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Posted: 5/9/2010 6:06:06 PM EDT
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Buddy of mine went out and got himself a ps90. cut the barrel and bought a supressor. Now heres where it gets tricky. fired two shots and noticed the end of supressor was struck and basically blown out. I told him he was pretty much screwed unless he narrows the problem down and gets the company to pay for damages.
The gun shop sent the barrel to another company to cut and thread. the supressor co is very well known and usually reputable. He took the gun in. The gun shops gunsmith looked at the threading and said it looks like the supressor is bad. The gunstore owner said he was going to send in the can and they would transfer the serial number to a new one and send it back. I am not gonna call any names as the company who cut/threaded the barrel is a site sponser and the supressor company is, well, i think ya'll know who im talking about. the problem i am having with this is that i thought it was illegal to swap serial numbers now. The can is completely welded so working on it would require cutting the tube. So am i right about the cutting the tube thing. That would require a new serial number and tax stamp correct? |
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I don't think anyone knows who you are talking about and I think the best thing to do in every case is talk to the suppressor company first.
Parts- especially end caps- can generally be replaced even in welded silencers. The repairs are not cheap but they are possible. The ATF allows repairs to be made, even if they require shortening of the tube. I think the rules state that minimum length change required to necessitate repair is legal. In other words if the tube is threaded, the tube can be cut and re-threaded if necessary for repair. |
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Suppressors are not covered up the 86 ban, so they can be manufactured by the SOT that produced them without problems.
But the Problem is two fold, being first, that the barrel was threaded correctly to prevent a strike in the first place with the can not being off axis of the bore line, and what the suppressor manufacture recommends as a minimal barrel length to prevent the round from being unstable in the suppressor as well to cause a strike. |
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Suppressors are not covered up the 86 ban, so they can be manufactured by the SOT that produced them without problems. This is 100% wrong. Even if the SOT that made the can is replacing the serialized part there is a new tax. This changed about 2 years ago. |
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Buddy of mine went out and got himself a ps90. cut the barrel and bought a supressor. Now heres where it gets tricky. fired two shots and noticed the end of supressor was struck and basically blown out. I told him he was pretty much screwed unless he narrows the problem down and gets the company to pay for damages. The gun shop sent the barrel to another company to cut and thread. the supressor co is very well known and usually reputable. He took the gun in. The gun shops gunsmith looked at the threading and said it looks like the supressor is bad. The gunstore owner said he was going to send in the can and they would transfer the serial number to a new one and send it back. I am not gonna call any names as the company who cut/threaded the barrel is a site sponser and the supressor company is, well, i think ya'll know who im talking about. the problem i am having with this is that i thought it was illegal to swap serial numbers now. The can is completely welded so working on it would require cutting the tube. So am i right about the cutting the tube thing. That would require a new serial number and tax stamp correct? You are 100% corrrect. Unless they can repair that EXACT suppressor (cut the cap off and weld a new cap on), there will be a new tax. |
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Buddy of mine went out and got himself a ps90. cut the barrel and bought a supressor. Now heres where it gets tricky. fired two shots and noticed the end of supressor was struck and basically blown out. I told him he was pretty much screwed unless he narrows the problem down and gets the company to pay for damages. The gun shop sent the barrel to another company to cut and thread. the supressor co is very well known and usually reputable. He took the gun in. The gun shops gunsmith looked at the threading and said it looks like the supressor is bad. The gunstore owner said he was going to send in the can and they would transfer the serial number to a new one and send it back. I am not gonna call any names as the company who cut/threaded the barrel is a site sponser and the supressor company is, well, i think ya'll know who im talking about. the problem i am having with this is that i thought it was illegal to swap serial numbers now. The can is completely welded so working on it would require cutting the tube. So am i right about the cutting the tube thing. That would require a new serial number and tax stamp correct? You are 100% corrrect. Unless they can repair that EXACT suppressor (cut the cap off and weld a new cap on), there will be a new tax. I thought so. The can is on the way back to the manu now. I will let ya'll know. I do know it was only the endcap being struck, and it is welded. the baffles look good. I told my buddy he had way to many hands on the rifle to begin with. he should have let the supressor company cut and thread. I do really like the can. I have built 5 on form 1's for the price but that sucker sounded good for the 2 shots |
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Suppressors are not covered up the 86 ban, so they can be manufactured by the SOT that produced them without problems. This is 100% wrong. Even if the SOT that made the can is replacing the serialized part there is a new tax. This changed about 2 years ago. Could someone post the ruling on this, As of now, I know that no other single purpose devices related to only the suppressor can no longer be sold, such as thread adapters and assist for other platform to convert the suppressor over to another weapon, but did not see where a new tax stamp is required to re manufacturer a suppressor (guess that this only applies to the serial number portion of the can, and not the internal parts as well). As for the way that I see it, it almost seem like the government lads are almost pushing to have the firearm that the suppressor is going to used on included in the paper work as well, since as of now, they are pushing for a single platform only type of suppressor that they can linked back to the firearm in play. |
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Suppressors are not covered up the 86 ban, so they can be manufactured by the SOT that produced them without problems. This is 100% wrong. Even if the SOT that made the can is replacing the serialized part there is a new tax. This changed about 2 years ago. Could someone post the ruling on this, As of now, I know that no other single purpose devices related to only the suppressor can no longer be sold, such as thread adapters and assist for other platform to convert the suppressor over to another weapon, but did not see where a new tax stamp is required to re manufacturer a suppressor (guess that this only applies to the serial number portion of the can, and not the internal parts as well). As for the way that I see it, it almost seem like the government lads are almost pushing to have the firearm that the suppressor is going to used on included in the paper work as well, since as of now, they are pushing for a single platform only type of suppressor that they can linked back to the firearm in play. I don't think that is quite right... yet. YHM had been told to stop selling the adapters for awhile. They have been given the OK to go ahead and start to sell the adapters again separately from the suppressor but it looks as if they are moving towards wanting the adapter serial numbered as well in the future. It just hasn't happened yet. |
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"adapter serial numbered as well"
Is it the suppressor serial # that is to be stamped on to tie the added parts back into the can, hence allowing the can to be used on different platforms, or a complete new number, with a new tax stamp as well? And since you can not replace serial # parts as I read it now without a new tax stamp, then how does that play out when a booster or adapter wears out and needs to be replaced if they are Serial number stamped? As the way that I am understanding the law now with non replacement of a can parts that have been serial #'d, then the manufacturers need to find a way to stamp a part of the can that is never going to either wear out, nor be destroyed so they can rework a unit without the owner having to pay for a new tax stamp if that time comes. |
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And why is it OK for me to have multiple pistons/mounts for a can but not extra baffles??? Neither has a serial number on them. That is the problem right there of not too long ago, Someone got on a high horse to read the law a new way in office, and came up with if any part of the suppressor that its only purpose is for the suppressor alone, then it is part of the supressor, and extra's are not allowed. So the extra mounts and pistons for different firearms became like that of a baffle, without extra's being allowed of sold. If you read what JediIhaf wrote, then they are now re-allowing the extra parts to be sold (to use the can on different firearms), but now may want to have those extra parts serial numbered as well. So, if numbered, then what part is replaceable under the old tax stamp and what has to have a new tax stamp to be replaced. Granted I can see them wanting to tie the part back into the can, but it's the whole serial number thing that now makes the adapter parts into that like a baffle, and only replaceable with no extra's. |
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