vehicle round that was being asked about earlier. However, the booster motor is the same regardless of the warhead.) 2A28 booster: Link (It is actually in ammo stowage in a BMP-1 turret showing the shorter booster motor.) The Armaco website I got the first two links from is actually pretty neat. Never seen a site like it before. Quoted:
It is a SPG-9 round. They are not the same.... They are the same round. The SPG-9 and BMP-1 both fire the 73mm PG-9 round. (Link) The 2A28 'Grom' smoothbore gun fires the same projectiles as the SPG-9 infantry light recoilless gun but with a smaller propellant charge.
Here is an image of the round in question in a BMP-1 ammo stowage area: (Link) Trust me, I took a course on the RPG and SPG family of weapons. This is in the field of work I do for a living. And now for the OP, here is an inert PG-7 warhead that would go nicely with your RPG-7 launcher; however, it is ~$400 for the inert warhead and I don't know if they'll come back in stock. |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Actually looks like the PG-9 round configured for use in a BMP, not SPG-9 launcher. They can be configured both ways, but the SPG-9 configuration has a larger motor on the end. Could be the SPG and 2A20 2A28 use the same projectile just different initial boosters They do use different initial boosters. SPG-9 booster: Link (This is a PG-9 anti-tank warhead and booster.) Link 2 (This looks different than the one posted because it is an HE-FRAG round instead of a HEAT round. This is an anti-personnel round vs. the anti-vehicle round that was being asked about earlier. However, the booster motor is the same regardless of the warhead.) 2A28 booster: Link (It is actually in ammo stowage in a BMP-1 turret showing the shorter booster motor.) The Armaco website I got the first two links from is actually pretty neat. Never seen a site like it before. Quoted:
It is a SPG-9 round. They are not the same.... They are the same round. The SPG-9 and BMP-1 both fire the 73mm PG-9 round. (Link) The 2A28 'Grom' smoothbore gun fires the same projectiles as the SPG-9 infantry light recoilless gun but with a smaller propellant charge.
Here is an image of the round in question in a BMP-1 ammo stowage area: (Link) Trust me, I took a course on the RPG and SPG family of weapons. This is in the field of work I do for a living. And now for the OP, here is an inert PG-7 warhead that would go nicely with your RPG-7 launcher; however, it is ~$400 for the inert warhead and I don't know if they'll come back in stock. Fascinating. Thank you. |
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Pretty sure that is a round for a SPG-9, and is miss marked as an RPG-9 Actually looks like the PG-9 round configured for use in a BMP, not SPG-9 launcher. They can be configured both ways, but the SPG-9 configuration has a larger motor on the end. Could be the SPG and 2A20 2A28 use the same projectile just different initial boosters They do use different initial boosters. SPG-9 booster: Link (This is a PG-9 anti-tank warhead and booster.) Link 2 (This looks different than the one posted because it is an HE-FRAG round instead of a HEAT round. This is an anti-personnel round vs. the anti-vehicle round that was being asked about earlier. However, the booster motor is the same regardless of the warhead.) 2A28 booster: Link (It is actually in ammo stowage in a BMP-1 turret showing the shorter booster motor.) The Armaco website I got the first two links from is actually pretty neat. Never seen a site like it before. Quoted:
It is a SPG-9 round. They are not the same.... They are the same round. The SPG-9 and BMP-1 both fire the 73mm PG-9 round. (Link) The 2A28 'Grom' smoothbore gun fires the same projectiles as the SPG-9 infantry light recoilless gun but with a smaller propellant charge.
Here is an image of the round in question in a BMP-1 ammo stowage area: (Link) Trust me, I took a course on the RPG and SPG family of weapons. This is in the field of work I do for a living. And now for the OP, here is an inert PG-7 warhead that would go nicely with your RPG-7 launcher; however, it is ~$400 for the inert warhead and I don't know if they'll come back in stock. The Dep of Army Operators Manual for the BMP lists it under both nomeclatures. I can send a copy to you if would like it |
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Could be the SPG and 2A20 2A28 use the same projectile just different initial boosters Snip. The Dep of Army Operators Manual for the BMP lists it under both nomeclatures. I can send a copy to you if would like it The 2A20 is the 115mm smootbore gun on the T-62 main battle tank. To my knowledge it was never mounted on a BMP (likely too large and too much recoil), and it doesn't fire a 73mm PG-9 round. ETA: Further research indicates the BMP-1's has also been called the 2A20. I stand corrected. Now I'm confused as it seems multiple guns, in different calibers, have the same name. |
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