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Posted: 10/23/2010 6:24:05 PM EDT
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I post on silencertalk and nfatalk, and i figure i could put this here to help some people
1 inch 316 stainless tubing with .049 walls 304 stainless for internals Just over 6.5 inches overall length Tried to copy a Spectre If there is anyone near northern idaho that has one, I want to compare Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq-XG3tn7s0 I can shoot it with a wipe at the end, and it is scary quiet. I am proud of myself for not having any machining training, and being a poor 20 year old college student. http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af99/rbowen47/Form%201%20silencer/DSC_0329.jpg http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af99/rbowen47/Form%201%20silencer/DSC_0331.jpg http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af99/rbowen47/Form%201%20silencer/DSC_0332.jpg http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af99/rbowen47/Form%201%20silencer/DSC_0333.jpg http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af99/rbowen47/Form%201%20silencer/DSC_0335.jpg |
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I have access to a 12x36 lathe and a decent sized bridgeport mill. It wasn't too hard to make, and I had only a few hours on the machines before building this.
It wasn't too hard to build. If i could do it with no training, I am pretty sure most people could as well |
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Nice looking suppressor. I have a quesrtion: Since you filed this on e F1 are you allowed to modify it without paying another tax? Ie, what if you wanted to change the baffle stack in some manor? If I want to change it, I can either modify the existing baffles (take material off or weld something to them) or cut them into 4 pieces (like scoops, not rings) and then make more. The tube however, I am stuck with. |
| the serial number is on the tube, along with my info as the maker. those pictures were taken the day i got it done (a sunday) and I got the tube engraved (while I was there so he didn't need an SOT) the following day. No serial number is required till it is finished. So from a legal standpoint, it is in "development" until i engrave it. But i would not suggest not engraving it and telling the officials you are still in progress even though you have been shooting it. |
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That's awesome, good work  Does it affect your accuracy? Wish I had skills like that.On the p22, I shoot about 2 inches low at 15 yards, same poor accuracy one would expect from a p22 on a 10/22, its as tight as ever the remington 581 shoots shitty remington subs like they are match ammo though- that is nice and quiet |
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Nice looking suppressor. I have a quesrtion: Since you filed this on e F1 are you allowed to modify it without paying another tax? Ie, what if you wanted to change the baffle stack in some manor? If I want to change it, I can either modify the existing baffles (take material off or weld something to them) or cut them into 4 pieces (like scoops, not rings) and then make more. The tube however, I am stuck with. I don't think so. Your F1 allows you to MAKE 1 Suppressor, not R&D and tinker. When you are done you are done. Now, you could clearly modify those baffles, drilling holes etc, but I don't think you can male more. |
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Quoted: Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it.Quoted: Quoted: Nice looking suppressor. I have a quesrtion: Since you filed this on e F1 are you allowed to modify it without paying another tax? Ie, what if you wanted to change the baffle stack in some manor? If I want to change it, I can either modify the existing baffles (take material off or weld something to them) or cut them into 4 pieces (like scoops, not rings) and then make more. The tube however, I am stuck with. I don't think so. Your F1 allows you to MAKE 1 Suppressor, not R&D and tinker. When you are done you are done. Now, you could clearly modify those baffles, drilling holes etc, but I don't think you can male more. |
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Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it. I do not believe so. The F1 allows a 1 time making of the suppressor. Any suppressor part is considered a suppressor so even if you destroy your part and make another you are making a new suppressor. From the ATF Faq: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. If you are not a 07/with a SOT you MAY NOT make new parts once you are done with the supressor. The only thing you may do is fabricate and replace new wipes. |
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Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it. I do not believe so. The F1 allows a 1 time making of the suppressor. Any suppressor part is considered a suppressor so even if you destroy your part and make another you are making a new suppressor. From the ATF Faq: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. If you are not a 07/with a SOT you MAY NOT make new parts once you are done with the supressor. The only thing you may do is fabricate and replace new wipes. Disagreed. As to a permit to build "one time" it is not - it is a permit to build one item. There has been plenty of chatter about putting long barrels onto SBRs - restoring the short barrel does not require a new tax or application. The text you quoted above says that it is not permitted for SOTs to replace numbered components, but other components are fine. In this case, the component (baffle) is not numbered, and the OP is not a SOT. |
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Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it. I do not believe so. The F1 allows a 1 time making of the suppressor. Any suppressor part is considered a suppressor so even if you destroy your part and make another you are making a new suppressor. From the ATF Faq: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. If you are not a 07/with a SOT you MAY NOT make new parts once you are done with the supressor. The only thing you may do is fabricate and replace new wipes. Disagreed. As to a permit to build "one time" it is not - it is a permit to build one item. There has been plenty of chatter about putting long barrels onto SBRs - restoring the short barrel does not require a new tax or application. The text you quoted above says that it is not permitted for SOTs to replace numbered components, but other components are fine. In this case, the component (baffle) is not numbered, and the OP is not a SOT. ATF does not consider a barrel a restricted item. I have several 07/SOT's and have been through this with the ATF. Trust me on this one. |
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Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it. I do not believe so. The F1 allows a 1 time making of the suppressor. Any suppressor part is considered a suppressor so even if you destroy your part and make another you are making a new suppressor. From the ATF Faq: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. If you are not a 07/with a SOT you MAY NOT make new parts once you are done with the supressor. The only thing you may do is fabricate and replace new wipes. Disagreed. As to a permit to build "one time" it is not - it is a permit to build one item. There has been plenty of chatter about putting long barrels onto SBRs - restoring the short barrel does not require a new tax or application. The text you quoted above says that it is not permitted for SOTs to replace numbered components, but other components are fine. In this case, the component (baffle) is not numbered, and the OP is not a SOT. ATF does not consider a barrel a restricted item. I have several 07/SOT's and have been through this with the ATF. Trust me on this one. I could have sworn ranb went over this on silencertalk, and i thought he has a letter saying it is in fact legal to replace baffles if they are destroyed first. on another note, I like your guys' new website |
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Yes you can. You, as the maker, are allowed to repair your silencer. Just like he said, he has to destroy the current baffle before making a replacement for it. I do not believe so. The F1 allows a 1 time making of the suppressor. Any suppressor part is considered a suppressor so even if you destroy your part and make another you are making a new suppressor. From the ATF Faq: A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part. If you are not a 07/with a SOT you MAY NOT make new parts once you are done with the supressor. The only thing you may do is fabricate and replace new wipes. Disagreed. As to a permit to build "one time" it is not - it is a permit to build one item. There has been plenty of chatter about putting long barrels onto SBRs - restoring the short barrel does not require a new tax or application. The text you quoted above says that it is not permitted for SOTs to replace numbered components, but other components are fine. In this case, the component (baffle) is not numbered, and the OP is not a SOT. ATF does not consider a barrel a restricted item. I have several 07/SOT's and have been through this with the ATF. Trust me on this one. SOT doesn't matter to the subject at hahnd. The code you stated said SOTs could make replacement components (other than the tube). Is there code that says non-SOTs can not make replacement components ? General practice has been that a baffle, or stack, could be destroyed - then a new one built. A form-1 builder can't have excess components on hand (ie: make new baffles first, then install them, then destroy the old ones). An 07/02 can build and replace in any such sequence. |
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Exactly. I do think i am going to remove a little material on baffles and maybe the spacer up front to open up the blast chamber. Won't that give you more FRP? WHat gains do you expect to see? less blowback and a cleaner gun. and FRP is for one shot. I'm not an assassin, and i shoot more than one round before being done. If i want to eliminate it completely i just put some wire pulling in the first couple baffles and it makes it even quieter. |
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The way I understood the letter was that wipes are the only part allowed to be replaced. I have read other ATF letters that make it quite clear that any individual who replaces a part themself has to pay another $200 tax. Ranb hmm... Well i guess i better do it right the first time 
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Exactly. I do think i am going to remove a little material on baffles and maybe the spacer up front to open up the blast chamber. Won't that give you more FRP? WHat gains do you expect to see? less blowback and a cleaner gun. and FRP is for one shot. I'm not an assassin, and i shoot more than one round before being done. If i want to eliminate it completely i just put some wire pulling in the first couple baffles and it makes it even quieter. I was just curious. Suppressor design fascinates me. |
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Exactly. I do think i am going to remove a little material on baffles and maybe the spacer up front to open up the blast chamber. Won't that give you more FRP? WHat gains do you expect to see? less blowback and a cleaner gun. and FRP is for one shot. I'm not an assassin, and i shoot more than one round before being done. If i want to eliminate it completely i just put some wire pulling in the first couple baffles and it makes it even quieter. I was just curious. Suppressor design fascinates me. Smaller the blast baffle ( first chamber ) the quieter the first round pop ( FRP ). You do sacrifice though. the smaller the blast baffle, the more you damage your crown, baffle, and higher pressures. Larger blast baffles are better for your gun/supressor, but you gain noise ( FRP ) |
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That is excellent work! It would be good if you had been doing it for a while, considering it is your first attempt I would say more than good, more like amazing.
I think you just convinced me to attempt one. I do have a .22 Outback II, and a .223 and 9mm can on the way. Maybe I will attempt to build a .45 or another .22 thanks for sharing your build, if you have any detailed plans you wouldn't mind sharing that would be great also. A+!!! |
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That is excellent work! It would be good if you had been doing it for a while, considering it is your first attempt I would say more than good, more like amazing. I think you just convinced me to attempt one. I do have a .22 Outback II, and a .223 and 9mm can on the way. Maybe I will attempt to build a .45 or another .22 thanks for sharing your build, if you have any detailed plans you wouldn't mind sharing that would be great also. A+!!! I had some Solidworks drawings, but those are nowhere to be found at the moment. I also have another Form 1 pending for a .223 silencer. I will post some pictures of that build when i get around to making that. |
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