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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2021 12:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAlways wondered if that would work....thanks that looks awesome. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 12:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: They popped up sometime yesterday evening. I snagged one and by the morning the listing was taken down. @unclemoak thanks for taking the time to get these done! I've searched high and low for one of these, and almost parted mine out because I thought it would never come to fruition. After profile and chop I can officially call mine finished! The link that was active wasn't for the masses, only a small list of pre-orders that Rail Scales collected over a year ago. Those that decided to order one without being on the list, got their orders canceled. The balance of collars will be sold to the masses next week. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 12:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unclemoak: The link that was active wasn't for the masses, only a small list of pre-orders that Rail Scales collected over a year ago. Those that decided to order one without being on the list, got their orders canceled. The balance of collars will be sold to the masses next week. Cool, thanks Dave. |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 12:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unclemoak: The link that was active wasn't for the masses, only a small list of pre-orders that Rail Scales collected over a year ago. Those that decided to order one without being on the list, got their orders canceled. The balance of collars will be sold to the masses next week. Even dwilson can't resist the "limited drop hype beast" business model that is taking over..  (That's a joke). Looking forward to getting one of these. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2021 1:46:47 PM EDT
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Well..... Shit
Thought I was on the ball! |
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Posted: 5/6/2021 4:00:05 PM EDT
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Finally got all these assembled.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/6/2021 4:04:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoes that mean you don't have to cancel my order and just sit on it until next week? 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou doing another run of these or one time thing? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:40:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stainlineho: You doing another run of these or one time thing? One time deal. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2021 4:39:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2021 5:02:51 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2021 5:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoesn't even include the brake and collar. What a chump. I'm all for flipping stuff for a little profit but that's redic. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 5:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Doesn't even include the brake and collar. What a chump. I'm all for flipping stuff for a little profit but that's redic. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2021 5:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reiko: Those are joke bids right?! Lots of wealthy people on Gunbroker. The few times I’ve sold items on there for way over MSRP, every time it was a doctor buying the item. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Doesn't even include the brake and collar. What a chump. I'm all for flipping stuff for a little profit but that's redic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Doesn't even include the brake and collar. What a chump. I'm all for flipping stuff for a little profit but that's redic. Well, the guy selling did not set the price. This guy has how many bids and 6 days left to go? The one thing about gunbroker: It is reflective of the true market. Hate to say it, but nothing is more pure than a willing buyer and a willing seller. But, (echo that comment), WOW !! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 6:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: Well, the guy selling did not set the price. This guy has how many bids and 6 days left to go? The one thing about gunbroker: It is reflective of the true market. Hate to say it, but nothing is more pure than a willing buyer and a willing seller. But, (echo that comment), WOW !! Yea I didn't read it fully. Looks like TungODung really wants that thing. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 1:23:17 PM EDT
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ima need two collars. one for a new Colt 14.5" M4 SOCOM....
and another for a rare mint 16" factory Colt 16" SOCOM. have an original OpsInc model 12 and its coupler but no collar. will these work? any still available? thanks! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 1:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote Historyima need two collars. one for a new Colt 14.5" M4 SOCOM.... and another for a rare mint 16" factory Colt 16" SOCOM. have an original OpsInc model 12 and its coupler but no collar. will these work? any still available? thanks! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 4:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo where can these be found at? |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 6:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Yea I didn't read it fully. Looks like TungODung really wants that thing. So, I am always suspcious as well. That guy, no auction history. Smells like a welch waiting to happen. The smart sellers tell these guys with 0 rating that they have to qualify first. TungODung NR |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2021 6:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz: So, I am always suspcious as well. That guy, no auction history. Smells like a welch waiting to happen. The smart sellers tell these guys with 0 rating that they have to qualify first. TungODung NR Or he is shilling. 3 bids in a row. Sketchy. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2021 12:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryPretty bad ass for those guys going for that legit late 70s early 80s commando carbine look. I can't lie kinda tempted to snag one myself if any extras were available. I had Ron cut me a custom collar for my 12.5 upper but I could be tempted to do another 12.5 barrel with an A1 receiver instead of another flat top. I like the idea of a "Gordon" carbine. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2021 11:22:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeremywills: Pretty bad ass for those guys going for that legit late 70s early 80s commando carbine look. I can't lie kinda tempted to snag one myself if any extras were available. I had Ron cut me a custom collar for my 12.5 upper but I could be tempted to do another 12.5 barrel with an A1 receiver instead of another flat top. I like the idea of a "Gordon" carbine. Link |
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Posted: 5/11/2021 9:25:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jeremywills: Pretty bad ass for those guys going for that legit late 70s early 80s commando carbine look. I can't lie kinda tempted to snag one myself if any extras were available. I had Ron cut me a custom collar for my 12.5 upper but I could be tempted to do another 12.5 barrel with an A1 receiver instead of another flat top. I like the idea of a "Gordon" carbine. Check with unclemoak about barrel dimensions with that collar. 12.5" is too short. uxb |
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Posted: 5/11/2021 10:25:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uxb: Check with unclemoak about barrel dimensions with that collar. 12.5" is too short. uxb uxb is correct, the 3 piece collar requires a ~12.7" barrel, I say roughly because the OAL is determined by how close to the FSB you can get the collar to sit (this varies by FSB casting/forging) then the OAL is set from the front of the collar to the muzzle. They are in the 12.7" range, but can vary up to 0.02" longer or shorter. It's best to start with a 14.5" or 16" barrel and cut it down to length. |
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Posted: 5/11/2021 11:18:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unclemoak: uxb is correct, the 3 piece collar requires a ~12.7" barrel, I say roughly because the OAL is determined by how close to the FSB you can get the collar to sit (this varies by FSB casting/forging) then the OAL is set from the front of the collar to the muzzle. They are in the 12.7" range, but can vary up to 0.02" longer or shorter. It's best to start with a 14.5" or 16" barrel and cut it down to length. Thanks for sharing this. Good information to have and allows me to source a barrel. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2021 6:36:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unclemoak: uxb is correct, the 3 piece collar requires a ~12.7" barrel, I say roughly because the OAL is determined by how close to the FSB you can get the collar to sit (this varies by FSB casting/forging) then the OAL is set from the front of the collar to the muzzle. They are in the 12.7" range, but can vary up to 0.02" longer or shorter. It's best to start with a 14.5" or 16" barrel and cut it down to length. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 4:31:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DackJaniels]
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Turns out a friend of a friend has an AEM5 and let me try it on my build and with a crush washer it wasn’t even hitting the collar. Without the crush washer I got like 14? turns I think? This is on my 16” Douglas with the appropriate contour for AEM5 but I’m not sure if it’s the collar or what?
ETA: I’be been up too late and had a four hour drive and just got home. I’m guessing I’m an idiot and just need a shim about half the size of the crush washer don’t I? Leaving my stupidity up ETA #2: if I time the hider correctly, can I loctite/rockset it without a spacer? The hider only goes about 15-30° past where it needs to be. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 6:27:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Turns out a friend of a friend has an AEM5 and let me try it on my build and with a crush washer it wasn’t even hitting the collar. Without the crush washer I got like 14? turns I think? This is on my 16” Douglas with the appropriate contour for AEM5 but I’m not sure if it’s the collar or what? ETA: I’be been up too late and had a four hour drive and just got home. I’m guessing I’m an idiot and just need a shim about half the size of the crush washer don’t I? Leaving my stupidity up Sounds like your collar has too much set back. Could have been a custom collar. Did you buy new or used? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 6:29:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Sounds like your collar has too much set back. Could have been a custom collar. Did you buy new or used? Barrel was bought used, I tried two different short collars |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 7:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Barrel was bought used, I tried two different short collars Sounds like your step is too far back then. You would need the opposite of a shim on the muzzle. Need to bring the collar closer to the brake. Ron might have custom collars lying around. We all know he is busy as hell but it's worth a shot. |
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Posted: 5/14/2021 8:55:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Barrel was bought used, I tried two different short collars Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Sounds like your collar has too much set back. Could have been a custom collar. Did you buy new or used? Barrel was bought used, I tried two different short collars Take a ruler or even better a set of calipers and measure from the muzzle to the shoulder where the collar stops. It should be 2.4". With the collar installed, it should be 2.5" from the muzzle to the beginning of the taper. This is the easiest way to figure out if your problem is the barrel or the collar. |
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Posted: 5/14/2021 10:36:07 AM EDT
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Dave, when are you going to start turning collars? At this point I'd bet Ron would be ecstatic to lighten his load and at some point @bigbore is going to retire.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 11:12:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unclemoak: Take a ruler or even better a set of calipers and measure from the muzzle to the shoulder where the collar stops. It should be 2.4". With the collar installed, it should be 2.5" from the muzzle to the beginning of the taper. This is the easiest way to figure out if your problem is the barrel or the collar. Just measured from tip of muzzle to taper was 2.75”. Guessing this will require a custom collar. Is it best to email or call Ron for these things? |
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Posted: 5/14/2021 11:56:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Just measured from tip of muzzle to taper was 2.75”. Guessing this will require a custom collar. Is it best to email or call Ron for these things? "Custom Collars" is a bottomless pit of hassle. Im pretty sure Ron stopped doing custom collars. 8 out of 10 people cant use calipers and when they do fit based on customer info, there is no guarantee it will be straight. The biggest problem is the abundance of shitty barrels people love to buy anymore that have no consistency. You can make a collar that is concentric to the barrel, but when the bore is off center it's still no good. The only sure way to do it is to contour the barrel concentric the length you need the collar and make a collar that fits that contour and stops on that shoulder. The BEST thing to do to mount an AE can is buy a barrel that is too long. Then have the threads and contour cut concentric to the bore for use with a custom made collar for that barrel. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 12:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Just measured from tip of muzzle to taper was 2.75”. Guessing this will require a custom collar. Is it best to email or call Ron for these things? You need calipers that measure to 1/1000 of an inch. |
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Posted: 5/14/2021 1:55:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: "Custom Collars" is a bottomless pit of hassle. Im pretty sure Ron stopped doing custom collars. 8 out of 10 people cant use calipers and when they do fit based on customer info, there is no guarantee it will be straight. The biggest problem is the abundance of shitty barrels people love to buy anymore that have no consistency. You can make a collar that is concentric to the barrel, but when the bore is off center it's still no good. The only sure way to do it is to contour the barrel concentric the length you need the collar and make a collar that fits that contour and stops on that shoulder. The BEST thing to do to mount an AE can is buy a barrel that is too long. Then have the threads and contour cut concentric to the bore for use with a custom made collar for that barrel. I share the same sentiment. You'd be surprised how all over the place barrels are. I just had an "M4" profile barrel that was one dimension in front of the M203 cut and significantly smaller behind the cut 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 2:12:13 PM EDT
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I still try and do specials. It's easy to do but I have to try and do it on Sundays if I have a machine open.
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Posted: 5/14/2021 2:29:59 PM EDT
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I love calling Ron for collars for barrels that are all out of whack. He tries so politely to be sure that the barrel is truly all messed up as opposed to me just being an idiot.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 2:48:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DackJaniels]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: I still try and do specials. It's easy to do but I have to try and do it on Sundays if I have a machine open. Ron would it be best/possible to just send the barrel to you to get proper measurements? I wouldn’t want to take a Sunday from you. If possible I wouldn’t care how long you had to hold onto it, I’m a get it right the first time kinda guy. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 5:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DackJaniels: Ron would it be best/possible to just send the barrel to you to get proper measurements? I wouldn’t want to take a Sunday from you. If possible I wouldn’t care how long you had to hold onto it, I’m a get it right the first time kinda guy. Really not necessary. Just get quality calipers from Home Depot and do the 3 measures. If your measurements are on point the collar will work fine. Been there done that with Ron and giving him poor measurements. He is super helpful, just use quality calipers. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 9:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stainlineho: Really not necessary. Just get quality calipers from Home Depot and do the 3 measures. If your measurements are on point the collar will work fine. Been there done that with Ron and giving him poor measurements. He is super helpful, just use quality calipers.  yes, this
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Posted: 5/14/2021 10:02:31 PM EDT
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Is 2.5 turns with an AEM5 good enough? I know more is desirable. It's on a CLE barrel.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2021 11:34:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Is 2.5 turns with an AEM5 good enough? I know more is desirable. It's on a CLE barrel. I have a collar that will correct that. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2021 6:18:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Is 2.5 turns with an AEM5 good enough? I know more is desirable. It's on a CLE barrel. Definitely take Ron up on his collar offer. That is disappointing to have such poor contouring coming from CLE. Wonder if they are having labor issues. |
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Posted: 5/15/2021 7:16:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Is 2.5 turns with an AEM5 good enough? I know more is desirable. It's on a CLE barrel. What muzzle device and what did you use to time it? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2021 9:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: "Custom Collars" is a bottomless pit of hassle. Im pretty sure Ron stopped doing custom collars. 8 out of 10 people cant use calipers and when they do fit based on customer info, there is no guarantee it will be straight. The biggest problem is the abundance of shitty barrels people love to buy anymore that have no consistency. You can make a collar that is concentric to the barrel, but when the bore is off center it's still no good. The only sure way to do it is to contour the barrel concentric the length you need the collar and make a collar that fits that contour and stops on that shoulder. The BEST thing to do to mount an AE can is buy a barrel that is too long. Then have the threads and contour cut concentric to the bore for use with a custom made collar for that barrel. When your that 2 out of 10 people that can read a caliper don't use a shitty one from Harbor Freight. Learned that lesson. Fortunately after using a micrometer which is a better tool anyway Ron was able to make me a second collar that fit like a glove. I'd agree with you that having a custom cut collar and barrel chopped down together from a reputable shop is the best approach. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2021 1:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Is 2.5 turns with an AEM5 good enough? I know more is desirable. It's on a CLE barrel. That is way off spec. Something is not right. CLE knows how to turn an SPR profile. You have something on that is not quite right. Maybe your CLE barrel is not SPR profile ? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2021 3:57:48 PM EDT
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Most likely 2.2" to the step. That would make it 5 turns too short. 2.2" to 2.3" is common. Old military screw up
that keeps getting copied. |
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SOM
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Posted: 5/15/2021 4:00:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: boltcatch]
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It doesn't help that the steps on a lot of barrels these days are super small, resulting in a lot more effort required for a collar that will fit properly even if the bore is concentric enough to the exterior contour.
There was a long period where I wondered if the juice was worth the squeeze in setup for these, but after a decade and a half of ownership I think the reduced OAL, backpressure, and accuracy results are worth it. I'm on my 4th and 5th barrel and collar setups. |
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