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Posted: 11/19/2011 4:38:45 PM EDT
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I'm planning to buy two silencers, one for my 5.56x45mm 16" piston AR, and one for my 7.62x51mm 16" SCAR.
For the AR, I'm currently looking at either the AAC M4-2000, or the Surefire FA556-212. For the SCAR, I'm currently looking at either the AAC 762-SDN-6 or the Surefire FA762SS. I may just get a 308 can and use it on both. Still thinking about it. I expect to continue to use hearing protection while practicing, but one of my main goals is to reduce volume enough so that if I need to use either rifle in an emergency without hearing protection (in other words, rarely shooting without hearing protection), I won't do any additional damage to my hearing (I already have some hearing damage and tinnitus). Also, I typically wear both ear plugs and ear muffs while practicing. it would be nice to turn down the volume enough so that during practice I can just wear ear muffs. Thus, while I understand AAC silencers are actually quieter, it's not clear to me they are quiet enough to practice without hearing protection completely, and therefore, I'm not sure I care too much about the few additional dB reduction that AAC provides. It may be worth a little more money and allowing a few more dBs to have a really solid mounting system. The AAC mounting system seems OK, but it seems like the Surefire mounting system is really solid and no worries. (this is a closer decision for the AR since the Surefire is only a couple hundred more, but for .308 the Surefire is considerably more). So a main question I have for you all is this: If you have an AAC silencer and have used it for a while, do you regret not getting a Surefire (or some other brand/model)? And if you have a Surefire silencer and have used it for a while, do you regret not getting an ACC (or some other brand/model)? And of course for those of you that own both, if you could only have one, which would you pick and why? |
| They are both great companies. I have multiple AAC Suppressors and mounts so I stick with AAC, but surefire Suppressors are great also. My main question is if your not concerned about being the quietest than why not go with the SF MINI or AAC MINI-4. Both are hearing safe on 14.5" and up barrels. Have less weight and added length. I use the MINI-4 on my scar 16 and it sounds great without ear pro. |
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They are both great companies. I have multiple AAC Suppressors and mounts so I stick with AAC, but surefire Suppressors are great also. My main question is if your not concerned about being the quietest than why not go with the SF MINI or AAC MINI-4. Both are hearing safe on 14.5" and up barrels. Have less weight and added length. I use the MINI-4 on my scar 16 and it sounds great without ear pro. Good question. Looking at AAC's website, the Mini-4 provides 22dB reduction while the M4-2000 provides 32-34dB reduction. Not sure what the comparison is like for Surefire, but I assume it's in the same ballpark (does anyone know why Surefire doesn't list this information on their website?). I think I would prefer the additional dB reduction. 10dB louder is quite a bit (10x louder). For someone like myself that already has hearing damage, "hearing safe" may be quieter. |
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They are both great companies. I have multiple AAC Suppressors and mounts so I stick with AAC, but surefire Suppressors are great also. My main question is if your not concerned about being the quietest than why not go with the SF MINI or AAC MINI-4. Both are hearing safe on 14.5" and up barrels. Have less weight and added length. I use the MINI-4 on my scar 16 and it sounds great without ear pro. Good question. Looking at AAC's website, the Mini-4 provides 22dB reduction while the M4-2000 provides 32-34dB reduction. Not sure what the comparison is like for Surefire, but I assume it's in the same ballpark (does anyone know why Surefire doesn't list this information on their website?). I think I would prefer the additional dB reduction. 10dB louder is quite a bit (10x louder). For someone like myself that already has hearing damage, "hearing safe" may be quieter. To the shooters ear there isn't much difference. Check major malfunctions sound tests you will be surprised. |
| Surefire has the best mounting system bar none. On top of that, I managed to lob one sideways through the baffle stack of my FA556AR. Surefire fixed it. Can't beat that. Theres more markup in a surefire than in an AAC, so there is more room to bargain. Or just contact Major Malfunction, his prices seem excellent. |
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To the shooters ear there isn't much difference. Check major malfunctions sound tests you will be surprised. Thank you for pointing out Major Malfunctions sound tests. Here's a link if anyone else isn't familiar (I assume this is what you are referring to): http://www.silencerforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?247-SILENCER-SOUND-TESTING It's too bad they didn't include some Surefire suppressors in the tests. I still have yet to see an apple-to-apples dB comparison of AAC and Surefire. AAC lists their dB reduction while Surefire lists the total dB for different barrel lengths. Something that's odd about the sound tests is the difference between the 5.56 and 7.62 tests. For a suppressed 5.56 AR, the muzzle dB for many tests was mid 130s, while the at ear dB was mid 140s. While a suppressed 7.62 Remington 700 resulted in a muzzle dB in often in the low 140s, but the at ear dB was mid 120s. What the heck? There a few things that are odd here: 1. It seems odd to me that the sound for an AR would actually be louder at ear than the muzzle. 2. It seems odd to me that the sound for the Remington would decrease from the muzzle to ear by over 10dB 3. It seems odd that the 7.62 was significantly quieter than the 5.56. While the 7.62 probably has a longer barrel, that's a huge difference. |
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yhm Ti phantom, great can, lightweight, quiet, and just buy the 762 and use on all saves money  The OP asks about AAC and Surefire and that's the advice you give him? Seriously? 
Why not say something like those are great suppressor and you would be happy with either but have you considered the YHM because it weighs , is only such and such long and I've put blank amount of rounds through mine and it is very tough and compared to the AAC and Surefire my YHM sounds just as good. |
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yhm Ti phantom, great can, lightweight, quiet, and just buy the 762 and use on all saves money The OP asks about AAC and Surefire and that's the advice you give him? Seriously?
Why not say something like those are great suppressor and you would be happy with either but have you considered the YHM because it weighs , is only such and such long and I've put blank amount of rounds through mine and it is very tough and compared to the AAC and Surefire my YHM sounds just as good. Meh, it's like on the Corvette forums I am on where someone comes in and says "The new mustang has nearly as much power as the base 'vette..." Back on topic, though, I went with Surefire. Still waiting for it to be approved and all that, but here is my deal: -I doubt I ever "shoot it out". (even a YHM, just don't think I will shoot that much). -All 5.56 cans are about the same loud-ness among the "full-size" models. -AAC hiders ping. A 14.5 is too short for a pinned AAC brake-out. -Surefire's mounting system has never been the source of problems. Noone on any form ever whines about it. Every forum, including AAC's shill site contains a ton of whining about baffle-strikes, cans coming loose, latch teeth wearing down, axial wobble, etc. etc. etc. So I paid another $100 over the SPR/M4 and went with the FA556-212. |
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I have an AAC 762SD with the older 18T mounting system. I've seen the new 51T mounting system, but have not personally shot with it. I've seen and shot with surefire cans. I have a BIG amount of buyers remorse, and will NEVER own another AAC rifle can. To ME, the mounting system is easily worth the extra price of the Surefire. Mike Mers is a great asset to AAC, but he's not the only component of the company. I'm not going to bash the company, I'll just say that I'm unhappy with my experience and unhappy with my can. If I were to do it again, I would without a doubt buy a surefire 762K over the AAC 762SD.
My main complaint is the mounting system. A can should not have the possibility of walking off, mine has (again, apples to oranges I have the older 18T system). The surefire mounts are flawless in function, and really look good. If I could get all of my money back, or at least the majority of it, I'd buy a surefire! ETA: I will be making a 5.56 can purchase in the next year. I will be buying a 212 Surefire can. |
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I have a 51t 7.62sd and out of three mounts, one locks up tight, and the others do not. I also had an end cap strike that AAC repaired under warranty citing a bad mount. The mount they sent me after the repair wobbles.
Surefire has none of this bullshit. Get the Surefire. |
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I have a 51t 7.62sd and out of three mounts, one locks up tight, and the others do not. I also had an end cap strike that AAC repaired under warranty citing a bad mount. The mount they sent me after the repair wobbles. Surefire has none of this bullshit. Get the Surefire. You're not alone. |
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Here's the thing. Both make fantastic cans and you won't go wrong with either. You're far more likely to hear about bad experiences than good experiences, especially on a forum such as this, and even more so when one company has had issues with said forum. I think the poll results are far more in line with reality than what you would see if you simply took thread responses into consideration.
Look at individual qualities that you want and decide from there. Personally, I voted "have M42k and happy." I would not get the Surefire unless it did something better than my M42k. Currently, based on my needs and desires, they do not. In the future, this may change. At that point, I would have no problem buying a Surefire over an AAC. |
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Here's the thing. Both make fantastic cans and you won't go wrong with either. You're far more likely to hear about bad experiences than good experiences, especially on a forum such as this, and even more so when one company has had issues with said forum. I think the poll results are far more in line with reality than what you would see if you simply took thread responses into consideration. Look at individual qualities that you want and decide from there. Personally, I voted "have M42k and happy." I would not get the Surefire unless it did something better than my M42k. Currently, based on my needs and desires, they do not. In the future, this may change. At that point, I would have no problem buying a Surefire over an AAC. Even aac's shill site shows more people having issues with aac than sf. Especially the mounts and baffle strikes, etc. |
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Even aac's shill site shows more people having issues with aac than sf. Especially the mounts and baffle strikes, etc. More people own AAC silencers, especially on SilencerTalk. Baffle strikes can be caused by more things than the mount. Hey, there are more Glock KB's out there too, yet 99.999% of us will never have one. |
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Even aac's shill site shows more people having issues with aac than sf. Especially the mounts and baffle strikes, etc. More people own AAC silencers, especially on SilencerTalk. Baffle strikes can be caused by more things than the mount. Hey, there are more Glock KB's out there too, yet 99.999% of us will never have one. I understand this, but it is demonstrated time and time again how the AAC mount fails. It's not some random thing that only occurs only some of the time and for unknown reasons. It's a mechanical interface with tolerances that range from a snug lock-up to a very loose one. It's a gamble of where yours will fall. With Surefire, it's a snug mount. Period. |
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This the new look of the SureFire suppressors. The lock ring latch is a new design that is a big improvment. http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/Kudu22/Suppressors_titanium.jpg http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/Kudu22/Titanium-Supp-30.jpg When will these be hitting dealers? Tax return may be already spent. Will they fit on existing mounts or are the mounts redesigned also? |
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Tuuka I will be there. Maybe a little red eyed but upright.
We have been shipping like crazy and all b/o are filled and now working on back stock for the dealers. 2 shifts 6 days a week but we finally got caught up and plan on staying ahead now. Yes these work on existing adapters. 
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Tuuka I will be there. Maybe a little red eyed but upright. We have been shipping like crazy and all b/o are filled and now working on back stock for the dealers. 2 shifts 6 days a week but we finally got caught up and plan on staying ahead now. Yes these work on existing adapters. Gotcha, we have been pretty busy this year as well; expanding our premises, new machinery coming in, product development.. So it is safe to say things are looking well for suppressors on both sides of the pond
See you at SHOT. Best Regards! Tuukka Jokinen Ase Utra sound suippressors |
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