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Posted: 9/26/2016 10:28:26 AM EDT
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Alright, my old man is finally starting to want a suppressor. I've talked to him a lot about QD mounts, and .30 cal suppressors, and the SiCo Hybrid option. He's set that he will only ever want to use the suppressor on one host, and he may well be right. He's set that the host will be dedicated to always shooting with the suppressor mounted (10.5" upper). So, therefore, he's set on getting a 5.56 direct thread can, if he ultimately commits to buying one.
I'm not super well informed on suppressors in general (still waiting on an Octane and an Omega), nor am I that informed specifically on direct thread suppressors. I recommended to him the Gemtech Patrolman or Trek-T, with the preference toward the Trek-T. Am I on the right path? I guess there's no reason not to recommend an Omega with a direct thread mount. But, what other options should he be exploring? |
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It may be worthwhile to call Mile High in Erie and see if they have some direct thread SAS cans left
While you're at it, ask about a TBAC ultra 7 which may or may not with depending on pops' firing schedule That being said, I had a great time with my trek on a 11.5" barrel yesterday |
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The Trek T might be the best 5.56 direct thread can out. It's only 5.7 inches and 10 ounces. Trek T gets my vote I have a saker K that I have contemplated getting a direct thread mount for. But If I had to get a DT ONLY can, the Trek T is where my money would go. |
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Spartan 3 is what I always recommend for this situation, and I own one. Direct threads loosen, especially on a semi auto. Since the Spartan 3 has wrench flats, you can use threadlocker to keep it on tight, but not have to worry about not getting it off. Since he's putting it on a 10.5", he won't need to take it on and off much so I would recommend a drop or two of threadlocker.
That aside, it's small, light, cheap, quiet, etc. The specs stack up nicely against the competition. 
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Quoted: Spartan 3 is what I always recommend for this situation, and I own one. Direct threads loosen, especially on a semi auto. Since the Spartan 3 has wrench flats, you can use threadlocker to keep it on tight, but not have to worry about not getting it off. Since he's putting it on a 10.5", he won't need to take it on and off much so I would recommend a drop or two of threadlocker. That aside, it's small, light, cheap, quiet, etc. The specs stack up nicely against the competition. http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd519/generalpurpose87/DSCN3217_zpsxpz1hyh7.jpg |
| Resbond 907TS blue, on recommendation from Engineer if I remember correctly. Rocksett has been inconsistent in my experience, especially the small bottles and packets of it. I'm sure there's a lot of different stuff that will do the job. Probably even Loc-tite. |
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Great recommendations so far guys. I'm blown away by the variety of options.
Speaking of threadlocker, I'm also curious what you use. Just blue loctite, or rocksett, or something else? I guess I'd be concerned with ultimately gumming up the threads on the barrel and on the suppressor, but I suppose they can be cleaned. Edit: sorry just saw the response above. Beat while I was typing. |
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Spartan 3 is what I always recommend for this situation, and I own one. Direct threads loosen, especially on a semi auto. Since the Spartan 3 has wrench flats, you can use threadlocker to keep it on tight, but not have to worry about not getting it off. Since he's putting it on a 10.5", he won't need to take it on and off much so I would recommend a drop or two of threadlocker. That aside, it's small, light, cheap, quiet, etc. The specs stack up nicely against the competition. http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd519/generalpurpose87/DSCN3217_zpsxpz1hyh7.jpg I'm wishing I didn't sleep on the Spartan. It was OOS so I ended up with the SIG direct thread 556 can..... |
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Quoted: Resbond 907TS blue, on recommendation from Engineer if I remember correctly. Rocksett has been inconsistent in my experience, especially the small bottles and packets of it. I'm sure there's a lot of different stuff that will do the job. Probably even Loc-tite. I've been using Rocksett with my Form 1 cans, and I agree about the inconsistency. It could be me doing something incorrectly though. All I know is sometimes the stuff is nearly impossible to break free, other times it loosens by just being looked at the wrong way. |
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I just sent an upper back to the manufacturer because I used Rocksett to bond the suppressor on. I would not recommend it. Yikes. This is exactly why I love the wrench flats on the Spartan 3 so much. Some people don't think it's a big deal, but for me it's the only reason I was okay with buying a threadmount can. |
| The SilencerCo Omega with a direct thread would be really nice though I'm not sure I would give up my QD mount. The nice thing is that if I change my mind, all I need to do is buy a threaded mount and flat end cap and I can go to a relatively compact direct thread .308 can with minimal hassle. |
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I picked up a Palmetto State Defense Monolith (not Palmetto State Armory) as a cheap beater can prior to 41f.
Just arrived at my dealer and I'll be test driving it next week. Full auto rated, mono core, direct thread, weighs 1lb, modestly priced at $300, but none of the cool factor, or wrench flats (which is brilliant). |
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It may be worthwhile to call Mile High in Erie and see if they have some direct thread SAS cans left While you're at it, ask about a TBAC ultra 7 which may or may not with depending on pops' firing schedule That being said, I had a great time with my trek on a 11.5" barrel yesterday I bought two SAS cans from Mile High when they were doing their blow out pricing. I already have my Reaper Ti DT in my possession and it's awesome. Mike @ Mile High was awesome to deal with. Still waiting on my Sentinel TOMB. If you're looking for a simple DT can, the Trek or Trek Ti are pretty tough to beat. The Ti version is pricy, but the weight savings might be worth it depending on how it will be used. I'm using my regular Trek on a 10.5" SBR until the Sentinel Ti TOMB clears the F4. It does a fine job of reducing the muzzle blast from the SBR. It also works quite well on my .22-250 bolt gun. |
Let me just say that, while my dad is too old to effectively use the internet, he is still capable of reading, as long as he can remember where he last set down his reading spectacles. I've linked him to this thread and he is keeping up with it. He may even have an arfcom account or three, but he probably forgets his username and password shortly after sign up, so he is resigned to a read-only arfcom experience. I will say that he has been sending me Morse code messages (ok, they're text messages) since linking him to this thread with additional clarifying questions, but especially with compliments on the knowledge of each of you here contributing to this thread. So, he and I thank you all very much for the ongoing discussion.
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I know your dad said only one 5.56 host, but shooting suppressed is such a win for plinking or hunting I think he may want to suppress other rifles down the road. If he goes with a 5.56 DT suppressor he is stuck with 5.56. But if he were to go with the Omega with a 1/2" 28 DT module and a 223 flat end cap he gets the benefits of a short, light DT 5.56 suppressor and the flexibility to suppress other rifles op to .308 as well. The DT module that comes with the Omega is 5/8 24 btw, he would need to buy the 1/2" 28 DT module and the flat end cap.
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I know your dad said only one 5.56 host, but shooting suppressed is such a win for plinking or hunting I think he may want to suppress other rifles down the road. If he goes with a 5.56 DT suppressor he is stuck with 5.56. But if he were to go with the Omega with a 1/2" 28 DT module and a 223 flat end cap he gets the benefits of a short, light DT 5.56 suppressor and the flexibility to suppress other rifles op to .308 as well. The DT module that comes with the Omega is 5/8 24 btw, he would need to buy the 1/2" 28 DT module and the flat end cap. JPK I just sent him a very detailed email trying to push the Omega on him. We'll see. He's now asking about the direct thread Sig suppressors. Now I'm trying to figure out if the Ti is good to go for his 10.5" or if he should get the Inconel version... |
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The Trek T might be the best 5.56 direct thread can out. It's only 5.7 inches and 10 ounces. Trek T gets my vote They don't make the Trek T anymore. Say it isn't so!!! This has been on my "next suppressor to get" list for almost four years, while I go through the divorce from hell. The Trek T was the PERFECT thread on can. |
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Say it isn't so!!! This has been on my "next suppressor to get" list for almost four years, while I go through the divorce from hell. The Trek T was the PERFECT thread on can. Quoted:
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The Trek T might be the best 5.56 direct thread can out. It's only 5.7 inches and 10 ounces. Trek T gets my vote They don't make the Trek T anymore. Say it isn't so!!! This has been on my "next suppressor to get" list for almost four years, while I go through the divorce from hell. The Trek T was the PERFECT thread on can. Call Gemtech and ask. If they're like AAC, they probably have some stashed in a warehouse |
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Omega seems like the perfect can. It comes with a DT (which has wrench flats) and a QD mount. I use the QD mount on a SCAR, LMT .308, and a 16" AR15. I recently used the DT mount on an SBR shown in the last pic. I bought the Ti DT mount and .223 end cap for this SBR build. I liked enough to recently put a 2nd in jail.   |
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Make sure you buy a 16" barrel with a small port (LMT is best for this) and cut it down. I would look at SIG cans. Very cheap but the spec sheet looks great. Plenty of barrel makers making 10.5 barrels with the proper gas port size I'm considering Griffin Armaments DT 5.56 Spartan 3 It would be perfect to pin to a 10.5 barrel to throw on a non SBR lower. I only have one lower that isn't SBR'd so I doubt I'd pin it but it's still perfect for making a one stamp gun |
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Elite Iron - Delta Yes. I have one, bought it back in 2012. I bought it because it was one of the few manufactures to offer direct thread back then Only issue with a Elite Iron cans is that they are on the heavy side. Not an issue for me as it's on my 221 Rem Fireball, and on my .222 Rem. But they are now offering some of their models in Titanium. But nothing in .223/5.56. Just 22RF, and .308 for now. |
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I will second the the SAS recommendation someone made earlier in the thread. Mile High Shooting Accessories in Colorado does still have a few of the direct thread cans left at amazing prices. I just talked to them end of last week.
You have to ask for Mike if you call. It seems some of the other employees are confused regarding the stock left on these. |
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The Trek T might be the best 5.56 direct thread can out. It's only 5.7 inches and 10 ounces. Trek T gets my vote They don't make the Trek T anymore. Yes, sadly the Trek-T has been retired. It was the lightest and shortest DT suppressor for years. You might still be able to find one from a dealer with left over stock. Gem-Tech has become obsessed with "SOCOM" grade products and all of their suppressors have grown in size and weight, they offer a 5.56 TITANIUM suppressor is over 16 oz...  . I would say they are going in the wrong direction and missing the trend of the suppressor market which is lighter and small but It dont think its a mistake. They appear to be pushing hard for military contracts and don't seem to care about the civilian market. That's great that they have suppressors that can handle the abuse of a full-auto belt fed but 99% of civilians dont need that.
Trek-T At 11.5 oz and 7" in length its 1.2 oz heavier and 1.3" longer than the Trek-T Ultra-7 At 12.5 oz and 6.25" in length its 2.2 oz heavier and 0.55" longer than the Trek-T Spartan 3 Finally if price isnt really an issue I recommend the Brevis. Its a Titanium 3D printed suppressor that comes in at 7.5 oz and 3.7" in length. As far as i know its the lightest and shortest 5.56 suppressor on the market that has the same performance as a full sized suppressor. Brevis II 5.56 Ultra |
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i have a Spartan 3 in jail right now. I chose a direct thread because I will Silver Solder it to make it a "One stamp" gun. Something for you to consider for you dad. No need to SBR a lower. Lol, just had a long discussion with him about perm attaching a direct thread yesterday. Really not sure why I never thought about that before this thread, but it's tempting me too now. |
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Lol, just had a long discussion with him about perm attaching a direct thread yesterday. Really not sure why I never thought about that before this thread, but it's tempting me too now. Quoted:
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i have a Spartan 3 in jail right now. I chose a direct thread because I will Silver Solder it to make it a "One stamp" gun. Something for you to consider for you dad. No need to SBR a lower. Lol, just had a long discussion with him about perm attaching a direct thread yesterday. Really not sure why I never thought about that before this thread, but it's tempting me too now. Don't do it unless your state laws don't allow SBRs. Once you solder a suppressor on you often loose the ability to remove, repair or adjust gas blocks, rails, barrel nuts, gas tubes, etc...IMO pay the $200 and make a random lower into an SBR. |
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Quoted: Don't do it unless your state laws don't allow SBRs. Once you solder a suppressor on you often loose the ability to remove, repair or adjust gas blocks, rails, barrel nuts, gas tubes, etc...IMO pay the $200 and make a random lower into an SBR. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: i have a Spartan 3 in jail right now. I chose a direct thread because I will Silver Solder it to make it a "One stamp" gun. Something for you to consider for you dad. No need to SBR a lower. Lol, just had a long discussion with him about perm attaching a direct thread yesterday. Really not sure why I never thought about that before this thread, but it's tempting me too now. Don't do it unless your state laws don't allow SBRs. Once you solder a suppressor on you often loose the ability to remove, repair or adjust gas blocks, rails, barrel nuts, gas tubes, etc...IMO pay the $200 and make a random lower into an SBR. |
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M47 was $403. Still yet to put any rounds through it yet...  Quoted:
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I'll do that. Well, what did you pay? Are you under oath not to tell? M47 was $403. Still yet to put any rounds through it yet... So you got the direct thread? Any idea what it weighs? |
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I'll do that. Well, what did you pay? Are you under oath not to tell? M47 was $403. Still yet to put any rounds through it yet... So you got the direct thread? Any idea what it weighs? The M47 is basically the stainless version of their reaper. It is around 20oz and 7" in length. |
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