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Posted: 6/15/2016 10:11:53 PM EDT
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I've recently become part of a trust with the intention of buying a suppressor, and an sbr. I want to have a can that will work with .300 blk and 9mm specifically, but other calibers are a plus.
Given that, I've been looking at cans that will work with .300 blk super sonic (.308 would be cool, too) and also have baffles for at least 9mm (preferably .45 ACP and .40 S&W as well) In my research I've come across several .308 cans that fit the bill. But I want to see what the hivemind recommends. Size and weight aren't a big deal, I'm most concerned with having a QUIET suppressor that will work with multiple rounds, is user serviceable and won't break the bank ( I'm hoping to find one for around $700). Durability is a big factor. I want this can to last. What are my options? |
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Well you can't have extra 9mm, 40, 45 baffles to change calibers....because ATF.
So, if you intend to shoot 45 and down (including supersonic rifle rounds,) take a look at the Hybrid although it is not user serviceable. If you don't care as much about 40 and 45, take a look at the optimus. It's user serviceable and can handle supersonic rifle rounds. Both are a little more than your budget, but worth it IMO. |
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Optimus, Hybrid, any of the new .45 cans would work, okay - double check want is supersonic rated. 9mm can won't be terribly quiet on the 300blk subs You're in a real tough spot with the budget, expectations, and 41F breathing down your neck Completely false. 9mm cans actually work better on 300blk then .45 cans and almost as well as a .308 rifle can. Here is a good video comparing the Octane 9mm vs the Octane 45 (which they also compare against the SDN6 for 300BLK). The 9mm version was noticeable quieter then the 45 version and damn near as quiet using subs as the SDN6. 9mm cans do noticeable better job with .22LR too. 
OP - the problem with "Do-it-all" suppressors is there are always compromises to be made. They may work well for some applications, but generally do not work well for all applications, especially if ultimate sound reduction is your main goal. I went with the Octane 9 because it works very well for the calibers I was interested in shooting but if you want to be able to shoot supersonic 300BLK, you will probably need to get a .308 cal. rifle can because most (all?) of the pistol cal suppressors are only rated for subsonic 300BLK. |
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Completely false. 9mm cans actually work better on 300blk then .45 cans and almost as well as a .308 rifle can. Here is a good video comparing the Octane 9mm vs the Octane 45 (which they also compare against the SDN6 for 300BLK). The 9mm version was noticeable quieter then the 45 version and damn near as quiet using subs as the SDN6. 9mm cans do noticeable better job with .22LR too.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epK70OzQgKg
OP - the problem with "Do-it-all" suppressors is there are always compromises to be made. They may work well for some applications, but generally do not work well for all applications, especially if ultimate sound reduction is your main goal. I went with the Octane 9 because it works very well for the calibers I was interested in shooting but if you want to be able to shoot supersonic 300BLK, you will probably need to get a .308 cal. rifle can because most (all?) of the pistol cal suppressors are only rated for subsonic 300BLK. Quoted:
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Optimus, Hybrid, any of the new .45 cans would work, okay - double check want is supersonic rated. 9mm can won't be terribly quiet on the 300blk subs You're in a real tough spot with the budget, expectations, and 41F breathing down your neck Completely false. 9mm cans actually work better on 300blk then .45 cans and almost as well as a .308 rifle can. Here is a good video comparing the Octane 9mm vs the Octane 45 (which they also compare against the SDN6 for 300BLK). The 9mm version was noticeable quieter then the 45 version and damn near as quiet using subs as the SDN6. 9mm cans do noticeable better job with .22LR too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epK70OzQgKg
OP - the problem with "Do-it-all" suppressors is there are always compromises to be made. They may work well for some applications, but generally do not work well for all applications, especially if ultimate sound reduction is your main goal. I went with the Octane 9 because it works very well for the calibers I was interested in shooting but if you want to be able to shoot supersonic 300BLK, you will probably need to get a .308 cal. rifle can because most (all?) of the pistol cal suppressors are only rated for subsonic 300BLK. You can't ignore the increased volume and tighter bore of a .30 Maybe my phrasing was poor or you inferred wrong but I'm not at all saying a .45 pistol can will be quieter than a 9mm |
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Quoted: You can't ignore the increased volume and tighter bore of a .30 Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Optimus, Hybrid, any of the new .45 cans would work, okay - double check want is supersonic rated. 9mm can won't be terribly quiet on the 300blk subs You're in a real tough spot with the budget, expectations, and 41F breathing down your neck Completely false. 9mm cans actually work better on 300blk then .45 cans and almost as well as a .308 rifle can. Here is a good video comparing the Octane 9mm vs the Octane 45 (which they also compare against the SDN6 for 300BLK). The 9mm version was noticeable quieter then the 45 version and damn near as quiet using subs as the SDN6. 9mm cans do noticeable better job with .22LR too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epK70OzQgKgOP - the problem with "Do-it-all" suppressors is there are always compromises to be made. They may work well for some applications, but generally do not work well for all applications, especially if ultimate sound reduction is your main goal. I went with the Octane 9 because it works very well for the calibers I was interested in shooting but if you want to be able to shoot supersonic 300BLK, you will probably need to get a .308 cal. rifle can because most (all?) of the pistol cal suppressors are only rated for subsonic 300BLK. You can't ignore the increased volume and tighter bore of a .30 Agreed. My Mystic X sounds pretty good on .300 BLK but my Sandman is markedly better. In general the caliber specific cans are going to be the better performers. |
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Thanks for all the input!
The reason I was leaning towards a suppressor for .300 blk and 9mm is because I have rifles in both calibers, and was thinking the high volume of a .308 can would work really well for both. I didn't know you couldn't have seperate baffles for different calibers with the same can. That sucks! The Optimus might be a good option. Originally, I was thinking I'd buy 2 separate cans 1 for my pistol, one for rifles, but after watching the video airgunner posted of the Octane 9 vs the .45 I'm not so sure. The .45 seemed to work decently across all they tested, and I will need .45 can for my pistol. I think that may be the best place for me to start, as it should also work for .300 subs and 9mm relatively well. The .300 blk super sonic ability was something I saw as a plus, but it wasn't really that high of a priority. Is the .45 octane the best choice for a user serviceable .45 can? What other cans in this category would you all recommend looking at? |
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Thanks for all the input! The reason I was leaning towards a suppressor for .300 blk and 9mm is because I have rifles in both calibers, and was thinking the high volume of a .308 can would work really well for both. I didn't know you couldn't have seperate baffles for different calibers with the same can. That sucks! The Optimus might be a good option. Originally, I was thinking I'd buy 2 separate cans 1 for my pistol, one for rifles, but after watching the video airgunner posted of the Octane 9 vs the .45 I'm not so sure. The .45 seemed to work decently across all they tested, and I will need .45 can for my pistol. I think that may be the best place for me to start, as it should also work for .300 subs and 9mm relatively well. The .300 blk super sonic ability was something I saw as a plus, but it wasn't really that high of a priority. Is the .45 octane the best choice for a user serviceable .45 can? What other cans in this category would you all recommend looking at? I would look at the rugged obsidian or DA ghost if I were in the market for a 45 can right now. Both are rated for 300blk subs. |
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You can't ignore the increased volume and tighter bore of a .30 Maybe my phrasing was poor or you inferred wrong but I'm not at all saying a .45 pistol can will be quieter than a 9mm No, I think maybe you misunderstood me? Yes, a .30 cal rifle suppressor will almost always work better then any pistol can for 300BLK plus you get the added advantage of being able to use it for supersonic loads but when comparing 9mm vs 45 cal pistol cans, I think the 9mm will always work better on 300BLK. Interior volume of the can matters but so does bore diameter and the bore diameter of a 45 is really big for a .30 cal round. Sure some .45 cans have 9mm end caps but the bore of the baffles will still be .45 |
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I would look at the rugged obsidian or DA ghost if I were in the market for a 45 can right now. Both are rated for 300blk subs. I agree that if you want a .45 can, the Obsidian is the one to get followed by the Ghost M but honestly, if 9mm and 300BLK are what you are wanting to suppress, I think a 9mm suppressor is the better way to go. I guess it just depends on what's more important to you, ultimate suppression of ultimate flexibility? The 9mm can is quieter on 9mm, 300BLK and 22LR but the 45 can isn't much louder and it does allow you to use it on .40 and .45 hosts. I have no need or desire to suppress 40 or 45 so I went with a 9mm can. YMMV? Ultimate flexibility would be a .45 can and a .30 cal rifle can. Depending on the specific models, you can suppressor almost anything with those 2 cans. |
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I agree that if you want a .45 can, the Obsidian is the one to get followed by the Ghost M but honestly, if 9mm and 300BLK are what you are wanting to suppress, I think a 9mm suppressor is the better way to go. I guess it just depends on what's more important to you, ultimate suppression of ultimate flexibility? The 9mm can is quieter on 9mm, 300BLK and 22LR but the 45 can isn't much louder and it does allow you to use it on .40 and .45 hosts. I have no need or desire to suppress 40 or 45 so I went with a 9mm can. YMMV? Ultimate flexibility would be a .45 can and a .30 cal rifle can. Depending on the specific models, you can suppressor almost anything with those 2 cans. Quoted:
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I would look at the rugged obsidian or DA ghost if I were in the market for a 45 can right now. Both are rated for 300blk subs. I agree that if you want a .45 can, the Obsidian is the one to get followed by the Ghost M but honestly, if 9mm and 300BLK are what you are wanting to suppress, I think a 9mm suppressor is the better way to go. I guess it just depends on what's more important to you, ultimate suppression of ultimate flexibility? The 9mm can is quieter on 9mm, 300BLK and 22LR but the 45 can isn't much louder and it does allow you to use it on .40 and .45 hosts. I have no need or desire to suppress 40 or 45 so I went with a 9mm can. YMMV? Ultimate flexibility would be a .45 can and a .30 cal rifle can. Depending on the specific models, you can suppressor almost anything with those 2 cans. OP says he needs a 45 can for his pistols here, "I will need .45 can for my pistol." |
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No, I think maybe you misunderstood me? Yes, a .30 cal rifle suppressor will almost always work better then any pistol can for 300BLK plus you get the added advantage of being able to use it for supersonic loads but when comparing 9mm vs 45 cal pistol cans, I think the 9mm will always work better on 300BLK. Interior volume of the can matters but so does bore diameter and the bore diameter of a 45 is really big for a .30 cal round. Sure some .45 cans have 9mm end caps but the bore of the baffles will still be .45 Quoted:
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You can't ignore the increased volume and tighter bore of a .30 Maybe my phrasing was poor or you inferred wrong but I'm not at all saying a .45 pistol can will be quieter than a 9mm No, I think maybe you misunderstood me? Yes, a .30 cal rifle suppressor will almost always work better then any pistol can for 300BLK plus you get the added advantage of being able to use it for supersonic loads but when comparing 9mm vs 45 cal pistol cans, I think the 9mm will always work better on 300BLK. Interior volume of the can matters but so does bore diameter and the bore diameter of a 45 is really big for a .30 cal round. Sure some .45 cans have 9mm end caps but the bore of the baffles will still be .45 We're on the same page with 9mm vs .45 on a 300blk 
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Thanks again for the info everyone. I've been looking at the Obsidian, and I'm really intrigued. Leaning towards picking one up. I have a few questions about it though.
Is there any precautions I'd need to take while cleaning it? It looks like the housing is aluminum, any extra care needed for that? Also, the first home for this suppressor will be my Glock 21 sf, it has a factory threaded barrel which is metric 16x1 LH. I'm not seeing that option available on Silencershop. Does Rugged make the mount? |
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Thanks again for the info everyone. I've been looking at the Obsidian, and I'm really intrigued. Leaning towards picking one up. I have a few questions about it though. Is there any precautions I'd need to take while cleaning it? It looks like the housing is aluminum, any extra care needed for that? Also, the first home for this suppressor will be my Glock 21 sf, it has a factory threaded barrel which is metric 16x1 LH. I'm not seeing that option available on Silencershop. Does Rugged make the mount? I believe it takes Silencerco Octane pistons. See if they have that thread pitch in stock |
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OP says he needs a 45 can for his pistols here, "I will need .45 can for my pistol." Sorry, I was going by what he originally said... I want to have a can that will work with .300 blk and 9mm specifically, but other calibers are a plus. So yes, if he wants one can for 9mm, .45acp and .300BLK then he obviously needs to stick with a .45 pistol can and the Obsidian seems to be the best of that breed right now. OP - Sorry but I can't answer your last question regarding the mounts for the Obsidian? As for cleaning, an aluminum tube is fine as the tube it self isn't that hard to clean. It's the baffles you have to worry about and the Obsidian has SS baffles that can be soaked and scrubbed or tumbled or cleaned ultrasonically so cleaning shouldn't be an issue. |
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Thanks again for the info everyone. I've been looking at the Obsidian, and I'm really intrigued. Leaning towards picking one up. I have a few questions about it though. Is there any precautions I'd need to take while cleaning it? It looks like the housing is aluminum, any extra care needed for that? Also, the first home for this suppressor will be my Glock 21 sf, it has a factory threaded barrel which is metric 16x1 LH. I'm not seeing that option available on Silencershop. Does Rugged make the mount? I just checked Silencer Shop and the Obsidian is in stock (I wouldn't wait long) and by using a Powered By dealer and uploading your trust they'll file your F4 before the 41F deadline. I've got an Obsidian in process right now myself. You might as well plan on ordering a good .30 cal can and a rimfire can as well (because everybody needs a rimfire can;). Good luck on your choices, imo best firearm decision ever for me was getting suppressors. |
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