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Green0 just posted a lot of good info that is worth reading twice. The industry (professionally) has self-reported and verified data twice with both silencer summits with all the standard metrics. Maybe some people just can't look at the data and make their own conclusions so that is why they simp for PEW science, or they like the technobabble, but I don't know. The industry also ate up a lot of the cost of inflation the past few years (as Green0) mentioned. I totally respect not paying social media influencers to make commercials on the product, plus the actual production quality of Griffin and Dead Air videos professionally exceeds the abilities of the paid influencer shills / gun huffers. (*excluding Juicy's vids, I find them informative, fair, and objective- but I'm also not calling him paid shill at all) CAT started cringe, maintained cringe, and I am leery of purchasing any of their products. A friend ordered a can from them, his card was charged a while back and he is unable to get a receipt, word on his can, proof of his order or simply contact anyone there. Say what you want about Griffin, but if you ever have a problem, you can call them, electronically contact them, IM Green0, or simply start a thread about a Dead Air product and they will be there to help you quickly. (Of course, as I post this, Griffin's webpage is being updated) . |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: Green0 just posted a lot of good info that is worth reading twice. The industry (professionally) has self-reported and verified data twice with both silencer summits with all the standard metrics. Maybe some people just can't look at the data and make their own conclusions so that is why they simp for PEW science, or they like the technobabble, but I don't know. The industry also ate up a lot of the cost of inflation the past few years (as Green0) mentioned. I totally respect not paying social media influencers to make commercials on the product, plus the actual production quality of Griffin and Dead Air videos professionally exceeds the abilities of the paid influencer shills / gun huffers. (*excluding Juicy's vids, I find them informative, fair, and objective- but I'm also not calling him paid shill at all) CAT started cringe, maintained cringe, and I am leery of purchasing any of their products. A friend ordered a can from them, his card was charged a while back and he is unable to get a receipt, word on his can, proof of his order or simply contact anyone there. Say what you want about Griffin, but if you ever have a problem, you can call them, electronically contact them, IM Green0, or simply start a thread about a Dead Air product and they will be there to help you quickly. (Of course, as I post this, Griffin's webpage is being updated) . They openly published the spec for their muzzle devices (but not the mount) so somebody there pulled their head out of their cat’s ass for a brief moment. Otherwise when performance meets cringe, cringe often swamps the signal to noise. Too bad, so sad. |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Looked at his work, or peer-reviewed it? Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Looked at his work, or peer-reviewed it? I recall the comment was more substantive than "looked at" but I honestly don't remember specifics. I suppose it doesn't really matter what H&K thought in the scheme of things, but how much credibility a certified SME has in this subject. Since you’ve got a lot of experience with scientific journals, you understand how different Jay’s website is from them, and why I treat it more like a blog than a journal. And I’m with Doty-Soty. It’s useful, much like a gun magazine, but people try to make it something it isn’t. Dude’s just measuring cans for money. Yeah that's pretty fair, but a lot of people have attempted to give us quantitative and qualitative data on suppressors over the years. None of them come close to reaching the depth or level of professional expertise that Jay provides. Pew uses the scientific method and draws upon a body of science for analysis but is not an academic scientific research journal. It's the totality of Jay's professional status and the depth of information provided that makes me see it as much different than a normal blog or guntuber doing his best. It’s true that TBAC sells silencers. They also post numbers for their competitors that beat some (or all?) of their products. There is a clear interest, but it is a declared one. Pew doesn’t really devote much effort to declaring his conflicts or interests. So far, nothing is perfect. I have no reason to doubt TBAC's data. I think they never would have began the Summit without Pew enraging TBAC, but TBAC has done the work nevertheless. The issue I have is the contradiction and hypocrisy of people who accuse Pew of being fraudulent just for the fact that his testing costs money. No evidence has been provided that Pew is dishonest, and we do have evidence that he will not provide a positive review just because a manufacturer pays him for promotion and testing. However, many of those who are strongly "anti-Pew" will also promote data that comes from people who have a direct financial interest in the performance of their silencers and completely ignore (or are unable to recognize) that contradiction. Eta: no hard feelings or anything, man. I think you and I are just in different places on trust vs skepticism, and I approach everything from the perspective of “Is this marketing?” No problem, it's a positive thing that we can have these discussions. I don't consider Pew articles marketing themselves, though up and coming companies will certainly want to use positive test results from a third-party lab for their own marketing, I can virtually guarantee Andrew King (OCL) would be very transparent about that. |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: (Of course, as I post this, Griffin's webpage is being updated) . I can't remember what the inter-office administrative reason for our new website getting so exigently processed. I think we're changing, South Dakota Vs Wayfarer Inc., state sales tax compliance softwares, and we are also bringing on support of an FFL drop down list for firearms FFL orders which is a software that doesn't work with our old big commerce site due to a lack of a developed plugin for support. With the new site the plugin can be custom coded / or does exist already, and the sales tax software plugin does exist for the new website with the new software provider. The website has like 80 page and navigational errors right now so I'm not super impressed with that, and I think it was an unprofessional launch this Friday, so I guess the premature looking launch of the, only somewhat sandboxed, new website is probably related to the annual billing cycle of a sales tax compliance software provider wanting $60,000 more base money than last year to continue with them. They also wanted $8000 additionally to develop an only theoretically functional plugin for the new website that their lower cost, competitor already has developed, functionally proved out, and available for free. Sorry everyone for the number of broken pages. I've reported probably 97% of them but it's the weekend so we will start fixing them next week, hopefully before the customer reports totally overwhelm the communication channels of the CS people. The old sales tax software company is mostly staffed by ex government employees. In my opinion, the sales tax collection Supreme Court decision was a big loss for Americans. It should have gone the other way in my opinion, as it just made one more tax, in a world where, with the new tariffs for example, we see it's so easy for the government to just add taxes like people use sticky notes. It is hard to understand so many taxes and fees in a nation that once had a war over taxes, and that celebrates our independence from a country that charged something like 1.5% tax. Our "patriotic" politicians sure do love new taxes and fees. |
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Originally Posted By Green0: I can't remember what the inter-office administrative reason for our new website getting so exigently processed. I think we're changing, South Dakota Vs Wayfarer Inc., state sales tax compliance softwares, and we are also bringing on support of an FFL drop down list for firearms FFL orders which is a software that doesn't work with our old big commerce site due to a lack of a developed plugin for support. With the new site the plugin can be custom coded / or does exist already, and the sales tax software plugin does exist for the new website with the new software provider. The website has like 80 page and navigational errors right now so I'm not super impressed with that, and I think it was an unprofessional launch this Friday, so I guess the premature looking launch of the, only somewhat sandboxed, new website is probably related to the annual billing cycle of a sales tax compliance software provider wanting $60,000 more base money than last year to continue with them. They also wanted $8000 additionally to develop an only theoretically functional plugin for the new website that their lower cost, competitor already has developed, functionally proved out, and available for free. Sorry everyone for the number of broken pages. I've reported probably 97% of them but it's the weekend so we will start fixing them next week, hopefully before the customer reports totally overwhelm the communication channels of the CS people. The old sales tax software company is mostly staffed by ex government employees. In my opinion, the sales tax collection Supreme Court decision was a big loss for Americans. It should have gone the other way in my opinion, as it just made one more tax, in a world where, with the new tariffs for example, we see it's so easy for the government to just add taxes like people use sticky notes. It's a hard to understand so many taxes and fees in a nation that once had a war over taxes, and that celebrates our independence from a country that charged something like 1.5% tax. Our "patriotic" politicians sure do love new taxes and fees. And yet, despite all that, you are still way more accessible than CAT. My friend is having a headache trying to contact CAT. |
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I am not a big Jay fan and certainly not one to white knight the guy, but I find the allegations made here about CAT/Pew Science to be far fetched. Pew Science is what drove me to not counting on internet hype and guntube reviews of cans after they pumped up the Flow 556K so hard. I bought two, trusting the reviews, and found them to be absolute terrible suppressors for what I want in a suppressor (noise suppression and flash suppression). $2k wasted and those two cans sit in the back of my safe now; I don't even have a host with a Huxwrx muzzle device anymore. I own a lot of cans and CAT and Griffin cans are at the top of my favorites of all of my cans. |
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Originally Posted By DAVID4231: Here's the thread with the deleted comment It’s clear someone doesn’t know how RP’s, ownership, FFL variance manufacturing, and corporate structures work. What’s unclear is why they’re all aflutter about it, and why vague-ragebait posts from other fora are dragged here. Didn’t get enough traction elsewhere? |
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Originally Posted By kel: It’s clear someone doesn’t know how RP’s, ownership, FFL variance manufacturing, and corporate structures work. What’s unclear is why they’re all aflutter about it, and why vague-ragebait posts from other fora are dragged here. Didn’t get enough traction elsewhere? You can't take money for a firearm under a name other than on your FFL, with ownership listed as RPs. According to research, and the reddit threads, there are no variances in CAT's name, no DBAs. These companies are foreign entities masquerading and (apparently) taking money on behalf of another company in the USA. Singapore = China ? So.... why can't anyone give a clear answer to this. |
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Originally Posted By kel: It’s clear someone doesn’t know how RP’s, ownership, FFL variance manufacturing, and corporate structures work. What’s unclear is why they’re all aflutter about it, and why vague-ragebait posts from other fora are dragged here. Didn’t get enough traction elsewhere? Originally Posted By kel: Originally Posted By DAVID4231: Here's the thread with the deleted comment It’s clear someone doesn’t know how RP’s, ownership, FFL variance manufacturing, and corporate structures work. What’s unclear is why they’re all aflutter about it, and why vague-ragebait posts from other fora are dragged here. Didn’t get enough traction elsewhere? He got shot down on Reddit, so he thought he’d give it a shot here. Something tells me he won’t get much traction here either, same as his first post that went nowhere last week. 
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Originally Posted By WUPHF: He got shot down on Reddit, so he thought he’d give it a shot here. Something tells me he won’t get much traction here either, same as his first post that went nowhere last week. No need to bring reddit drama here, carry on firearm enthusiasts |
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Originally Posted By emccracken: Whatever OCL paid for that original full size Polonium review was the best money they ever spent. Real shit haha It definitely helped launch us But look I’ll say this, we (OCL) can verify jay’s data. I can tell Jay what “the magic number” is going to be when I send him a suppressor. It took us awhile to do it. I think cat and us are likely the only ones that can do it. And I have a vested interest in not helping you understand or figure out how so I ain’t gonna. You all think I’m retarded and I figured it out so you figure it out yourself. I received some PewScience data I wasn’t happy with once. Instead of crying about it and thinking “well that’s not possible I’m so good at this” (cough cough) we set out to figure out WHY. And it made us better designers because of it. I mean look at infinity. It has a 7.62 bore and beats any 5.56 can made by anyone commenting on this thread and that’s facts. I’m not gonna sit here and say that if Jay came to me and said “hey Andrew you can slide me a little extra cash and your can will do better” I wouldn’t do it. I’d make it rain on that mf, I’d be number 1 in everything tomorrow. But he hasn’t and won’t. You can cry about me saying that but the only difference in me and you is I’ll be real about it. Any company would jump at that chance, that’s how we end up with YouTube videos calling EA cans Hollywood quiet. Hence why Jay is needed. The industry created the need for Jay by being scumbags for decades. Jay has a lot of integrity and you should really be thankful. I wanted to start paying to get the Griffen, B&T, EA, TBAC, deadair cans tested. I was going to pay out of pocket to test the competition because the more people I can hand L’s to the better. But he said no, that’s not right, he felt like it would be a conflict of interest and wouldn’t feel right about it. So really you all should thank him. Companies don’t like they can’t just claim their stuff is the best anymore and have no control or influence or say in it. You have to actually make good stuff and put some effort into it. Might have to actually decrease their marketing budget and increase the R&D budget. But then my god what are we gonna do without the same repacked cookie cutter video of tacbros operating tactically. Irony is the corny ass video cost 5x more to put out than a PewScience test does but the difference is they know what’ll happen if it gets tested. Why improve when you can market and stack cash, fuck the customers. |
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Originally Posted By AndrewKing: Real shit haha It definitely helped launch us But look I’ll say this, we (OCL) can verify jay’s data. I can tell Jay what “the magic number” is going to be when I send him a suppressor. It took us awhile to do it. I think cat and us are likely the only ones that can do it. And I have a vested interest in not helping you understand or figure out how so I ain’t gonna. You all think I’m retarded and I figured it out so you figure it out yourself. I received some PewScience data I wasn’t happy with once. Instead of crying about it and thinking “well that’s not possible I’m so good at this” (cough cough) we set out to figure out WHY. And it made us better designers because of it. I mean look at infinity. It has a 7.62 bore and beats any 5.56 can made by anyone commenting on this thread and that’s facts. I’m not gonna sit here and say that if Jay came to me and said “hey Andrew you can slide me a little extra cash and your can will do better” I wouldn’t do it. I’d make it rain on that mf, I’d be number 1 in everything tomorrow. But he hasn’t and won’t. You can cry about me saying that but the only difference in me and you is I’ll be real about it. Any company would jump at that chance, that’s how we end up with YouTube videos calling EA cans Hollywood quiet. Hence why Jay is needed. The industry created the need for Jay by being scumbags for decades. Jay has a lot of integrity and you should really be thankful. I wanted to start paying to get the Griffen, B&T, EA, TBAC, deadair cans tested. I was going to pay out of pocket to test the competition because the more people I can hand L’s to the better. But he said no, that’s not right, he felt like it would be a conflict of interest and wouldn’t feel right about it. So really you all should thank him. Companies don’t like they can’t just claim their stuff is the best anymore and have no control or influence or say in it. You have to actually make good stuff and put some effort into it. Might have to actually decrease their marketing budget and increase the R&D budget. But then my god what are we gonna do without the same repacked cookie cutter video of tacbros operating tactically. Irony is the corny ass video cost 5x more to put out than a PewScience test does but the difference is they know what’ll happen if it gets tested. Why improve when you can market and stack cash, fuck the customers. How does the Otter Infinity compare sound-wise to the RD LS5? The weights are the same (Haynes RD 20oz, RD titanium 13.8oz- too heavy for 95% of Arfcom per self-reported data), and the Infinity is about an inch shorter, but the LS5 is my current can to beat so I "need" to buy a new one. Any word on the Milkman? |
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Originally Posted By AndrewKing: Real shit haha It definitely helped launch us But look I’ll say this, we (OCL) can verify jay’s data. I can tell Jay what “the magic number” is going to be when I send him a suppressor. It took us awhile to do it. I think cat and us are likely the only ones that can do it. And I have a vested interest in not helping you understand or figure out how so I ain’t gonna. You all think I’m retarded and I figured it out so you figure it out yourself. I received some PewScience data I wasn’t happy with once. Instead of crying about it and thinking “well that’s not possible I’m so good at this” (cough cough) we set out to figure out WHY. And it made us better designers because of it. I mean look at infinity. It has a 7.62 bore and beats any 5.56 can made by anyone commenting on this thread and that’s facts. I’m not gonna sit here and say that if Jay came to me and said “hey Andrew you can slide me a little extra cash and your can will do better” I wouldn’t do it. I’d make it rain on that mf, I’d be number 1 in everything tomorrow. But he hasn’t and won’t. You can cry about me saying that but the only difference in me and you is I’ll be real about it. Any company would jump at that chance, that’s how we end up with YouTube videos calling EA cans Hollywood quiet. Hence why Jay is needed. The industry created the need for Jay by being scumbags for decades. Jay has a lot of integrity and you should really be thankful. I wanted to start paying to get the Griffen, B&T, EA, TBAC, deadair cans tested. I was going to pay out of pocket to test the competition because the more people I can hand L’s to the better. But he said no, that’s not right, he felt like it would be a conflict of interest and wouldn’t feel right about it. So really you all should thank him. Companies don’t like they can’t just claim their stuff is the best anymore and have no control or influence or say in it. You have to actually make good stuff and put some effort into it. Might have to actually decrease their marketing budget and increase the R&D budget. But then my god what are we gonna do without the same repacked cookie cutter video of tacbros operating tactically. Irony is the corny ass video cost 5x more to put out than a PewScience test does but the difference is they know what’ll happen if it gets tested. Why improve when you can market and stack cash, fuck the customers. Originally Posted By AndrewKing: Originally Posted By emccracken: Whatever OCL paid for that original full size Polonium review was the best money they ever spent. Real shit haha It definitely helped launch us But look I’ll say this, we (OCL) can verify jay’s data. I can tell Jay what “the magic number” is going to be when I send him a suppressor. It took us awhile to do it. I think cat and us are likely the only ones that can do it. And I have a vested interest in not helping you understand or figure out how so I ain’t gonna. You all think I’m retarded and I figured it out so you figure it out yourself. I received some PewScience data I wasn’t happy with once. Instead of crying about it and thinking “well that’s not possible I’m so good at this” (cough cough) we set out to figure out WHY. And it made us better designers because of it. I mean look at infinity. It has a 7.62 bore and beats any 5.56 can made by anyone commenting on this thread and that’s facts. I’m not gonna sit here and say that if Jay came to me and said “hey Andrew you can slide me a little extra cash and your can will do better” I wouldn’t do it. I’d make it rain on that mf, I’d be number 1 in everything tomorrow. But he hasn’t and won’t. You can cry about me saying that but the only difference in me and you is I’ll be real about it. Any company would jump at that chance, that’s how we end up with YouTube videos calling EA cans Hollywood quiet. Hence why Jay is needed. The industry created the need for Jay by being scumbags for decades. Jay has a lot of integrity and you should really be thankful. I wanted to start paying to get the Griffen, B&T, EA, TBAC, deadair cans tested. I was going to pay out of pocket to test the competition because the more people I can hand L’s to the better. But he said no, that’s not right, he felt like it would be a conflict of interest and wouldn’t feel right about it. So really you all should thank him. Companies don’t like they can’t just claim their stuff is the best anymore and have no control or influence or say in it. You have to actually make good stuff and put some effort into it. Might have to actually decrease their marketing budget and increase the R&D budget. But then my god what are we gonna do without the same repacked cookie cutter video of tacbros operating tactically. Irony is the corny ass video cost 5x more to put out than a PewScience test does but the difference is they know what’ll happen if it gets tested. Why improve when you can market and stack cash, fuck the customers. @AndrewKing First of all I am a fan of your cans so don't take this the wrong way. Are you saying you in some way have his algorithm figured out? Or more simply, based on your DB number and experience you can say "this can will land between these 2 cans to it must be rated an 42 on Pew's scale". Engineering a can to excel in his test would not be a bad thing, no? I would have to assume his test on multiple ways does corollate with DB's and perceived loudness. Based on your experience, which is more important and more noticeable: Actual DBs or perceived loudness based on tone, duration, DB's, etc... |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Enticer, too. Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Originally Posted By emccracken: Whatever OCL paid for that original full size Polonium review was the best money they ever spent. Enticer, too. Well, it was part of my research, but not the only reason.  I will give props to the Enticer, for it's size and weight it compares very good to my Scythe, beating the Scythe on a bolt gun and losing out slightly on an AR platform. No regerts on the Enticer S Ti. Weight and performance were my two main criteria.
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Originally Posted By DAVID4231: You can't take money for a firearm under a name other than on your FFL, with ownership listed as RPs. According to research, and the reddit threads, there are no variances in CAT's name, no DBAs. These companies are foreign entities masquerading and (apparently) taking money on behalf of another company in the USA. Singapore = China ? So.... why can't anyone give a clear answer to this. |
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Originally Posted By AndrewKing: Real shit haha It definitely helped launch us But look I’ll say this, we (OCL) can verify jay’s data. I can tell Jay what “the magic number” is going to be when I send him a suppressor. It took us awhile to do it. I think cat and us are likely the only ones that can do it. And I have a vested interest in not helping you understand or figure out how so I ain’t gonna. You all think I’m retarded and I figured it out so you figure it out yourself. I received some PewScience data I wasn’t happy with once. Instead of crying about it and thinking “well that’s not possible I’m so good at this” (cough cough) we set out to figure out WHY. And it made us better designers because of it. I mean look at infinity. It has a 7.62 bore and beats any 5.56 can made by anyone commenting on this thread and that’s facts. I’m not gonna sit here and say that if Jay came to me and said “hey Andrew you can slide me a little extra cash and your can will do better” I wouldn’t do it. I’d make it rain on that mf, I’d be number 1 in everything tomorrow. But he hasn’t and won’t. You can cry about me saying that but the only difference in me and you is I’ll be real about it. Any company would jump at that chance, that’s how we end up with YouTube videos calling EA cans Hollywood quiet. Hence why Jay is needed. The industry created the need for Jay by being scumbags for decades. Jay has a lot of integrity and you should really be thankful. I wanted to start paying to get the Griffen, B&T, EA, TBAC, deadair cans tested. I was going to pay out of pocket to test the competition because the more people I can hand L’s to the better. But he said no, that’s not right, he felt like it would be a conflict of interest and wouldn’t feel right about it. So really you all should thank him. Companies don’t like they can’t just claim their stuff is the best anymore and have no control or influence or say in it. You have to actually make good stuff and put some effort into it. Might have to actually decrease their marketing budget and increase the R&D budget. But then my god what are we gonna do without the same repacked cookie cutter video of tacbros operating tactically. Irony is the corny ass video cost 5x more to put out than a PewScience test does but the difference is they know what’ll happen if it gets tested. Why improve when you can market and stack cash, fuck the customers. Your Infinity is too heavy. Do better and I'll buy it. Facts. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: Everyone is aware at this point that any mfrs not sending their stuff to Jay for testing is evidence they don't believe their own performance claims. Marketing is marketing, the PS soup sells, and end users don't care that the recipe is a secret. Who is this “everyone” you speak for, and how do you know that no “end users” care about opacity? |
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Originally Posted By 1168RGR: Who is this “everyone” you speak for, and how do you know that no “end users” care about opacity? I speak conjecturally for those who are conscious of the revolutionary work Jay has done to lift the veil of mystique that existed over the industry for decades, which I assume is everyone, and who appreciate the straightforwardness of his suppression rating system, which I assume is most. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: To circle this back on topic, it is much easier to believe that the recent CAT/PS collision scheme accusations were spawned by mfrs who have been the most PS-cynical operating under pseudonyms than that CAT/PS actually colluded. |
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Originally Posted By KM6: … work Jay has done to lift the veil of mystique… You can’t be serious. The dude has a PhD in obfuscation and verbosity. He teases out info over several non-intersecting channels of explication, out of temporal phase with minimal interlinking modal attraction. On top of that, with growing market, he can’t keep up with any category of suppressor or even use the most common host configurations. He slaps some bitchin drip though. |
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Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: You can’t be serious. The dude has a PhD in obfuscation and verbosity. He teases out info over several non-intersecting channels of explication, out of temporal phase with minimal interlinking modal attraction. On top of that, with growing market, he can’t keep up with any category of suppressor or even use the most common host configurations. He slaps some bitchin drip though. Funny coming from another guy with a PhD in verbosity and $10 words. |
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Originally Posted By emccracken: Funny coming from another guy with a PhD in verbosity and $10 words. It was supposed to be funny. Sorry, I can’t do anything about inflation. Seriously, I’ve spent decades reading and using technical literature and that hack’s format, style, and content would have drowned in red ink markups under any professor or engineering manager I’ve been subject to. No executive summary, Physical description info is all over the place, whatever. It was free entertainment a few years ago. |
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Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: It was supposed to be funny. Sorry, I can’t do anything about inflation. Seriously, I’ve spent decades reading and using technical literature and that hack’s format, style, and content would have drowned in red ink markups under any professor or engineering manager I’ve been subject to. No executive summary, Physical description info is all over the place, whatever. It was free entertainment a few years ago. Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: It was supposed to be funny. Sorry, I can’t do anything about inflation. Seriously, I’ve spent decades reading and using technical literature and that hack’s format, style, and content would have drowned in red ink markups under any professor or engineering manager I’ve been subject to. No executive summary, Physical description info is all over the place, whatever. It was free entertainment a few years ago. It’d never make it in medicine, biology, or physics professional literature, either. But, neither would many things I read. Difference is, most books, magazines, or blogs don’t have people saying “the new data just dropped”, or “I’m something of a scientist myself”. Originally Posted By emccracken: Funny coming from another guy with a PhD in verbosity and $10 words. Originally Posted By KM6: I consider none of that an indictment of PS or any mfr who uses PS as a marketing vehicle. |
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| The TSWIF seems imminent now that PEW has released their testing analysis. Pretty interesting, but pretty niche. Performed similar to a Mini2 (with 3 prong) for overall sound suppression, but has lower backpressure. Noveske also has their similar Amigo for their KX3, which I don't see discussed much and didn't even appear on a Noveske site search. I can see the logic of these for someone who wants a pin and weld and also prioritizes weight/length over sound performance. |
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Risked the cringe, bought the CAT MOB to test the hype and it checks out. Shot it on the CMMG RDB, Stribog, HK and even blowback AR. With the good ammo and the RDB, I legit thought my weapon was doubling because the action noise going forward sounded the same as firing. Shot it over 3 days, going some more testing to make sure it wasn't the weather but took it out with all the other brand leaders and the CAT MOB is a different kind of silence. So just to give credit where credit is due to you weird cringy dudes at CAT, you make a neat can. |
If you are putting a lot of effort into arguing with me, you are probably really just wasting your time, sorry.
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Originally Posted By zentradi: Risked the cringe, bought the CAT MOB to test the hype and it checks out. Shot it on the CMMG RDB, Stribog, HK and even blowback AR. With the good ammo and the RDB, I legit thought my weapon was doubling because the action noise going forward sounded the same as firing. Shot it over 3 days, going some more testing to make sure it wasn't the weather but took it out with all the other brand leaders and the CAT MOB is a different kind of silence. So just to give credit where credit is due to you weird cringy dudes at CAT, you make a neat can. Its also a solid 300blk silencer but an awesome 338arc/8.6blk silencer if you arent wanting to throw a 8.5 inch+ monster on the end of your gun. |
| Has any solid information come out on the VB? I've been trolling over what reflex suppressors are on the market, and with the high praise the company gets for their suppressors, I find myself really intrigued with what they might bring to the table. Especially if it winds up being a low backpressure option as the plan for this can is to go onto a bullpup with only a single suppressed setting, so I'd like to reduce any extra wear and gassing if possible. |
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Originally Posted By WriterClarke: Has any solid information come out on the VB? I've been trolling over what reflex suppressors are on the market, and with the high praise the company gets for their suppressors, I find myself really intrigued with what they might bring to the table. Especially if it winds up being a low backpressure option as the plan for this can is to go onto a bullpup with only a single suppressed setting, so I'd like to reduce any extra wear and gassing if possible. Saw recently on maybe reddit that it'll have 2.5 inches of reflex and uses their qd system. You have to use the nano muzzle device with it. |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: Risked the cringe, bought the CAT MOB to test the hype and it checks out. Shot it on the CMMG RDB, Stribog, HK and even blowback AR. With the good ammo and the RDB, I legit thought my weapon was doubling because the action noise going forward sounded the same as firing. Shot it over 3 days, going some more testing to make sure it wasn't the weather but took it out with all the other brand leaders and the CAT MOB is a different kind of silence. So just to give credit where credit is due to you weird cringy dudes at CAT, you make a neat can. Few things in life live up to the hype. The MOB is one of those things. |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: Risked the cringe, bought the CAT MOB to test the hype and it checks out. Shot it on the CMMG RDB, Stribog, HK and even blowback AR. With the good ammo and the RDB, I legit thought my weapon was doubling because the action noise going forward sounded the same as firing. Shot it over 3 days, going some more testing to make sure it wasn't the weather but took it out with all the other brand leaders and the CAT MOB is a different kind of silence. So just to give credit where credit is due to you weird cringy dudes at CAT, you make a neat can. Im similarly off put by their marketing and the whole secret squirrel, "if you know you know" vibe to everything they do. But the performance is undeniable and consistently class leading or right up there. They produce exceptionally capable suppressors. I also give them a bit of credit for generally having their products available for purchase. Looking at you, Knights. |
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Originally Posted By The_Sugar_Weasel: Saw recently on maybe reddit that it'll have 2.5 inches of reflex and uses their qd system. You have to use the nano muzzle device with it. That would make sense, and using the Nano would probably make it real easy on me as I did just get the TSF X Hub for my Nomad which I've been having issues finding a short enough muzzle device for. |
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