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Posted: 9/30/2022 3:53:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wolfman is hard to beat for any subgun or PCC IMHO. If money was tight I wouldn't be upset being stuck with my YHM R9. andrew, the owner of otter creek has said his favorite PCC can a few months ago was the R9. he was impressed with how well it performed, with such a small package. i felt the same way when I got mine out of jail. when otter creek designed their lithium, he used the R9 as the 'can to beat'. |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 5:21:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: andrew, the owner of otter creek has said his favorite PCC can a few months ago was the R9. he was impressed with how well it performed, with such a small package. i felt the same way when I got mine out of jail. when otter creek designed their lithium, he used the R9 as the 'can to beat'. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wolfman is hard to beat for any subgun or PCC IMHO. If money was tight I wouldn't be upset being stuck with my YHM R9. andrew, the owner of otter creek has said his favorite PCC can a few months ago was the R9. he was impressed with how well it performed, with such a small package. i felt the same way when I got mine out of jail. when otter creek designed their lithium, he used the R9 as the 'can to beat'. I would agree. I've had my R9 for a little while now, using it pretty much as a dedicated can for my SP5. It sounds great for its size, and the price is really hard to beat. |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 5:50:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: andrew, the owner of otter creek has said his favorite PCC can a few months ago was the R9. he was impressed with how well it performed, with such a small package. i felt the same way when I got mine out of jail. when otter creek designed their lithium, he used the R9 as the 'can to beat'. I like my Omega 9K but not the price so when the R9 came out I bought 2 for what I paid for the Omega. One on a PCC, other on 350 Legend AR. Omega is also on a PCC. |
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Posted: 9/30/2022 5:57:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Primarily for semi auto fixed barrel PCC use. Semi auto as I have Omega 9k's for the machinegun. I don't care about being short, traditional pistol use, or .300blk use. I want quiet subsonic 9mm performance. The suppressors they use on the movies are always the quietest. I wish I knew which ones they used 
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Posted: 10/1/2022 12:16:41 PM EDT
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I prefer something user serviceable, but most seem to point towards the Wolfman as being the quietest. Quiet is what I want....
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Posted: 10/1/2022 1:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer something user serviceable, but most seem to point towards the Wolfman as being the quietest. Quiet is what I want.... The GSL Phoenix or similar Curtis Tactical suppressors are user serviceable and should offer similar suppression (or perhaps better suppression by some accounts) compared to the Wolfman. I haven’t heard much about the GSL Fat Man, but it is also user serviceable. There are a lot of good options out there. The Resilient RS9 is also user serviceable, but the suppression seems to be a little unpredictable depending on platform/mounting choice. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:19:12 PM EDT
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I shot my friend’s Obsidian 9 on both his mp5 and his p320.
Good lord it was quiet. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:03:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The GSL Phoenix or similar Curtis Tactical suppressors are user serviceable and should offer similar suppression (or perhaps better suppression by some accounts) compared to the Wolfman. I haven’t heard much about the GSL Fat Man, but it is also user serviceable. There are a lot of good options out there. The Resilient RS9 is also user serviceable, but the suppression seems to be a little unpredictable depending on platform/mounting choice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I prefer something user serviceable, but most seem to point towards the Wolfman as being the quietest. Quiet is what I want.... The GSL Phoenix or similar Curtis Tactical suppressors are user serviceable and should offer similar suppression (or perhaps better suppression by some accounts) compared to the Wolfman. I haven’t heard much about the GSL Fat Man, but it is also user serviceable. There are a lot of good options out there. The Resilient RS9 is also user serviceable, but the suppression seems to be a little unpredictable depending on platform/mounting choice. I'm not much for moving suppressors around. The only one I do that with is my Ghost when shooting handguns suppressed. I have been looking at the GSL Pheonix. The Curtis Tacs are expensive. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:08:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The GSL Phoenix or similar Curtis Tactical suppressors are user serviceable and should offer similar suppression (or perhaps better suppression by some accounts) compared to the Wolfman. I haven't heard much about the GSL Fat Man, but it is also user serviceable. There are a lot of good options out there. The Resilient RS9 is also user serviceable, but the suppression seems to be a little unpredictable depending on platform/mounting choice. The Phoenix is also aluminum so while serviceable you shouldn't use harsh chemicals or an ultrasonic. The Curtis Tactical is all stainless and Titanium. Also lighter than the Phoenix. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:35:30 PM EDT
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Check out the Resilient RS9. In Pew Science testing it made the MP5K quieter than the MP5 suppressed and it's a lot lighter than a GSL Phoenix while still being user serviceable.
I have one pending from April and I'm excited about it. Also have a Wolfman, Omega 9k, CGS Kraken and a Griffin Rev 9 that have been used on various subguns with the exception of the Kraken which is dedicated pistol use. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 4:43:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to GSL's website the Fat Man is NOT user serviceable: https://gsltechnology.com/product/thefatman/ The Phoenix is also aluminum so while serviceable you shouldn't use harsh chemicals or an ultrasonic. The Curtis Tactical is all stainless and Titanium. Also lighter than the Phoenix. Good catch on the Fat Man. I thought it was just a truncated Phoenix. Regarding the Curtis Tactical, is the 8” CT9K lighter than a Phoenix or just the CT9KS? |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:29:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good catch on the Fat Man. I thought it was just a truncated Phoenix. Regarding the Curtis Tactical, is the 8" CT9K lighter than a Phoenix or just the CT9KS? I still don't know of anyone getting a CT9K. Joe told me about a year ago that nobody had asked to get the CT9 or CT9K. Everyone just gets the CT9KS. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not volume dependent. It's technology dependent. It's both. I've built 9mm cans the size of rimfire stuff, and giants on the other end of the spectrum, as well as recoring some monstrosities that made modern .338 Lapua cans look, well...... "athletic". You can only do so much with inadequate volumes regardless of design efficiency, but big volume certainly won't make up for crap internals. There's always a balance. Where that balance lies is largely host dependent, though, both in terms of backpressure on autoloading hosts as well as the point of diminishing returns with size & weight. On that note, however, IME, conventional core designs in oversized cans do not work well. You can't just scale up a solid 1.375x7" pistol can design to 2x10" and get good results with the same round. Seen so many Form 1 cans where "bigger is better" was the precept with disappointing results. The additional volume can absolutely be utilized effectively, but it has to be done a certain way or you'll end up with something that actually performs worse. Coaxial is really the name of the game with the big things, but figuring out exactly where and how much to bleed off into the coaxial chamber(s) for optimal efficacy, as well as the core size to use within, depends on the main tube size and the host firearm. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:08:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just the CT9KS but in another thread there is some discussion about getting a K made from 100% Ti. Don't know the weight or cost but he did tell me he could do it. I still don't know of anyone getting a CT9K. Joe told me about a year ago that nobody had asked to get the CT9 or CT9K. Everyone just gets the CT9KS. I’m interested in having him make a .45 version for me and was thinking the 8” K-length might make more sense for the larger bore diameter. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice collection! Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice collection! Thanks. Here is the collection of almost all of my PCC hosts. I just didn't have my CMMG radial delayed with me. Believe me between what Jay is saying about that RS9 and Amphibian always mentioning that Curtis Tactical version of the Phoenix it is tempting get one of the two for sure. Sure you can move cans around but I'm kind of in the mindset of just suppress all the things permanently. Something I know your all too well aware of   Quoted: Interesting. I have a Rex Mg7 .358 that sounds good on my blowback 9mm pcc to an onlooker, but the port-pop rings my ears. I wonder if the .45 cal Rex would be better and I should just move the .358 to one of my 300BLKs. I really would like to have access to the smaller bore size MG7 to do a back to back comparison. Don't get me wrong its still got some port pop. I just found compared to my other options it is slightly less. Quoted: The data disturbed me, greatly. It was so strange, at first, that we went above and beyond our typical QA/QC. I checked the data sets so many ways. I actually went back to sound speed and wave front time of arrival and weapon kinematics just to make sure if for some reason the data was labeled wrong, it is still right. For example - if you were to take the two datasets, and not know from which gun they were - you could back out which dataset is from which gun. This is one of the many reasons why I publish the complete waveforms. Since HK engineering kinematics have been cross-checked with PEW Science measured kinematics in the waveforms for the MP5 system in peer review, both our teams have high confidence in the GSL Phoenix data. So, when it came to doing the RS9, and the cross-checks were all green.............. I just kinda sat there and got another cup of coffee. When the dust settled - it's so simple, I can't believe I didn't think of doing it myself. (in a way, we kind of already knew this could happen due to the way a Hyperion works, actually, and some other silencers, but that's a longer discussion). The fact that Former "form 1" guys are making strides like this just shows you how far the state of practice has evolved. I was speaking with some of them yesterday. Before the ATF crackdown, the prototyping going on and the community helping each other was so incredible, and unencumbered by typical silencer industry politics / resources / red tape, etc (because it wasn't the silencer industry - it was the "solvent trap" world) - it became a mini "space race." Now, to be clear, there are certain aspects of technology they are coming to use that has been developed before, but a lot of them don't even know it. And, when some stuff looks "copied" - it's really not. Some of it is thought up independently and just happens to be similar to very old technology. It's so interesting to watch. It's really fascinating. I think what people are seeing now is the evolution of that "space race." Big companies have to stick with SKUs and backward compatibility and customer service with other models, and common parts, and yada yada - a big machine. Administratively, a lot of inertia to overcome, blah blah. The small guys just starting out are taking huge technical risks and leaps. The Resilient stuff is only one example of this. I, for one, am excited for the future!!! Jay PEW Science Sometimes the stars align I guess. Again thanks for sharing all of your data. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:44:04 PM EDT
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How do the Huxwrx pistol cans perform?
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Posted: 10/3/2022 10:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do the Huxwrx pistol cans perform? So far their isnt much out there about their new ca$h 9, but I did find a TFB ad (I mean article) about it with no real information. The name does not instill confindence. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:58:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far their isnt much out there about their new ca$h 9, but I did find a TFB ad (I mean article) about it with no real information. The name does not instill confindence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do the Huxwrx pistol cans perform? So far their isnt much out there about their new ca$h 9, but I did find a TFB ad (I mean article) about it with no real information. The name does not instill confindence. I have high expectations because I got to run a Flow pretty hard and see it in use at a recent class. It was used to do some serious vehicle work, punch windows, break tail lights to hold the rifle in disabled officer scenarios...and it was very quiet. I was impressed with the Flow. I am thinking the pistol can should be good as well. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 3:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do the Huxwrx pistol cans perform? I’ve been hoping Pew would review them. There isn’t much out there, but they seemed kind of loud in a TFB review I watched. It may be one of those situations where it is quieter to the shooter but louder down range. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 3:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been hoping Pew would review them. There isn’t much out there, but they seemed kind of loud in a TFB review I watched. It may be one of those situations where it is quieter to the shooter but louder down range. Stay tuned. Jay PEW Science |
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