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7/29/2012 4:00:57 PM EDT
So I loaded up on Federal Lake City 55gr xm193 brown box. 3k rounds worth. When I shoot with my can the primers will blow/fall out and get jammed up in the weapon. It's fine with no can. Overgassed, no case bulge or hard recoil. A little marring on the case head from the bolt face at the extractor, thats all.
It is about 1 out of 20 rounds fired that are missing primers. Some clear the action and some stay in. There is no visable crimp on the primer cup and all 3k rounds are the same lot #.
Is there any need for major concern? I will only use this unsuppressed for range ammo. I have PMC that runs great with my can.
7/29/2012 4:05:58 PM EDT
[#1]
I have exactly the same issue using Lake City in my suppressed AR.  The rifle has a switch block so it's not overgassed, but it still blows primers.  It's worse when I rapid fire 2-3 round bursts.

I use PMC for suppressed shooting without issue.
7/29/2012 4:09:18 PM EDT
[#2]
Nice. I will save my Xtac for the can and shoot up and trade the Federal. Thanks, and I'm sorry you are suffering the same crap.
7/29/2012 4:57:52 PM EDT
[#3]
One primer made it's way into the bolt carrier completely locking up the rifle.  I couldn't even get the upper off.  That ruined my shooting for the day.
7/29/2012 5:14:57 PM EDT
[#4]
I had one go into the barrel extension so the bolt stayed open. I tried to shoot twice with just a click when the hammer dropped. I could not see the problem so I went home. With a flashlight I saw a primer stuck in the extension and tapped it out. Today I had one jam into a  bolt lug with a fresh round chambered. The BCG would not seat and I dug the primer out with my multitool.
Shoots great with the can off. No issues at all other than more noise and a loss of coolness.
I would be pissed if I was on a two way range. I love my can, but it would come off fast.
7/29/2012 5:35:04 PM EDT
[#5]
All of that happened to me, too - at least once per mag.  That Lake City is a little too hot for my rifle with the can on.
7/29/2012 5:54:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Well c'mon up and we can shoot up all of this Federal. Ride the ferry out of Wa. and you can bring some more PMC. I'll take you out for a tour ok AK.
7/29/2012 6:01:22 PM EDT
[#7]
Ha ha, sounds good.  All my friends have already been up your way, I just haven't had the chance...  yet.
7/30/2012 1:13:34 PM EDT
[#8]
I blow primers on federal XM193 when using it in a rifle with a can on as well. i'm scared to try out the 3k i bought from brownells when it was on sale for a price too good to pass up.
7/31/2012 10:55:48 AM EDT
[#9]
High pressure malfunctions, YIKES!

High pressure malfunctions combined with a suppressor, DOUBLE YIKES!!

I'm assuming this also applies to the black box shit I bought at Walmart, and also my M855 green tip, as it is also a high power load?

Scary to me. Good to know.

~WTS
7/31/2012 12:07:29 PM EDT
[#10]
What barrels are you guys running?  I had this issue with a CMMG barrel which turned out to be from a tight chamber, issue was non-existent in Colt, LMT, KAC, and DD barrels.  I shoot with a KAC NT4 suppressor and M855 ball almost exclusively.
7/31/2012 4:01:09 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
What barrels are you guys running?  I had this issue with a CMMG barrel which turned out to be from a tight chamber, issue was non-existent in Colt, LMT, KAC, and DD barrels.  I shoot with a KAC NT4 suppressor and M855 ball almost exclusively.


Noveske N4 16" chrome lined / switch block with SPR/M4 suppressor.

The blown primers also rears it's ugly head on my Noveske CQB 10.5" stainless during bump firing.

I have a Bushmaster Carbon 15 SBR 7.5" with nearly 20K rounds through it that won't blow primers with this ammo no matter what I do.  The fireballs are beyond rediculous though.
7/31/2012 4:44:35 PM EDT
[#12]
This is the first time with this ammo and the first time with blown primers. I have shot about 2k of PMC bronze and XTac with no issues. I had a case of loose 556 that went through fine. 11.5"bbl and a YHM can. Clean chamber and adjustable gas tube dialed way down. I shot 500 rnds of 556 XTac and got bored with only recoil and hearing the steel plate ding. I know it's the ammo.
7/31/2012 5:24:19 PM EDT
[#13]
FWIW, I shoot the same Federal Lake City ammo in my suppressed LMT piston 12" CQB without any primer issue.   Just got through with a 700 rd class without a single incident of any kind.
8/1/2012 11:46:39 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
This is the first time with this ammo and the first time with blown primers. I have shot about 2k of PMC bronze and XTac with no issues. I had a case of loose 556 that went through fine. 11.5"bbl and a YHM can. Clean chamber and adjustable gas tube dialed way down. I shot 500 rnds of 556 XTac and got bored with only recoil and hearing the steel plate ding. I know it's the ammo.


Might want to check over in the reloading forum (even though this is factory ammo).  The majority of a pressure spike/curve is when the bullet travels in the first few inches of the barrel, before it ever reaches the can.  The only additional pressure should be from the bullet pushing the air column out of the barrel, which is slowed by the can (try blowing through a can from the threaded end).  I've avoided XTAC because of it's PSD brass (korean) and issues I had with that stuff while deployed.  While I'd be willing to try it...it's the same price as LC stuff and I haven't had any issues with my 11.5" Noveske / 762SDN6 combo.
8/1/2012 12:41:18 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
What barrels are you guys running?  I had this issue with a CMMG barrel which turned out to be from a tight chamber, issue was non-existent in Colt, LMT, KAC, and DD barrels.  I shoot with a KAC NT4 suppressor and M855 ball almost exclusively.


DD 10.3
8/1/2012 6:19:21 PM EDT
[#16]
My hubby deals with these issues all of the time as a Smith. He says the Throat is too tight and needs to be opened up some. There is a chance accuracy will decrease but it will make the primers stop popping.

Some AR's do this even before adding a suppressor but its normally when using 5.56 in a tight chambered .223 or 5.56.
8/2/2012 12:00:40 AM EDT
[#17]
No issues here with different rifles ( spikes/DD barrels) and a b-pup.
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