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8/14/2013 10:38:05 AM EDT
So, I was down at my local class 3 filling out a form 4 for my first suppressor last night (yeah I know what the fuck took so long), and he mentioned some new news from the ATF.
It seems they've hired new examiners and hope to have them trained up toward the end of September. Bringing the number of examiners from 10 to 28.

Anyone else heard anything about this?
8/14/2013 11:08:46 AM EDT
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So, I was down at my local class 3 filling out a form 4 for my first suppressor last night (yeah I know what the fuck took so long), and he mentioned some new news from the ATF.
It seems they've hired new examiners and hope to have them trained up toward the end of September. Bringing the number of examiners from 10 to 28.

Anyone else heard anything about this?
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Katie at Major Malfunction told me about this last week
8/14/2013 11:56:22 AM EDT
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Time for me to send in 10 or more form 1's  to slow things down
8/14/2013 12:05:21 PM EDT
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So, I was down at my local class 3 filling out a form 4 for my first suppressor last night (yeah I know what the fuck took so long), and he mentioned some new news from the ATF.
It seems they've hired new examiners and hope to have them trained up toward the end of September. Bringing the number of examiners from 10 to 28.

Anyone else heard anything about this?
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If this is true, that would be awesome.
8/14/2013 12:21:18 PM EDT
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8/14/2013 1:05:13 PM EDT
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Because that would make a huge amount of sense, and because I'm dubious of the ability of my government to do anything that makes sense, I'm going to go all Missouri on you and say that I'll believe it when I see it.
8/14/2013 2:02:25 PM EDT
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Because that would make a huge amount of sense, and because I'm dubious of the ability of my government to do anything that makes sense, I'm going to go all Missouri on you and say that I'll believe it when I see it.
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Understandable.

8/14/2013 2:44:23 PM EDT
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Been hearing this for the last 8-10 months.
8/14/2013 3:15:19 PM EDT
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So, I was down at my local class 3 filling out a form 4 for my first suppressor last night (yeah I know what the fuck took so long), and he mentioned some new news from the ATF.
It seems they've hired new examiners and hope to have them trained up toward the end of September. Bringing the number of examiners from 10 to 28.

Anyone else heard anything about this?
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I have heard it several times in the past 2 years. Just like the NO-CLEO signoff rumor.....

The country is in sequestration, it is highly unlikely they are getting additional funding.
8/14/2013 3:25:44 PM EDT
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Sounds like a perfect time to send in a form for my sbr.

Can you register a lower as being an sbr before actually having the upper though. I know what size I want just haven't been able to find it in stock when I have the money. I already have a spare lower that was going to be made into a pistol until I wanted to mess with the nfa stuff.
8/14/2013 3:28:16 PM EDT
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Sounds like a perfect time to send in a form for my sbr.

Can you register a lower as being an sbr before actually having the upper though.
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Yes that is how you are supposed to do it - make it after you have approval.
8/14/2013 3:33:14 PM EDT
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That's cool and all if true, but think about how backlogged they are NOW. Even with the fabled new examiners, it would probably be awhile before we started seeing faster turn arounds.
8/14/2013 3:35:00 PM EDT
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It would be awesome to get a lot of new examiners. I was planning on getting a SBR 300 Blackout and a suppressor around Christmas, so hopefully they would be all caught up by then. However, like others, I am a little skeptical.
8/15/2013 6:28:07 AM EDT
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That's cool and all if true, but think about how backlogged they are NOW. Even with the fabled new examiners, it would probably be awhile before we started seeing faster turn arounds.
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Key word in red.
8/15/2013 8:51:50 AM EDT
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I have heard it several times in the past 2 years. Just like the NO-CLEO signoff rumor.....

The country is in sequestration, it is highly unlikely they are getting additional funding.
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So, I was down at my local class 3 filling out a form 4 for my first suppressor last night (yeah I know what the fuck took so long), and he mentioned some new news from the ATF.
It seems they've hired new examiners and hope to have them trained up toward the end of September. Bringing the number of examiners from 10 to 28.

Anyone else heard anything about this?


I have heard it several times in the past 2 years. Just like the NO-CLEO signoff rumor.....

The country is in sequestration, it is highly unlikely they are getting additional funding.


This...
8/15/2013 4:03:42 PM EDT
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That is more of a constantly running rumor that they are hiring more help blah, blah, blah.  It hasnt happened in the past two years no reason to beleive this may be true.  I am not saying I dont want it to happen but as stated before I will beleive it when I see it.  If it does happen I will be sending out two form1's asap.
8/15/2013 6:59:39 PM EDT
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  

Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.

MAHA
8/16/2013 11:51:29 AM EDT
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  

Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.

MAHA
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What Eform?
8/16/2013 1:58:15 PM EDT
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  
Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.
MAHA

What Eform?


This eForm

ATF Started to allow submissions that dont require CLEO sign off, Fingerprints, or Photos to use the eForm.

MAHA
8/16/2013 4:22:35 PM EDT
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  

Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.

MAHA
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I am waiting do to a lack of motivation in the projected wait.  I know that makes no sense to do that but there it is.  I know I need to send off the forms but the rush or importance is not there for me right now for some reason.  It may be the lack of ammo this year has dampened my shooting spirits, been doing alot more to my bike and car this year because of it.
8/16/2013 6:09:51 PM EDT
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This eForm

ATF Started to allow submissions that dont require CLEO sign off, Fingerprints, or Photos to use the eForm.

MAHA
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  
Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.
MAHA

What Eform?


This eForm

ATF Started to allow submissions that dont require CLEO sign off, Fingerprints, or Photos to use the eForm.

MAHA


I sent one in the first day it was open. We will see.
8/17/2013 5:59:45 AM EDT
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I don't have a browser compatible with their web page.
8/18/2013 5:30:01 PM EDT
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Been trying to get their E-site to work for me (with a compatible browser) and no dice still...
8/19/2013 2:53:36 AM EDT
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I sent one in the first day it was open. We will see.
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Why wait to send off more Form 1's?  Send them off now and join the line.  Once the word is confirmed that they have been hired there will be thousdands of people "waiting" like you jumping in line and will end up in front of you.  With out the New Examiners the wait isnt getting any shorter...  
Look at what the eForms did.  I wasnt planning on doing another Form 1 but I sent one in on Monday. There are several others who have done the same.
MAHA

What Eform?


This eForm

ATF Started to allow submissions that dont require CLEO sign off, Fingerprints, or Photos to use the eForm.

MAHA


I sent one in the first day it was open. We will see.


Interesting. Dumb question. How is it setup for the payment of the tax stamp?
8/19/2013 3:20:10 AM EDT
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"Pay Via Plastic Card (PC) (ex: American Express, Discover, Mastercard, VISA) "
8/19/2013 8:18:00 AM EDT
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So more dumb question. So all the information needed is on the Form 4? Thanks.
8/19/2013 6:39:47 PM EDT
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So more dumb question. So all the information needed is on the Form 4? Thanks.
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Have to have aFFL/SOT to fill out the Form 4 Part.  Right now it wont work for Non-FFL to Non-FFL  or Non-FFL to FFL Form 4 transfers.

MAHA
8/19/2013 7:59:51 PM EDT
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So can my FFL fill out the F4 with my trust info..or is this only FFL to FFL?
8/20/2013 7:16:12 AM EDT
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^ This.
8/20/2013 5:58:17 PM EDT
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Yes your FFL/SOT will fill out the Form 4 and use your Trust info.  Bring your Trust Scaned so they can upload it. You pay with a Credit Card.

MAHA
8/20/2013 6:33:58 PM EDT
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Have to have aFFL/SOT to fill out the Form 4 Part.  Right now it wont work for Non-FFL to Non-FFL  or Non-FFL to FFL Form 4 transfers.

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So more dumb question. So all the information needed is on the Form 4? Thanks.


Have to have aFFL/SOT to fill out the Form 4 Part.  Right now it wont work for Non-FFL to Non-FFL  or Non-FFL to FFL Form 4 transfers.

MAHA


What about Form 1's?
8/20/2013 6:40:05 PM EDT
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It is true.  I'm on the board of the American Silencer Association and we met with the BATFE at SHOT and discussed this very issue.
Katie would know as Bryon Gaston(Major Malfunction) is also a board member.
It's good news as they have a running backlog many thousands of forms per month and actively fixing the problem.
I'm not 100% sure on the date but if December rolls around and there are no new people then you can tar and feather me.
8/21/2013 8:22:23 PM EDT
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So more dumb question. So all the information needed is on the Form 4? Thanks.

Have to have aFFL/SOT to fill out the Form 4 Part.  Right now it wont work for Non-FFL to Non-FFL  or Non-FFL to FFL Form 4 transfers.
MAHA

What about Form 1's?


Form 1's that do NOT require Photo/Fingerprint/CLEO sign off can use the eForm system.

MAHA
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