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Posted: 2/18/2015 10:44:38 PM EDT
| This is going to be my first rimfire can , i can't find many reviews on the surefire ryder 22-a, so I can't make up my mind between the silencerco ss sparrow and the ryder. I want the quietest can with the lowest FRP , i dont care about weight or size , I'll eventually go the arfcom way and buy both , but right now im only buying one, so lets hear the pros and cons. |
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This is going to be my first rimfire can , i can't find many reviews on the surefire ryder 22-a, so I can't make up my mind between the silencerco ss sparrow and the ryder. I want the quietest can with the lowest FRP , i dont care about weight or size , I'll eventually go the arfcom way and buy both , but right now im only buying one, so lets hear the pros and cons. If your lookimg for the quietest, its not either of those. That being said, both are fine suppressors and will make you grin ear to ear. |
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I own both the Spectre II and Upgraded Sparrow. I like the Spectre II more as it sounds quieter on pistols. Sparrow is lighter. Both are mouse fart quiet on rifles. My vote is for the Spectre II for your first .22 can. Glad to hear that. I just sent in payment for one today. |
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As previously stated, if low FRP is important, forget the Sparrow.
I went with the Warlock II. If weight isn't a concern, look at its steel twin, the Spectre II. I can tell you that an 8oz can makes a big difference in the balance of a .22 pistol while the 3oz Warlock II is barely noticeable. |
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FRP is quite a bit lower on the Spectre when compared to the Sparrow. I have 3 Sparrows and would gladly trade one of them for a Spectre. However, my Form 1 homemade rim fire can is quieter than both of them and has NO FRP. Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. |
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Is there something out there with the weight of the warlock, the FRP of the spectre and the durability of the sparrow ?   , im ordering one today, but which one??? I think you're going to find that the suppressor world is about compromises and there isn't one do-it-all can. .... otherwise we'd all have multiples of it 
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Quoted: Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. Quoted: Quoted: FRP is quite a bit lower on the Spectre when compared to the Sparrow. I have 3 Sparrows and would gladly trade one of them for a Spectre. However, my Form 1 homemade rim fire can is quieter than both of them and has NO FRP. Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. Break it down, links and pics if you have them please!  |
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Is there something out there with the weight of the warlock, the FRP of the spectre and the durability of the sparrow ? , im ordering one today, but which one???The performance and FRP of the Warlock is basically the same as the Spectre. They are the exact same design, made of different materials. The advantage of the Spectre are that you can shoot .22 mag, .22 Hornet, 5.7, etc. Does that option interest you? It didn't me as I have no real use for those cartridges and no interest in shooting supersonic rounds through a suppressor. There are also more cleaning options with a steel can but that advantage is wildly overstated, IMO and certainly not enough to offset the weight difference for my uses. |
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Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. Quoted:
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FRP is quite a bit lower on the Spectre when compared to the Sparrow. I have 3 Sparrows and would gladly trade one of them for a Spectre. However, my Form 1 homemade rim fire can is quieter than both of them and has NO FRP. Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. I will break it down with pics tonight when I get home. My build consisted of.... 1 - SD Tactical 6" C-Cell aluminum tube. 2 - SD Tactical End Caps (1/2"x28 threaded for 22lr) 6 - 1" freeze plugs 1" spacer material |
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As previously stated, if low FRP is important, forget the Sparrow. I went with the Warlock II. If weight isn't a concern, look at its steel twin, the Spectre II. I can tell you that an 8oz can makes a big difference in the balance of a .22 pistol while the 3oz Warlock II is barely noticeable. Absolutely. My Pilot is almost undetectable on my 22/45 MkIII, but the Sparrow on my M&P22 feels substantial. Of course, it's still not 'heavy', and sort of feels good on there. But there is a BIG difference between the two. The Sparrow is shorter than the Spectre II, but has more of a FRP. Both are easy to take apart when dirty, and can handle the "hotter" rimfires. |
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Ruger mark III 22/45 , easiness to clean is important ( 200-300 between cleanings) . Element II I've got a Sparrow and Element II. For a pistol host I'd go with the Element. I've got a Ryder 22A in jail, so I can't comment on its sound yet, but if I could only have one can it would be the Element. Quiet, no FRP, fairly easy to clean (Sparrow is easier) and light weight. |
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Quoted: I will break it down with pics tonight when I get home. My build consisted of.... 1 - SD Tactical 6" C-Cell aluminum tube. 2 - SD Tactical End Caps (1/2"x28 threaded for 22lr) 6 - 1" freeze plugs 1" spacer material Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: FRP is quite a bit lower on the Spectre when compared to the Sparrow. I have 3 Sparrows and would gladly trade one of them for a Spectre. However, my Form 1 homemade rim fire can is quieter than both of them and has NO FRP. Have you posted a thread with the details of your homemade can? I'm thinking about trying one myself. I will break it down with pics tonight when I get home. My build consisted of.... 1 - SD Tactical 6" C-Cell aluminum tube. 2 - SD Tactical End Caps (1/2"x28 threaded for 22lr) 6 - 1" freeze plugs 1" spacer material |
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We all want that magical can that does everything but it hasn't happened yet. The Element 2 was designed to be a pistol can and has the lowest FRP.
It is not the easiest to take apart and clean but it is by no means hard to do so. Cleaning the baffles can be easily done with soda blasting or tumbling. |
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page 2 wants to know why you suggested this |
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I came here to ask between the Sparrow and the Ryder and I just ordered the Spectre , thank you for all the answers, I think the FRP would've bother me , so you are probably right and this is a better option , I looked at the warlock but 3 more ounces don't bother me and I rather have SS than aluminum .
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As previously stated, if low FRP is important, forget the Sparrow. I went with the Warlock II. If weight isn't a concern, look at its steel twin, the Spectre II. I can tell you that an 8oz can makes a big difference in the balance of a .22 pistol while the 3oz Warlock II is barely noticeable. The Spectre 2 is only 6.8 oz OP… Good choice on the Spectre2. I have a Sparrow and a Spectre2 and I prefer the Spectre2. Though I am glad I own both 
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Disclaimer: owner of Sparrow SS, Element 2, and Specter 2.
IMO, the Element 2 is the perfect fusion of suppression, size, & weight. The Sparrow is short, easiest to clean, but FRP doesn't give you the jaw drop factor when showing it to folks. Spectre 2 is in between in terms of cleaning but pushes the limits IMO in terms of length (at least for pistols). If someone made an Element 2 that was completely toolless takedown it would be perfect IMO. I'll say this, and I've said it before, if I'm trying to impress someone I bring to the range, I always seem to reach for the Element 2, I think that says something. I don't get the point of those aluminum baffled 22 cans. I'm pretty adverse to heavy guns/cans but these steel baffled cans are still so lightweight I can't imagine I'll ever give up the cleaning/durability benefits for the imperceptible weight savings of Al. |
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Disclaimer: owner of Sparrow SS, Element 2, and Specter 2. IMO, the Element 2 is the perfect fusion of suppression, size, & weight. The Sparrow is short, easiest to clean, but FRP doesn't give you the jaw drop factor when showing it to folks. Spectre 2 is in between in terms of cleaning but pushes the limits IMO in terms of length (at least for pistols). If someone made an Element 2 that was completely toolless takedown it would be perfect IMO. I'll say this, and I've said it before, if I'm trying to impress someone I bring to the range, I always seem to reach for the Element 2, I think that says something. I don't get the point of those aluminum baffled 22 cans. I'm pretty adverse to heavy guns/cans but these steel baffled cans are still so lightweight I can't imagine I'll ever give up the cleaning/durability benefits for the imperceptible weight savings of Al. The weight difference is certainly not imperceptible, especially on a lightweight .22 pistol. Four or five more ounces doesn't sound like much but when it's all forward of the muzzle it's very noticeable. |
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page 2 wants to know why you suggested this I suggested it because I shot one next to a Sparrow and a Spectre and bought the Genesis.To my untrained ear, the Genesis was quieter with no deviation in sound from first round to last on multiple hosts (Browning Buckmark, Ruger 10/22, Savage FVSR). It weighing 3.9 oz in the aluminum version didn't hurt either. And I have no affiliation with the company, they just happen to be in my home state. |
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I suggested it because I shot one next to a Sparrow and a Spectre and bought the Genesis.To my untrained ear, the Genesis was quieter with no deviation in sound from first round to last on multiple hosts (Browning Buckmark, Ruger 10/22, Savage FVSR). It weighing 3.9 oz in the aluminum version didn't hurt either. And I have no affiliation with the company, they just happen to be in my home state. Quoted:
I suggested it because I shot one next to a Sparrow and a Spectre and bought the Genesis.To my untrained ear, the Genesis was quieter with no deviation in sound from first round to last on multiple hosts (Browning Buckmark, Ruger 10/22, Savage FVSR). It weighing 3.9 oz in the aluminum version didn't hurt either. And I have no affiliation with the company, they just happen to be in my home state. Cool |
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