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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Saker vs Specwar (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/19/2013 5:07:33 PM EDT
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Which is the better value? Silencer Shop has the Saker w/ trifecta mount for $964. They also have the Specwar w/ trifecta mount for $550. Is the Saker really worth the $414 premium over the Specwar? I'm not a millionaire. I'm not even a home owner. ETA: The main thing that intrigues me about the Saker is that end cap strikes are an easy fix. I watched a SHOT show 2013 vid where the sales guy said anyone who shoots suppressed a lot gets end cap strikes, but they live with them b/c they don't want to send the can back for repair. How true is this statement? |
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IMO, the big benefit to the Saker is the interchangeable rear mount for people who already have multiple rifles with multiple mount types. The end cap issue is not a big deal.
I think the Specwar is a great suppressor for the price, and I really like the mount system. unless you really want the mount interchangeability, I would lean towards the specwar. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be-7ZUkbUhI I like the removable end caps on the Saker too, but it's also important that it suppress well. For me, another important aspect is that it's user-servicable, which the Saker and Specwar aren't. I may still pick up a Specwar because it's cheaper and suppresses well, but I'm mostly looking at user-servicable cans now. |
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Just buy the one you want. Let me explain what he probably means.... With the $200.00 tax and 7 month wait the NFA game is "buy once cry once" sort of thing. The Saker baffles are made of a stronger material so if you plan on shooting a lot out of an SBR it might not be a bad idea to go with the Saker. I like the removable end cap thing too. Either way I don't think you can go wrong. |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. Yeah I was shopping for the Saker and the thought of around 750 + a mount....it adds up fast. Whereas other suppressors come with mounts |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. Yeah I was shopping for the Saker and the thought of around 750 + a mount....it adds up fast. Whereas other suppressors come with mounts You have to figure in the cost of the MAAD assembly and mounts. Not cheap. I'm sure it's a great product and I have pretty much the entire SWR/SilencerCo line, but I'm going to wait a little while to purchase a Saker. |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. Yeah I was shopping for the Saker and the thought of around 750 + a mount....it adds up fast. Whereas other suppressors come with mounts You have to figure in the cost of the MAAD assembly and mounts. Not cheap. I'm sure it's a great product and I have pretty much the entire SWR/SilencerCo line, but I'm going to wait a little while to purchase a Saker. yeah and me personally i dont have other suppressors for 5.56 so interchangeability is no issue. |
| The ability to mount the Saker to multiple mounts is a selling point for me. I have barrels already pinned. Buying new mounts, having them pinned, having the old mount removed would incur too much cost. Plus I already have can specific mounts. I'm speculating that SilencerCo will have more mount adapters (MAAD) in the future. Heck, I'm going to have this silencer for life, might as well spend the few extra bucks now to cover myself hopefully. |
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I am glad this thread is here. I am expecting a package from silencershop today for a Spectre II, and was trying to decide if I wanted to spend the extra for the Saker. Since my only .223 rifle has a threaded barrel, it seems like the SWR will be perfect for me. It is also what silencershop suggested after explaining my 'wants'.
Damn this site is costing me a lot of money, Another question: Liiberty Torch or SWR Specwar? |
| I have a SpecWar in jail and will probably pick up a Saker at some point. With that said, I am using my SDN6 on m 5.56 rifles right now and just couldn't pass up the price of the SpecWar with a mount. Hell, even the mounts are significantly cheaper than my AAC mounts. I can probably sell off my 51t mounts, buy new SWR mounts, and pay for most of the can with the difference. I SBR instead of pinning mounts, so the mount issue isn't a big deal for me |
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I just had 3 Saker's come in to my partner's shop Monday. Unfortunately, we are waiting on the MAAD mounts so can't even shoot it yet.
I like the way the Saker goes on / off the mount. Looks like you do need access to the rear of the mount to remove/install so it can go underneath a rail unlike the Specwar. |
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I just had 3 Saker's come in to my partner's shop Monday. Unfortunately, we are waiting on the MAAD mounts so can't even shoot it yet. I like the way the Saker goes on / off the mount. Looks like you do need access to the rear of the mount to remove/install so it can go underneath a rail unlike the Specwar. Was just looking at some comparison videos and I like that you can just twist the suppressor to mount the saker just not sure if that alone is worth 400dollas extra to me (when including mount) problem with choosing a supressor is you get 6month wait time to kick yourself over a bad choice |
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I just had 3 Saker's come in to my partner's shop Monday. Unfortunately, we are waiting on the MAAD mounts so can't even shoot it yet. I like the way the Saker goes on / off the mount. Looks like you do need access to the rear of the mount to remove/install so it can go underneath a rail unlike the Specwar. I just noticed I mistyped and meant to say, "you do NOT need to access to the rear of the mount" |
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you won't go wrong with either one, both are good.
It will come down to $$$ and what else can you buy with the $414, if you go Specwar. vs. down the road I will buy, and will the Saker be better for that. I am more of a buy once cry once, BUT $414 could buy a .22 Sparrow can w/o stamp tough choice, but it is yours to make |
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you won't go wrong with either one, both are good. It will come down to $$$ and what else can you buy with the $414, if you go Specwar. vs. down the road I will buy, and will the Saker be better for that. I am more of a buy once cry once, BUT $414 could buy a .22 Sparrow can w/o stamp tough choice, but it is yours to make yeah and i want a sparrow too ....i hate making choices, cant i just have everything ! 
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I have been reading all of the posts and I thought I was set on a Saker but after looking at the Specwar it seems to be the clear choice for me.Since this will be my
first rifle can I dont have any other mounts so dont need the MAAD mount, the end cap is cool but not $400 cool,the Specwar is a little over a half inch longer which isnt that much,I do like the looks of the Saker better but I think I could get over that espeacially after watching a youtube vid that Silencerco made to compare the Saker,M4-2000 and the Specwar and the Specwar metered a little better than both of the other cans.I almost forgot the Specwar is suposedly using the same material as the Saker.Am I missing anything else in the differences? |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. The Saker baffles are a new type of material that Silencerco claims they don't have a name for yet. Not to mention the first baffle is redesigned that Silencerco claims to help with erosion. Youtube the Saker. Why would there be a huge price difference if physically both the cans are the same...aside from cosmetic differences. |
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The Saker is around $700. The $700 does not include a way to actually mount the can. You will need to spend another $200+ just to get the mount adapter. Also, according to some of the SWR/ SilencerCo posts, the SpecWar baffles are now the same as the Saker. I would go with the SpecWar unless you are really wanting to change mounting options on a regular basis. The Saker baffles are a new type of material that Silencerco claims they don't have a name for yet. Not to mention the first baffle is redesigned that Silencerco claims to help with erosion. Youtube the Saker. Why would there be a huge price difference if physically both the cans are the same...aside from cosmetic differences. My guess is the cost of machining the MAAD mounting system and hoplon blast baffle. This is the quote from SilencerCo on YouTube: "The Specwar's baffles are now the same alloy used in the Sakers. Much stronger than Inconel and Steel." |
| The Saker and Specwar baffles do use the same alloy however that is where the similarities end. The Saker uses our Hoplon blast baffle design that helps minimize erosion. The Saker performs really well in short barrel and FA applications. The MADD mount design, aesthetics of the out side of the can, Hoplon baffle design, included tools, and removable end cap all make the Saker a more expensive can for us to produce. The Specwar is an awesome, rugged, quiet can that will work well for most users. The Saker is more geared to offer better longevity in harsh firing situations and adapt to the users mounting preferences. It is also somewhat future proof as other mounting options may come on the market. |
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Asked weighs nearly as much as a NT4, if I were in the market for another 5.56 can it would be about 10 ounces lighter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The Saker and the Specwar are both below 20 oz. which is pretty much industry standard. The NT4 is 24 oz. (claimed). I bet it's actually heavier. If you want something in the 14 oz. range, are you willing to accept small and loud (ok, louder) or not so tough? |
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Asked weighs nearly as much as a NT4, if I were in the market for another 5.56 can it would be about 10 ounces lighter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The Saker and the Specwar are both below 20 oz. which is pretty much industry standard. The NT4 is 24 oz. (claimed). I bet it's actually heavier. If you want something in the 14 oz. range, are you willing to accept small and loud (ok, louder) or not so tough? I just weighed my Specwar made in Easley, Sc. Weighed 19oz with no mount on my postal scale. |
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Asked weighs nearly as much as a NT4, if I were in the market for another 5.56 can it would be about 10 ounces lighter. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The Saker and the Specwar are both below 20 oz. which is pretty much industry standard. The NT4 is 24 oz. (claimed). I bet it's actually heavier. If you want something in the 14 oz. range, are you willing to accept small and loud (ok, louder) or not so tough? I compared the Saker with thread mount attachment to my NT4 at the Silencers are Legal shoot in Dallas last year. By hand, Saker felt the same weight, and was longer than my NT4. The booth I was most impressed with was YHM. |
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does Hoplon refer to the shape of the baffle stack on the Saker? Hoplon refers to the shape. Only the Saker has it. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/271579/hoplon |
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How do I know if I am getting the newer baffle stack in my Specwar? Is this newer material also being called Hoplon in the Specwar, or does Hoplon refer to the shape of the baffle stack on the Saker? The bolded portion is something I would also be interested to know. |
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Quoted: Quoted: How do I know if I am getting the newer baffle stack in my Specwar? Is this newer material also being called Hoplon in the Specwar, or does Hoplon refer to the shape of the baffle stack on the Saker? The bolded portion is something I would also be interested to know. I called Silencerco w/ my serial number and they were able to tell me that I am getting the new version. |
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So just to confirm there is no way to mount a (762) SpecWar on a (556) saker flash hider, correct? The (2013) Specwars use a similar looking Trifecta RS mount as the Saker does but the SWR version has the external threads instead of the 4 lugs? It appears the Saker Trifecta mount is specific to the Saker. There is supposed to be a Saker mount for the SpecWar mounting system (ASR) so if you used that mount for the Saker the SpecWar 762 should fit as well but not if you use the Saker specific mount (w/o threads). |
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Quoted: So just to confirm there is no way to mount a (762) SpecWar on a (556) saker flash hider, correct? The (2013) Specwars use a similar looking Trifecta RS mount as the Saker does but the SWR version has the external threads instead of the 4 lugs? Correct. However, there will be a 7.62 Saker, and it should be able to swap mounts like the 5.56 version. If you already have a 7.62 Specwar, you are stuck with Specwar flash hiders / compensators. |
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I have neither but am wanting a saker (eventually) and a flash hider (now). I suppose I'll pick up a saker FH for now. e: yup. On saker trifecta on the way. More expensive than the vortex on it now but it won't ring, which is worth the $25 extra. And when I do get the Saker, I won't have to get an additional mount for it. |
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I purchased the SWR Specwar 556 and The SWR Specwar 762 they are in jail and I am glad I purchased them if I want the saker down the road I will buy it.Who has the 762 Specwar in stock? I've got two 556's 1 month into the ATF wait, but am looking for a 762 and can't seem to find anyone with them in stock. |
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I purchased the SWR Specwar 556 and The SWR Specwar 762 they are in jail and I am glad I purchased them if I want the saker down the road I will buy it.Who has the 762 Specwar in stock? I've got two 556's 1 month into the ATF wait, but am looking for a 762 and can't seem to find anyone with them in stock. I haven't seen/heard of a dealer who has actually received them yet. Supposed to be soon though. ETA: just saw on another forum where Andrew from SWR/Silencerco says the first batch is shipping this week. |
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I purchased the SWR Specwar 556 and The SWR Specwar 762 they are in jail and I am glad I purchased them if I want the saker down the road I will buy it.Who has the 762 Specwar in stock? I've got two 556's 1 month into the ATF wait, but am looking for a 762 and can't seem to find anyone with them in stock. I haven't seen/heard of a dealer who has actually received them yet. Supposed to be soon though. Mine was supposed to have them last week but I guess not. Hopefully this week. I've already paid for it and have the form 4 ready to go once I get the serial number. |
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Quoted: I have neither but am wanting a saker (eventually) and a flash hider (now). I suppose I'll pick up a saker FH for now. e: yup. On saker trifecta on the way. More expensive than the vortex on it now but it won't ring, which is worth the $25 extra. And when I do get the Saker, I won't have to get an additional mount for it. Where are you finding extra flash hiders? I thought all Trifecta Saker and Specwar flash hiders were dedicated to can purchases at this time. |
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The MAAD mounts are the ones having inventory issues. The FH is in stock at palmetto and at silencer shop. http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/12678/s/silencerco-trifecta-flash-hider-ac238/ (having trouble getting palmetto to load for me) Quoted: Quoted: I have neither but am wanting a saker (eventually) and a flash hider (now). I suppose I'll pick up a saker FH for now. e: yup. On saker trifecta on the way. More expensive than the vortex on it now but it won't ring, which is worth the $25 extra. And when I do get the Saker, I won't have to get an additional mount for it. Where are you finding extra flash hiders? I thought all Trifecta Saker and Specwar flash hiders were dedicated to can purchases at this time. |
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I have neither but am wanting a saker (eventually) and a flash hider (now). I suppose I'll pick up a saker FH for now. e: yup. On saker trifecta on the way. More expensive than the vortex on it now but it won't ring, which is worth the $25 extra. And when I do get the Saker, I won't have to get an additional mount for it. Where are you finding extra flash hiders? I thought all Trifecta Saker and Specwar flash hiders were dedicated to can purchases at this time. negative, but they've just started coming out I've got spares of both listed in the EE 
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I hope I made the right decision going with the Specwar over the Saker. That $400 difference can buy me a decent .22 bolt gun for my Spectre II. I will be upset if the Specwar's mounting system proves difficult to use (including making sure that the can is on tight enough to prevent end cap strikes). |
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I hope I made the right decision going with the Specwar over the Saker. That $400 difference can buy me a decent .22 bolt gun for my Spectre II. I will be upset if the Specwar's mounting system proves difficult to use (including making sure that the can is on tight enough to prevent end cap strikes). there is nothing difficult or awkward about the specwar's mount, don't sweat it screw on til it stops, twist to lock, you'll be happy with the can |
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Quoted: I have neither but am wanting a saker (eventually) and a flash hider (now). I suppose I'll pick up a saker FH for now. e: yup. On saker trifecta on the way. More expensive than the vortex on it now but it won't ring, which is worth the $25 extra. And when I do get the Saker, I won't have to get an additional mount for it. Have you done any comparison shooting at night? I wonder how the Trifecta compares to the Smith (which I consider to be the gold standard). |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Saker vs Specwar (Page 1 of 2)
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