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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:02:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sandman durability is nice but overrated, I have sold 100s of Sandmans...the vast majority to people shooting less than 10,000 rounds a year. I always encourage people to consider weight over durability, but everyone imagines they are going to be taking their can to war. It’s not like a nomad is delicate either |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:11:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sandman durability is nice but overrated, I have sold 100s of Sandmans...the vast majority to people shooting less than 10,000 rounds a year. I always encourage people to consider weight over durability, but everyone imagines they are going to be taking their can to war. This is a lesson I have learned myself over the years. I don't run my gear hard enough to need insane durability. I do notice how heavy something is every time I pick it up however. YMMV. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:38:56 AM EDT
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They might be calling it the sasquatch because you hear all about it but still haven't seen it yet.
I hope it is a sub 13 ounce tubeless can. Flash hider endcap standard. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 11:50:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The imagery doesn't really jive with a 5.56mm can, big wildebeests, lions on the hunt, a quote about the savage joy of hunting.... I think it's a big bore can not a 5.56 can, I'm going to guess a .375" bore because of the African imagery. They did that on their Instagram when they announced the nomad L. This time my guess is the Nomax in 338. But you can’t use keymo with that heavy of a round. Wonder if xeno will be rated for it. |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 9:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sandman durability is nice but overrated, I have sold 100s of Sandmans...the vast majority to people shooting less than 10,000 rounds a year. I always encourage people to consider weight over durability, but everyone imagines they are going to be taking their can to war. Even if you do take a can to war you won't use it in a way that requires incredible durability. In a war a soldier can only carry so much ammunition, and the onus is on him to conserve the ammo because ammo is a lifeline and he may not be resupplied rapidly. Most of the military gear is catered around the dumbest guy that will ever be issued the gear doing the dumbest training thing foreseen and that's why the contracts often have pretty aggressive fire schedules. They want even the least professional guy to have a functional system at the end of the hardest use. In a fight, things unfold over time, and targets have to be there to have a reason to shoot, so it's not like a popup range where 20 targets could if programmed continue to appear as fast as a soldier can pull the trigger. Mogadishu shows that- TF Ranger fought ~21 hours with one resupply. That implies two combat loadouts lasted 21 hours in what the report calls "one of the bloodiest and fiercest urban firefights since the Vietnam War." If the guys carried 16, 30 round mags (a pretty unlikely and very heavy double std combat load), and every guy was supplied and spent a full second loadout (highly unlikely as well) that's 960 rounds in 21 hours, 1 round per minute & twenty seconds average. Obviously it wasn't perfectly spaced out, so that doesn't mean you could run that mission successfully with an aluminum 5.56mm can, but it does mean no rifleman would have had a 5.56mm can glowing in the dark on that mission, were they have been issued cans. https://history.army.mil/html/documents/somalia/SomaliaAAR.pdf |
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No way that happens. Not here! I heard it was 56db at the ear.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dammit! Who started this? EP4T? That you? Now you've done it. No matter what, somebody's gonna say something way cooler that we're releasing and everyone will be disappointed.  Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering No way that happens. Not here! I heard it was 56db at the ear. I could swear I’d heard it was 55db 
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Posted: 8/23/2021 11:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if you do take a can to war you won't use it in a way that requires incredible durability. In a war a soldier can only carry so much ammunition, and the onus is on him to conserve the ammo because ammo is a lifeline and he may not be resupplied rapidly. Most of the military gear is catered around the dumbest guy that will ever be issued the gear doing the dumbest training thing foreseen and that's why the contracts often have pretty aggressive fire schedules. They want even the least professional guy to have a functional system at the end of the hardest use. In a fight, things unfold over time, and targets have to be there to have a reason to shoot, so it's not like a popup range where 20 targets could if programmed continue to appear as fast as a soldier can pull the trigger. Mogadishu shows that- TF Ranger fought ~21 hours with one resupply. That implies two combat loadouts lasted 21 hours in what the report calls "one of the bloodiest and fiercest urban firefights since the Vietnam War." If the guys carried 16, 30 round mags (a pretty unlikely and very heavy double std combat load), and every guy was supplied and spent a full second loadout (highly unlikely as well) that's 960 rounds in 21 hours, 1 round per minute & twenty seconds average. Obviously it wasn't perfectly spaced out, so that doesn't mean you could run that mission successfully with an aluminum 5.56mm can, but it does mean no rifleman would have had a 5.56mm can glowing in the dark on that mission, were they have been issued cans. https://history.army.mil/html/documents/somalia/SomaliaAAR.pdf That’s a really cool history lesson. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 12:01:45 AM EDT
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there is not a new post on insta
did i miss something? |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 8:04:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there is not a new post on insta did i miss something? It was a story. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 8:53:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: there is not a new post on insta did i miss something? Looking at them again, it looks like the lion pictures I was looking at are a few months old, I just hadn't looked in a while. Doesn't really appear to be an impending rollout given that they are two months old, just some neat-o lion pictures DA wanted to share with us. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 10:40:25 AM EDT
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Looking more like a Dead Air Hybrid 46 / Omega 36m type can after today's instagram post.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 10:41:06 AM EDT
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Just went back into DA's IG account and saw pictures of multi-caliber rounds with Lapua 338 being the last round. Seems like this will either be a big-bore can or a multi-can like the Omega 36M.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 11:26:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2021 1:55:25 PM EDT
[#14]
Well crap. I was really hoping for a dedicated 5.56 can from them. Guess I'll be buying something else.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 2:14:49 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryGuess I posted too soon, looks to be at least 35 cal, maybe 40 cal in there. Sounds like the Nomax cometh, which is honestly more interesting to me than a dedicated 5.56 can. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 3:34:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well crap. I was really hoping for a dedicated 5.56 can from them. Guess I'll be buying something else. Wait for it. I’ve seen it. It will not disappoint.‘I’m buying at least one. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 5:04:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait for it. I've seen it. It will not disappoint.'I'm buying at least one. 
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Posted: 8/24/2021 5:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait for it. I’ve seen it. It will not disappoint.‘I’m buying at least one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well crap. I was really hoping for a dedicated 5.56 can from them. Guess I'll be buying something else. Wait for it. I’ve seen it. It will not disappoint.‘I’m buying at least one. Their podcast stated might be two cans being released. And they pushed signing up for their newsletter for this week. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 5:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their podcast stated might be two cans being released. And they pushed signing up for their newsletter for this week. Wait there is a new podcast? Thought they gave up on those… |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 5:59:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait for it. I've seen it. It will not disappoint.'I'm buying at least one. Darn you guys... spill the beans already! |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 6:01:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait there is a new podcast? Thought they gave up on those… Yeah, I’m not seeing a new Speakeasy since mid July |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 6:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I’m not seeing a new Speakeasy since mid July Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait there is a new podcast? Thought they gave up on those… Yeah, I’m not seeing a new Speakeasy since mid July Speakeasy Podcast 22 |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 6:42:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same. All this. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 6:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDid they stop putting these on Apple stuff? I thought they quit. |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 9:56:21 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they stop putting these on Apple stuff? I thought they quit. Quote HistoryUnknown about Apple- Every few weeks now on podcast |
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Posted: 8/24/2021 11:48:19 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unknown about Apple- Every few weeks now on podcast SoundCloud is their hosting service, it’s not on there yet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/25/2021 10:00:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Wait for it. I’ve seen it. It will not disappoint.‘I’m buying at least one. Quoted: Same. Okay Okay. I'll wait. Geez I need more patience.
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Posted: 8/25/2021 10:15:16 AM EDT
[#28]
Two new cans?
Shit, terrible timing for me. Guess I'll be melting the plastic for them. |
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Posted: 8/25/2021 12:14:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/25/2021 3:51:31 PM EDT
[#30]
Sigh
I guess I'll keep waiting and hoping for either the dedicated 5.56 can, or the Silent Mike inspired rimfire can. |
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Posted: 8/25/2021 11:59:04 PM EDT
[#31]
Not the 5.56 can...
Primal. Tube says .458
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Posted: 8/26/2021 1:00:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the 5.56 can... Primal. Tube says .458
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9r90yUXEAE3856?format=jpg&name=900x900 .458 with a 3 lug? |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 1:03:14 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .458 with a 3 lug? So basically a .45 Wolfman/Nomad version? |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 1:10:09 AM EDT
[#34]
So it looks like it turned out to be tubeless and competitive to Hybrid-46 or Rex MG-10-458. That’s a very useful niche. Well, it should be fairly low blowback on a 5.56, lol.
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Posted: 8/26/2021 1:28:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So it looks like it turned out to be tubeless and competitive to Hybrid-46 or Rex MG-10-458. That’s a very useful niche. Well, it should be fairly low blowback on a 5.56, lol. Less chance of a baffle strike too. |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 9:20:46 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Less chance of a baffle strike too.  |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 12:42:16 PM EDT
[#37]
I’m so happy! I was about to get a hybrid for a 45-70. I’d much rather get this!
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Posted: 8/26/2021 3:02:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Damn, I was really looking forward to a dedicated 5.56 can.
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Posted: 8/26/2021 4:28:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, I was really looking forward to a dedicated 5.56 can. Coming soon |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 4:37:22 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Coming soon Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Damn, I was really looking forward to a dedicated 5.56 can. Coming soon Two more weeks…
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Posted: 8/26/2021 4:37:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m so happy! I was about to get a hybrid for a 45-70. I’d much rather get this! Me 2. Just hoping the Primal is rated down to 10.5" .458 SOCOM barrels. |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 10:50:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m so happy! I was about to get a hybrid for a 45-70. I’d much rather get this! Todd and the DA customer service crew be like.......... 
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:18:30 PM EDT
[#43]
So there are a few in here that say it will be worth the wait for the 5.56 can. Let’s say I’m in the market for one at the 1K or under price point. I already have a RECCE5 which I love, and am either looking at something similar in size, OR, a Turbo K.
For you guys in the know. At the under 1k price point, including stamp, is it worth the wait instead of just ordering another RECCE5 or Turbo K? |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:24:32 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So there are a few in here that say it will be worth the wait for the 5.56 can. Let’s say I’m in the market for one at the 1K or under price point. I already have a RECCE5 which I love, and am either looking at something similar in size, OR, a Turbo K. For you guys in the know. At the under 1k price point, including stamp, is it worth the wait instead of just ordering another RECCE5 or Turbo K? If you are an early adopter I’d still recommend filling that niche with something in-stock now, and jumping on something that looks good when vapor condenses into reality. Stamp processing periods are an unknown, infant product issues are an unknown, market fervor is an unknown, inflation is a consideration. Don’t let the imaginary perfect be the enemy of the present good. Bird in the hand and all that. |
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Posted: 8/26/2021 11:35:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are an early adopter I’d still recommend filling that niche with something in-stock now, and jumping on something that looks good when vapor condenses into reality. Stamp processing periods are an unknown, infant product issues are an unknown, market fervor is an unknown, inflation is a consideration. Don’t let the imaginary perfect be the enemy of the present good. Bird in the hand and all that. Great point. Going to go ahead and get it started on one of the above tomorrow |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 12:19:23 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Less chance of a baffle strike too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So it looks like it turned out to be tubeless and competitive to Hybrid-46 or Rex MG-10-458. That’s a very useful niche. Well, it should be fairly low blowback on a 5.56, lol. Less chance of a baffle strike too. Yeah, we basically designed this for 1911XDM. 
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Posted: 8/27/2021 2:25:17 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, we basically designed this for 1911XDM. Harsh but funny! |
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Posted: 8/27/2021 7:30:58 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So there are a few in here that say it will be worth the wait for the 5.56 can. Let's say I'm in the market for one at the 1K or under price point. I already have a RECCE5 which I love, and am either looking at something similar in size, OR, a Turbo K. For you guys in the know. At the under 1k price point, including stamp, is it worth the wait instead of just ordering another RECCE5 or Turbo K?
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Posted: 8/27/2021 9:58:04 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. Maybe Dead Air, maybe not.... As cool as you guys are, this thread is making me hate you. 
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Posted: 8/27/2021 11:35:45 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As cool as you guys are, this thread is making me hate you. I'd wait.. the Dead Air guys say it's coming out sometime in Fall... worse come worst, if you don't like the dedicated DA 5.56 can - you've wasted a couple months of waiting time and will still get the TurboK. IMO, it's better than getting buyer's remorse. |
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