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Posted: 10/22/2018 6:25:07 PM EDT
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Unknown round count but it has a lot. barrels from 8" to 18" semi and full auto. AAC m4-2000
 
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Posted: 10/27/2018 12:33:48 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2018 1:08:52 AM EDT
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Sandman S with maybe 1500 rounds of various .223 / 5.56 on a 10.5" LMT upper with flash suppressor mount.
I was just looking at the can and noticed the blast baffle is somewhat beat up so I figured I'd post a pic 
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Posted: 11/25/2018 9:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gck5150:
Sandman S with maybe 1500 rounds of various .223 / 5.56 on a 10.5" LMT upper with flash suppressor mount. I was just looking at the can and noticed the blast baffle is somewhat beat up so I figured I'd post a pic
https://i.imgur.com/YqftJBP.jpg  Holy crap! Only 1,500 rounds?I'd be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about that erosion. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/25/2018 10:38:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FMKeith]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Holy crap! Only 1,500 rounds?I'd be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about that erosion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Originally Posted By gck5150:
Sandman S with maybe 1500 rounds of various .223 / 5.56 on a 10.5" LMT upper with flash suppressor mount. I was just looking at the can and noticed the blast baffle is somewhat beat up so I figured I'd post a pic
https://i.imgur.com/YqftJBP.jpg Holy crap! Only 1,500 rounds?I'd be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about that erosion. |
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Posted: 11/25/2018 11:16:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Holy crap! Only 1,500 rounds?I'd be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about that erosion. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Originally Posted By gck5150:
Sandman S with maybe 1500 rounds of various .223 / 5.56 on a 10.5" LMT upper with flash suppressor mount. I was just looking at the can and noticed the blast baffle is somewhat beat up so I figured I'd post a pic
https://i.imgur.com/YqftJBP.jpg Holy crap! Only 1,500 rounds?I'd be interested in hearing what the manufacturer says about that erosion. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 6:59:32 AM EDT
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Is that a piece missing at 3:00?
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 8:02:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: abnt89]
[#8]
Here's my sandman S that's had about 3000 rounds through it. It's been on a 10.5" with a flash hider the whole time and has only seen 223 in semi. Kind of looks like the above Sandman pic too as far as the blast baffle goes.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 8:30:01 AM EDT
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Good thread. Seeing some of the pictures has made me rethink going with just FHs on my 10.5” guns and getting hammer comps to act as sacrificial baffles.
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:18:21 AM EDT
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Wow, even the mighty Stellite baffle yields to the sandblasting of an SBR. Would've thought if would take longer than that, though.
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IN, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:40:37 AM EDT
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I have a sandman-s in jail right now. Seeing those baffles crumbling at such a low round count (compared to others in this thread) has me second guessing my choice.
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:49:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mitsuman47]
[#12]
Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Is that a piece missing at 3:00? Originally Posted By abnt89:
Here's my sandman S that's had about 3000 rounds through it. It's been on a 10.5" with a flash hider the whole time and has only seen 223 in semi. Kind of looks like the above Sandman pic too as far as the blast baffle goes. https://i.imgur.com/fzaQvUv.jpg |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:59:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11B3XCIB]
[#13]
Innovative Arms direct thread 5.56. ~8,000 rounds, half on a 16” and half on a 10.5” AR:
I’m really surprised (and pleased) at how well this IA can is doing. It’s a little heavy for a 5.56 can so it’s built like a tank Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3, ~3,000rds 16” AR 
That little bit of build up is easily removed but it’s not enough to mess with right now. Griffin Optimus Micro: ~1,000rds 16” AR, ~250rds 20” 224 Valkyrie and unknown 22lr 
After cleaning the baffles I didn’t really see anything I’d consider wear. This tiny can is a beast |
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USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 12:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300:
I have a sandman-s in jail right now. Seeing those baffles crumbling at such a low round count (compared to others in this thread) has me second guessing my choice. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 1:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rdb2403: Maybe I’m seeing it differently, but to me these Sandman blast baffles look to have build up on the non-clipped portion of the baffle. Some of the buildup seems to have been knocked off giving it the appearance of the baffle being chipped or broken. I have a Wolverine pending that uses the same baffle design so I’m hopeful that I’m right, but open to discussion. 
That’s not buildup causing an “appearance”.... |
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USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:Wow, even the mighty Stellite baffle yields to the sandblasting of an SBR. Would've thought if would take longer than that, though. |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:46:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
Sandman-S 0 rounds http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll241/ppcseniortrip/Mobile%20Uploads/D1AB8222-E630-483D-A03B-574F0B49AA53.jpg @bradpierson26 how's it holding up? |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 2:49:29 PM EDT
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The more I look at it, it might actually be "build up".
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
For comparison, here's a Sandman S with zero rounds. @bradpierson26 how's it holding up? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 3:09:24 PM EDT
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16” 5.56 seems OK, but some of these pics seem to be a PSA for running a sacrificial baffle muzzle device if you’re going to be doing a lot of, or exclusive, shooting of 5.56 out of a 11.5 or shorter 5.56.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 4:08:12 PM EDT
[#21]
@gck5150 and @abnt89,
Wow! That's very abnormal for a stellite baffle. Please contact our customer service and we'll quickly get these rebuilt for you. We have demo cans that have seen many thousands or rounds more than this that only have a slight surface impingement on the baffle. It's very thick, too, so if there is erosion it's not going to affect the structural integrity of the baffle. If I had to hazard a guess, there could have been some baffle strikes that cracked that baffle and accelerated the breakdown or it could have just been a bad casting. We investment cast the baffles because there's no reasonable way to machine this it. It's not unheard of to have a cast part that has porosity issues, although, this is the first we've seen it on our baffles. In any case, we'll absolutely fix this if anyone ever runs into it. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 4:15:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:
Wow, even the mighty Stellite baffle yields to the sandblasting of an SBR. Would've thought if would take longer than that, though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:
Wow, even the mighty Stellite baffle yields to the sandblasting of an SBR. Would've thought if would take longer than that, though. Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Is that a piece missing at 3:00? Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 4:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mageever:
@gck5150 and @abnt89, Wow! That's very abnormal for a stellite baffle. Please contact our customer service and we'll quickly get these rebuilt for you. We have demo cans that have seen many thousands or rounds more than this that only have a slight surface impingement on the baffle. It's very thick, too, so if there is erosion it's not going to affect the structural integrity of the baffle. If I had to hazard a guess, there could have been some baffle strikes that cracked that baffle and accelerated the breakdown or it could have just been a bad casting. We investment cast the baffles because there's no reasonable way to machine this it. It's not unheard of to have a cast part that has porosity issues, although, this is the first we've seen it on our baffles. In any case, we'll absolutely fix this if anyone ever runs into it. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 6:27:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By abnt89: Thanks for the replay Todd, it really doesn't bother me but I'll shoot them an email with some pictures and see what they say. Out of curiosity and maybe slight ignorance, and without derailing the thread too much, would it even be possible to have a blast baffle strike and still have the rest of them and the end cap be in perfect condition? Either way I'll shoot customer service an email, thanks again. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 7:47:30 PM EDT
[#25]
Not only is a 10.5 much harder on a can without a brake but there is such a thing called jacket separation. If you run a rifle hard enough the jacket can seperate from the lead core and strike the stack. Dead Air is always there when you need them! ;-)
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Posted: 11/26/2018 9:33:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Sandman K, with an extremely abusive 2k or so. About half full auto mag dumps.
 Used on various hosts: 4.5” - 5.56 8” - 5.56 13.7” - 5.56 8.5” - 7.62x51 5.9” - .300blk 8.5” - .300blk |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 10:00:13 PM EDT
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^^ I want to see a 4.5” suppressed AR
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Posted: 11/26/2018 10:07:58 PM EDT
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 10:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aksahsalahs:
Sandman K, with an extremely abusive 2k or so. About half full auto mag dumps. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/101965/66149239-3E16-45C7-9B00-E9A50A914B0F-752088.jpg Used on various hosts: 4.5” - 5.56 8” - 5.56 13.7” - 5.56 8.5” - 7.62x51 5.9” - .300blk 8.5” - .300blk |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/26/2018 11:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Griffin Alpha/Palidan. Unknown round count, but it's a lot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/A66C4211-74DD-4546-A842-ED4997FB1193_jpeg-752138.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/4DC75EE2-4F62-4450-A700-D3A3420BA82D_jpeg-752139.JPG |
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Posted: 11/26/2018 11:09:11 PM EDT
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For comparison, here's my Sandman-S with approximately 4,000 rounds of assorted calibers through it. 75% of that is from an 11.5" 5.56 with a brake, the balance is mostly a .243 RPR and a 12.5" Grendel, both with brakes. I couldn't get a very clear pic, but the baffles show no real wear, just lots of carbon. None of my brakes are showing much measurable wear either.
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Posted: 11/26/2018 11:17:49 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2018 12:12:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mageever:
@gck5150 and @abnt89, Wow! That's very abnormal for a stellite baffle. Please contact our customer service and we'll quickly get these rebuilt for you. We have demo cans that have seen many thousands or rounds more than this that only have a slight surface impingement on the baffle. It's very thick, too, so if there is erosion it's not going to affect the structural integrity of the baffle. If I had to hazard a guess, there could have been some baffle strikes that cracked that baffle and accelerated the breakdown or it could have just been a bad casting. We investment cast the baffles because there's no reasonable way to machine this it. It's not unheard of to have a cast part that has porosity issues, although, this is the first we've seen it on our baffles. In any case, we'll absolutely fix this if anyone ever runs into it. Todd Magee Dead Air Engineering I'll get in touch with customer service in the near future. I might want to take the can to the range this weekend but I'll get it back to you guys soon. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 12:15:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B3XCIB:
Probably drop some weight and gain some volume back by cleaning all that crap out Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B3XCIB:
Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Griffin Alpha/Palidan. Unknown round count, but it's a lot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/A66C4211-74DD-4546-A842-ED4997FB1193_jpeg-752138.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/4DC75EE2-4F62-4450-A700-D3A3420BA82D_jpeg-752139.JPG you should have seen my Optimus after 500 rounds of subsonic 300blk... I'm pretty sold on user serviceable cans. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 1:13:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Effenpig]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Yeah it's on my list to do this winter.. you should have seen my Optimus after 500 rounds of subsonic 300blk... I'm pretty sold on user serviceable cans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Originally Posted By 11B3XCIB:
Originally Posted By right_rudder:
Griffin Alpha/Palidan. Unknown round count, but it's a lot. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/A66C4211-74DD-4546-A842-ED4997FB1193_jpeg-752138.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/4DC75EE2-4F62-4450-A700-D3A3420BA82D_jpeg-752139.JPG you should have seen my Optimus after 500 rounds of subsonic 300blk... I'm pretty sold on user serviceable cans. I've noticed a fair bit less carbon since I started using Vihtavouri for my 300blk sub loads What's the most you've run through the Paladin without breaking it down? Have you ever tried the paladin tool on the optimus? I've had to beat my baffles out with a dowel, it's not a big deal but I'd much rather use a press tool 
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Posted: 11/27/2018 1:24:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig: @right_rudder I've noticed a fair bit less carbon since I started using Vihtavouri for my 300blk sub loads What's the most you've run through the Paladin without breaking it down? Have you ever tried the paladin tool on the optimus? I've had to beat my baffles out with a dowel, it's not a big deal but I'd much rather use a press tool Actually, those pics tonight of the Palidan.. it's never been cleaned. But it's run mostly on an 11.5" 556 and a 22" 6.5cm (both semi and bolt). And as you can see, it's due for a cleaning. Im gonna experiment with different powders for my subs going forward.. I'd be interested in your load, I don't mind cleaning but damn. Lol. to answer your question about the Optimus baffle pusher... works like a charm with the mid length (blast shield). I'll never again beat my baffles out.. it's just too easy with the tool. |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 1:51:30 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
@Effenpig Actually, those pics tonight of the Palidan.. it's never been cleaned. But it's run mostly on an 11.5" 556 and a 22" 6.5cm (both semi and bolt). And as you can see, it's due for a cleaning. Im gonna experiment with different powders for my subs going forward.. I'd be interested in your load, I don't mind cleaning but damn. Lol. to answer your question about the Optimus baffle pusher... works like a charm with the mid length (blast shield). I'll never again beat my baffles out.. it's just too easy with the tool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Originally Posted By Effenpig: @right_rudder I've noticed a fair bit less carbon since I started using Vihtavouri for my 300blk sub loads What's the most you've run through the Paladin without breaking it down? Have you ever tried the paladin tool on the optimus? I've had to beat my baffles out with a dowel, it's not a big deal but I'd much rather use a press tool Actually, those pics tonight of the Palidan.. it's never been cleaned. But it's run mostly on an 11.5" 556 and a 22" 6.5cm (both semi and bolt). And as you can see, it's due for a cleaning. Im gonna experiment with different powders for my subs going forward.. I'd be interested in your load, I don't mind cleaning but damn. Lol. to answer your question about the Optimus baffle pusher... works like a charm with the mid length (blast shield). I'll never again beat my baffles out.. it's just too easy with the tool. Interesting, I'll have to see if they'll sell the tool separate. Maybe I'll have to buy a paladin... Send me a PM or email and we'll go over some load data |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2018 11:06:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jeremywills]
[#38]
This is what my Sandman K currently looks like.
Don't have an exact round count but I'd say roughly 200 .300 blk subs, 500 .300 blk supers, 200, maybe 300 mixture of .223 and 5.56 spec ammo. Hosts, 16in bolt .300 blk with the brake. AR pattern guns, 8.3 .300 blk with hider, 10.5 and 16 .223/5.56 with hider. Also I should probably mention that most of the .300 blk has actually been through the bolt gun so not nearly as abusive as it is with the shorter setups and that one has the brake on it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/27/2018 2:37:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11B3XCIB:
^^ I want to see a 4.5" suppressed AR |
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Posted: 11/27/2018 6:11:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ComicalGrub503:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ComicalGrub503:
Originally Posted By 11B3XCIB:
^^ I want to see a 4.5" suppressed AR 
And to keep it on track, here is a Saker 556k with about 300 rounds. Mostly a 16” gun. 
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Posted: 12/5/2018 1:48:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KingRollo]
[#41]
I hope this pic is quality. Sandman S 2k~ rounds of mixed M855 and M193 shot from 11.5" and 10.3" SBRs.
ETA: Only with the flash hider mounts. I also hit this with the air compressor the other day. |
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Posted: 12/10/2018 2:34:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/10/2018 8:31:56 AM EDT
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M4-2000 + Brakeout 2.0
2500 rounds 11.5 and 14.5 SBRs XM193, 55gr GDSP, BH 77gr OTM blue box recently serviced by AAC (new latch, latch spring, cerakote) 4 day turn around!  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 8:07:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: assaultdog0351]
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Griffin Optimus.
About 2k 9mm via pistol About 500 5.56 from a 10.5" in long configuration with a taper mount comp About 1,000 5.56 from a 10.5" in mid configuration with micro 3 prong flash hider taper mount. About 50 6.5 creedmoor 100 7.62x51 from 18" with paladin taper mount. 
 
Lightly cleaned. Mid configuration with 3 prong seems to have sped things up. 
This is after the first 100 with 3 prong. 
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Posted: 12/22/2018 10:35:13 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Shouldn't be too hard to replace when it does eventually wear out Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
Griffin Optimus. About 2k 9mm via pistol About 500 5.56 from a 10.5" in long configuration with a taper mount comp About 1,000 5.56 from a 10.5" in mid configuration with micro 3 prong flash hider taper mount. About 50 6.5 creedmoor 100 7.62x51 from 18" with paladin taper mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172640-781822.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172623-781825.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172651-781826.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_175007-781827.jpg Lightly cleaned. Mid configuration with 3 prong seems to have sped things up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190048-781896.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190026-781952.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190117-781953.jpg This is after the first 100 with 3 prong. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181215_170722-781903.jpg |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 11:02:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By assaultdog0351:
The other 900 rounds in mid config were from today. Need to crack open another case of ammo, another case of beer, and reload all my mags for tomorrow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By assaultdog0351:
Originally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By assaultdog0351:
Griffin Optimus. About 2k 9mm via pistol About 500 5.56 from a 10.5" in long configuration with a taper mount comp About 1,000 5.56 from a 10.5" in mid configuration with micro 3 prong flash hider taper mount. About 50 6.5 creedmoor 100 7.62x51 from 18" with paladin taper mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172640-781822.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172623-781825.jpghttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_172651-781826.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_175007-781827.jpg Lightly cleaned. Mid configuration with 3 prong seems to have sped things up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190048-781896.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190026-781952.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181222_190117-781953.jpg This is after the first 100 with 3 prong. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313258/20181215_170722-781903.jpg 
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Posted: 12/23/2018 12:44:00 AM EDT
[#48]
So at what point of erosion is replacement necessary? What if it completely erodes? Is catastrophic failure imminent?
How much junk can actually accumulate in the can before it loses a noticable amount of performance? How much weight gain would that equate to on a typical (standard size) 5.56 can? |
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Posted: 12/23/2018 2:10:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Effenpig]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FritzTKatt:
So at what point of erosion is replacement necessary? What if it completely erodes? Is catastrophic failure imminent? How much junk can actually accumulate in the can before it loses a noticable amount of performance? How much weight gain would that equate to on a typical (standard size) 5.56 can? All your questions depend on the design of the can itself and could only be answered on a can by can basis, if at all. Internal volume, baffle design, etc. You would have to know how much of the theoretical buildup would be lead and how much would be carbon. Without knowing that you can't know weight vs. volume which mean you cant know at what weight sound performance will degrade. Eta: not sure what the part in red is supposed to mean. What does "completely erodes" mean"? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2018 2:22:36 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FritzTKatt:
So at what point of erosion is replacement necessary? What if it completely erodes? Is catastrophic failure imminent? How much junk can actually accumulate in the can before it loses a noticable amount of performance? How much weight gain would that equate to on a typical (standard size) 5.56 can? I think you would need to severely erode more than one baffle before you notice a significant change in performance, but I am not an expert by any means. |
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