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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: @Green0 I'd probably do a taper-5 over a hub-5 to compliment the dual-lok cans. If you guys go that route I call dibs on serial number 1. View Quote Wouldn’t a taper mount DL5 be an Explorr taper mount? And a taper mount HRT would essentially be a Recce. I don’t see a need for HUB-compatible DL5/7 because the Explorr utility mount exists. Am I not understanding what you’re asking for? |
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Originally Posted By Luny421: Wouldn’t a taper mount DL5 be an Explorr taper mount? And a taper mount HRT would essentially be a Recce. I don’t see a need for HUB-compatible DL5/7 because the Explorr utility mount exists. Am I not understanding what you’re asking for? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Luny421: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: @Green0 I'd probably do a taper-5 over a hub-5 to compliment the dual-lok cans. If you guys go that route I call dibs on serial number 1. Wouldn’t a taper mount DL5 be an Explorr taper mount? And a taper mount HRT would essentially be a Recce. I don’t see a need for HUB-compatible DL5/7 because the Explorr utility mount exists. Am I not understanding what you’re asking for? No. Dual-lok are high(er) flow and the explorr behaves more like the hrt design. That's why both the dual-lok and hrt exist-they look similar but are internally very different |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: No. Dual-lok are high(er) flow and the explorr behaves more like the hrt design. That's why both the dual-lok and hrt exist-they look similar but are internally very different View Quote Gotcha. I’ve got an EU2 pending, planning on an EU3 when I can catch the right price. The Recce 5k is intriguing to me. It’s heavier than I would typically like for its size, but for some reason I really want one. |
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Originally Posted By Luny421: Gotcha. I’ve got an EU2 pending, planning on an EU3 when I can catch the right price. The Recce 5k is intriguing to me. It’s heavier than I would typically like for its size, but for some reason I really want one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Luny421: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: No. Dual-lok are high(er) flow and the explorr behaves more like the hrt design. That's why both the dual-lok and hrt exist-they look similar but are internally very different Gotcha. I’ve got an EU2 pending, planning on an EU3 when I can catch the right price. The Recce 5k is intriguing to me. It’s heavier than I would typically like for its size, but for some reason I really want one. Have you had a chance to put some rounds through your explorr yet? |
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“Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.” -Patches O’Houlihan
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Originally Posted By Luny421: I haven’t, my dealer doesn’t have a range. But IHTFP08 let me play with his ET2 a couple of times and I was impressed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Luny421: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Have you had a chance to put some rounds through your explorr yet? I haven’t, my dealer doesn’t have a range. But IHTFP08 let me play with his ET2 a couple of times and I was impressed. They are awesome. I felt a decent performance increase between the last gen and the current ones. |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: @Green0 I'd probably do a taper-5 over a hub-5 to compliment the dual-lok cans. If you guys go that route I call dibs on serial number 1. View Quote The Dual Lock can does have a very different baffle design than what I’m used to seeing on Griffin cans. Intriguing. I’m not going to say I promise I’ll buy one if they make it, but I will say that the reason I haven’t bought one yet is that I don’t want to do another mounting system right now. |
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Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: Does 15.3oz qualify as light? GP-7 Linky View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow: ... to dedicate to my 6.75" MCX .300BO. I want something light weight, so if I can figure out if another Griffin fits the bill, I'll probably go that route. Does 15.3oz qualify as light? GP-7 Linky That's certainly "lighter" than the SIG SRD762QD I'm running now. The can in 18.8oz, and the mount is like 3.5oz. It's a great suppressor, but it's heavy. I was thinking more along the lines of an Explorr direct thread mount. The 6.75" SIG's don't play well with super low back pressure suppressors. I'd love to go titanium, but I'm not sure I'm ready to make that leap quite yet. I wish there were more reviews of the Explorr 30's online. |
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Full disclosure I like aesthetics of the short plan a hub mount on the EU2 more than taper one. I know I know function over form... that's what fueled the 'hub-5' idea.
Point is is would totally buy a taper-5. Even with the 'normal' plan a mount |
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Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Full disclosure I like aesthetics of the short plan a hub mount on the EU2 more than taper one. I know I know function over form... that's what fueled the 'hub-5' idea. Point is is would totally buy a taper-5. Even with the 'normal' plan a mount View Quote Fully agree. The taper mount Explorr looks like the Plan A XL which I’ve never cared for aesthetically. If the taper mount version had the aesthetics of the Plan A Long I’d buy an ET2 and ET3. |
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“Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.” -Patches O’Houlihan
"I don't eff with poorsies." -Mona-Lisa Saperstein |
Originally Posted By Luny421: Fully agree. The taper mount Explorr looks like the Plan A XL which I’ve never cared for aesthetically. If the taper mount version had the aesthetics of the Plan A Long I’d buy an ET2 and ET3. View Quote Agreed...I really like the look of the Plan A long adapter. Even though I bought the UM Explorr, I also picked up the long mount because I really liked the look of it. |
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Originally Posted By Luny421: The Recce 5k is intriguing to me. It's heavier than I would typically like for its size, but for some reason I really want one. View Quote Even comparing the Recce 5 and 5K side by side, it's just a little shorter. |
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I'd strongly consider the explorr 224 instead. the light weight is worth the extra $$$ at no noticeable loss in performance. I love mine.
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That kinda what made me wonder about the Recce 5k. Granted it’s different product lines with different durabilities and usages but the Recce 5k and Explorr are basically the same size. That alone would make me go Explorr.
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Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: That kinda what made me wonder about the Recce 5k. Granted it's different product lines with different durabilities and usages but the Recce 5k and Explorr are basically the same size. That alone would make me go Explorr. View Quote So in theory, the Recces could handle a full auto belt fed, but then would need a long cooldown. You could comfortably shoot the Explorr all day long at a semi-auto pace of doubles and triples for two mags, reload two mags, dump two mags, reload two mags, etc, etc. |
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I’ve got a 5K and Checkmate HD I’m still waiting for approvals on from the black Friday sale. Just need another sale like that and I’d go for an Explorr as well.
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: The Recce 5s have more material so it's a bigger heat sink. It can take more heat before you need to let it cool down. Green0 said the Explorr is fine for a few mag dumps of maybe 120rds-ish before it needs to cool down. On the flip side the Recce will need a longer cool down time and the Explorr will cool down much more rapidly. So in theory, the Recces could handle a full auto belt fed, but then would need a long cooldown. You could comfortably shoot the Explorr all day long at a semi-auto pace of doubles and triples for two mags, reload two mags, dump two mags, reload two mags, etc, etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By dmk0210: Originally Posted By Deadsquiggles: That kinda what made me wonder about the Recce 5k. Granted it's different product lines with different durabilities and usages but the Recce 5k and Explorr are basically the same size. That alone would make me go Explorr. So in theory, the Recces could handle a full auto belt fed, but then would need a long cooldown. You could comfortably shoot the Explorr all day long at a semi-auto pace of doubles and triples for two mags, reload two mags, dump two mags, reload two mags, etc, etc. Yep the Explorr probably glows pretty quick under Nods and thermal. |
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I like the thought of the taper 5. I’d buy one too.
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Originally Posted By Luny421: Fully agree. The taper mount Explorr looks like the Plan A XL which I’ve never cared for aesthetically. If the taper mount version had the aesthetics of the Plan A Long I’d buy an ET2 and ET3. View Quote I hate that the aesthetics bother me so much but I completely agree with you guys here. Considering the Plan A Long adapter is so light I wonder what the weight difference would be for a hypothetical taper mount Explorr with a welded Plan A Long styled rear. |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Goodkat: I hate that the aesthetics bother me so much but I completely agree with you guys here. Considering the Plan A Long adapter is so light I wonder what the weight difference would be for a hypothetical taper mount Explorr with a welded Plan A Long styled rear. View Quote We need @Green0 to do some science |
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“Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.” -Patches O’Houlihan
"I don't eff with poorsies." -Mona-Lisa Saperstein |
I doubt it would take off much weight. It looks like part of the weight difference in the L and regular Plan As is inside the can.
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The Plan A Long does look good, and for those interested it does allow the use of the long flash hiders (2.25” and 2.75”) on the Polonium K
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My Recce 5 (Mod 3…I need to upgrade the stack) is 3/4” longer and 1oz lighter than my AAC Mini-4, and it blows the pants off if it in terms of sound and suppression. I’ve been using it on a 13.9” for the time being but it’s been on everything between 10.5” and 20” 5.56.
I’d definitely buy another one however, the 5oz weight savings with the Explorr224 is appealing |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: I doubt it would take off much weight. It looks like part of the weight difference in the L and regular Plan As is inside the can. View Quote I'm not expecting it to be lighter although that would be nice. My point was more that if a similar enough weight could be achieved despite the different geometry I would greatly prefer those aesthetics. It's questionable whether it would due to the differences in welded vs hub. Plan A Long in the utility Explorer looks great but the extra weight feels bad. |
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Originally Posted By Luny421: We need @Green0 to do some science View Quote The Explorr mount (if you just consider the material relevant to the mount only vs Plan A L) is .47 ounces lighter. So I guess that means we could technically make a lighter Plan A if we did it that way (explorr looking rear interface), the only issue would be that it wouldn't have the spanners for tightening it so people would have to carry a big ass wrench around to have that std HUB spanner functionality, and the part wouldn't look as nice. I guess I was surprised by that answer from Solidworks, because the Plan A L is already pretty light. There is some fairly major gripping utility afforded by the Plan A L though, so maybe that's worth the .47 ounce weight gain? |
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Originally Posted By Green0: The Explorr mount (if you just consider the material relevant to the mount only vs Plan A L) is .47 ounces lighter. So I guess that means we could technically make a lighter Plan A if we did it that way (explorr looking rear interface), the only issue would be that it wouldn't have the spanners for tightening it so people would have to carry a big ass wrench around to have that std HUB spanner functionality, and the part wouldn't look as nice. I guess I was surprised by that answer from Solidworks, because the Plan A L is already pretty light. There is some fairly major gripping utility afforded by the Plan A L though, so maybe that's worth the .47 ounce weight gain? View Quote I'm not sure the weight reduction is worthwhile but the plan a and Plan AL both look cooler than the XL frankly I'm just nitpicking and if this happened whatever mount made the most sense while keeping it as short as possible is cool with me |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Goodkat: What do you guys think, would you take .47oz extra weight for that geometry? Compared to: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/405/2300/IMG_5774__00003.1647873378.jpg View Quote That’s definitely not good looking |
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While the stock Explorr taper mount shape/length is a personal nit-pick for me, I'd keep the shape for one specific reason - it lets you recess your muzzle device and can that little bit further under a rail.
I'd love to show you pictures, but it turns out the SDXC card for the camera I was using is not compatible with the SD slot in my old laptop. Until I get a new reader, No Pics For You! |
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26: That’s definitely not good looking View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bradpierson26: Originally Posted By Mr_Goodkat: What do you guys think, would you take .47oz extra weight for that geometry? Compared to: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/405/2300/IMG_5774__00003.1647873378.jpg That’s definitely not good looking I don't know if I'd go that far... |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Goodkat: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/530/3268/IMG_8991__22737.1666302705.jpg What do you guys think, would you take .47oz extra weight for that geometry? Compared to: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/405/2300/IMG_5774__00003.1647873378.jpg View Quote 100% If I'm choosing between 2 cans with .5oz weight difference and all else being equal, I'm choosing the one that looks best. |
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“Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No, but I do it anyway because it’s sterile and I like the taste.” -Patches O’Houlihan
"I don't eff with poorsies." -Mona-Lisa Saperstein |
Neither concern me. I suspect I’m in the minority, though; style points are a high priority for some of the brands that own a huge chunk of market share.
I see the Explorr as a good example of form following function, like the Recce. That’s a compliment. |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Goodkat: Could you share screenshots? I'm not sure I'm following you 100%. While you're here I'm curious is the functional geometry of the flash hider end cap identical between the Recce 5/7 and Explorr .224/.300? It looks the same aside from being blended on the Recce and a raised hexagon on the Explorr but it's hard to tell for sure. While looking up weights on the Griffin website I was reminded that this image showing the Plan A Long+Explorr combo is on there. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/530/3268/IMG_8991__22737.1666302705.jpg What do you guys think, would you take .47oz extra weight for that geometry? Compared to: https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-lbyqmcyjkm/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/405/2300/IMG_5774__00003.1647873378.jpg View Quote One of the 2 reasons I may get a UM explorr over a TM, is because the TM portion of the TM explorr looks.....unappealing. that plan a L looks way better. But if I was to get a UM, I'd just get the ecco adapter because Titanium |
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I thought about lightening the Recce 5 with that Plan A L geometry, but then you think also about killing the appearance of a Recce 5... At that point maybe the Recce 5 should be tubeless too, if we are trying to make it lighter? But at what point is it no longer a Recce 5? The question mark is indicative of the reality that when you ask yourself these questions, sometimes no clear answers present themselves.
Giving the Explorr a mount that adds weight has similar implications. Decisions on this stuff are hard to make. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: I thought about lightening the Recce 5 with that Plan A L geometry, but then you think also about killing the appearance of a Recce 5... At that point maybe the Recce 5 should be tubeless too, if we are trying to make it lighter? But at what point is it no longer a Recce 5? The question mark is indicative of the reality that when you ask yourself these questions, sometimes no clear answers present themselves. Giving the Explorr a mount that adds weight has similar implications. Decisions on this stuff are hard to make. View Quote The recce should not be tubeless. You leave those beautiful tanks alone! |
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Disclaimer - OP is bad at knowing things, and might catch on fire.
... Every other species kills off their stupid......we cater to them. -- spin-drift Nobody ever called 911&said I just did something smart. -- TheFlynDutchman |
Originally Posted By Green0: I thought about lightening the Recce 5 with that Plan A L geometry, but then you think also about killing the appearance of a Recce 5... At that point maybe the Recce 5 should be tubeless too, if we are trying to make it lighter? But at what point is it no longer a Recce 5? The question mark is indicative of the reality that when you ask yourself these questions, sometimes no clear answers present themselves. Giving the Explorr a mount that adds weight has similar implications. Decisions on this stuff are hard to make. View Quote As far as the Explorr, lightness and aesthetics are concerned, personally my preference is the Explorr Utility Hub version with Ecco's Ti Plan A mount adapter. It's 10.5oz combined and looks great. That said, I have a fixed mount Explorr on my short list for the next free tax stamp promo so I'll have one of each in 5.56 plus a 30 cal Hub version. |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: If you can make the Recce lighter without sacrificing durability, that's a win win. But otherwise that's what the Explorr is for, no? Though I would love to see a Hub version of the Recce 5, especially the 5K. As far as the Explorr, lightness and aesthetics are concerned, personally my preference is the Explorr Utility Hub version with Ecco's Ti Plan A mount adapter. It's 10.5oz combined and looks great. That said, I have a fixed mount Explorr on my short list for the next free tax stamp promo so I'll have one of each in 5.56 plus a 30 cal Hub version. View Quote Even to lose weight is a durability reducer, because the weight is essentially a heat sink. The mount geometry change would be a sweeping appearance change and probably would drop out the identity of the Recce cans. That geometry is high on surface area, but light on weight. I'm not sure it would reduce durability, but that identity crises thing might be bad. |
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Between this thread and all the fast approval time threads (even though I'm a trust) I caved and ordered the last Explorr224 utility mount CA had in stock this morning.
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Originally Posted By captexas: Between this thread and all the fast approval time threads (even though I'm a trust) I caved and ordered the last Explorr224 utility mount CA had in stock this morning. View Quote Good luck with a fast approval! |
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Of 556 cans I'm 2 of 2 in explorr's...
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Having a hard time not pulling the trigger on an HRT. Griffin's mod 4 baffle designs are really that good.
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Any details on the HRT5 revision? Mentioned briefly on Q&A Friday, beefed up baffle and front cap changes?
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO: Having a hard time not pulling the trigger on an HRT. Griffin's mod 4 baffle designs are really that good. View Quote The cans are solid- they outperform Sierra 5's just like we showed in the head to head testing video. <Those were both shown with the only strings fired. We didn't shoot twice to cherry pick anything for either can. There is a second version HRT that is currently government only- not because we want to be dicks or anything like that, but because we haven't quite sold through the first run HRT's and releasing a revision would just be stupid. The other version is an ounce and a half heavier, and it is very different. Like every baffle is different, it doesn't even have the same number of baffles, and it has a newer flash suppressor cap. It was only designed because the group that put the can through 10 cycles of 6 mags back to back full auto on the 11" 416, mentioned that they liked the can, and though the can hadn't failed, but they would prefer a little more durability, so we had the luxury of open manufacturing time and we did like 2 weeks of R&D non stop for them to develop an enhanced durability package involving some number of like 18 prototypes to get to the model we felt was the best of balanced properties. They were also asking for 5% cyclic increase and mentioned they would like shorter length, (I'd like a unicorn that shits rainbow sherbet), and that cyclic increase and shortening while adhearing to a poorly communicated sound reduction specification (that we couldn't actually define completely due to poor lines of communication) was beyond the scope of what we could deliver in 2 weeks at the time also in part hindered by the fact that the sound requirements were being communicated second hand by a military distributor who wasn't really pinning down the details, so we ended the development with a can that caused 11% cyclic increase and performed with the original for sound, and better in flash while being more durable. Two weeks was all we had to work with. A US military unit visited us from Germany and tested a couple cans, among them that can, and went other places and tested other cans, and selected our can (this developed one), so that evidences that in a competitive selection process it can win against other brands when the US Armed Forces is the customer doing the testing, in the current market of options, this year. |
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Is the Recce5 rated for use on larger cased 22 caliber rifles like 22-250, 222 that kind of thing?
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Originally Posted By p230: Is the Recce5 rated for use on larger cased 22 caliber rifles like 22-250, 222 that kind of thing? View Quote Wildcats up to about 90 grains of case powder capacity should be fine. 17-4 is incredibly strong- 2-3 times as strong as other common stainless alloys used in suppressors including inconel, so basically strength isn't a problem. That's part of why people have run the Optimus Micro .22lr cans in the standard direct thread config on 10.5" 5.56mm ar's through carbine training courses without problems. I've never heard of a high temperature application for a wildcat .22 cartridge (AKA there is no belt fed .22 wildcat) so the high temperature properties aren't as relevant for wildcat caliber capability as the lower temperature strength properties which are immensely high. |
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Originally Posted By dmk0210: Same here. I use my Recces on short SBRs (the R5 Mod4 on a 10.5" and the 5K on 11.5 and 12.5"), mostly due to the weight and size. The Explorr goes on 14.5" and longer barreled guns. I love all three cans. View Quote This isn't the best thread for it, but I'd love to hear all about the 5K on a 12.5" and how it compares to other configurations so I can figure out if I want to get one when they come back in stock. I'm getting impatient waiting for Kit Badger's dedicated review, and someone in a recent video (at 9:56) mentioned the 5K is "very gassy" on a 14.5 Colt carbine. I realize that could be in relation to the high-flow suppressors they had on their channel, could be influenced by the particular gun, and he does mention it is a lot better in that regard than his older full-size Recce. A PM is also very welcome if you're willing to discuss this elsewhere. |
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