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Posted: 7/27/2009 9:21:27 AM EDT
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Ordered my Gemtech mk9k the other day and my dealer called me and told me that my serial number had been issued. Would it be wise to go ahead and fill out my form 4 and get it all going or should i wait until my can is actually there and i can verify the serial number?
Cheers Austin |
| I always try to get my form 4's started as soon as I know the serial number. It sometimes takes my CLEO up to two weeks to sign the paperwork. I like to have everything to the dealer so as soon as the item arrives, he can verify serial numbers and send the form 4's in. |
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CLEO can sign early, but you cannot mail it to the ATF early.
Some people have been rumored to (in the past) mail their Form 4 as soon as they heard the Form 3 went pending (believing the 4 would not go pending before the 3 was approved) but the ATF takes a very dim view of those shenanigans these days. Kharn |
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I always try to get my form 4's started as soon as I know the serial number. It sometimes takes my CLEO up to two weeks to sign the paperwork. I like to have everything to the dealer so as soon as the item arrives, he can verify serial numbers and send the form 4's in. ah, sorry, I was using trust-colored glasses. Sure, if you need signoff, go for it |
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Ah alright so we cant mail off a form 4 untill it is on a form 3. Thats all i needed to know. guess im looking at 6 months + then. More precisely, you can't start a transfer from your dealer until it is first transferred to him. You are not waiting for the NFA item to be put on a form. You are waiting for the transfer to your dealer to be approved. NFA stuff are not on forms. They are simply "registered" when transferred. The form used when transferred depends on the status of the buyer and seller, but at no time is an NFA firearm on a form. For example, you can have an SOT make three firearms. He registers them using a Form 2. He then transfers them to another SOT with a Form 3. The SOT then lets his license lapse, and later wants to sell the firearms. One goes to an individual, and the other goes another SOT, and one goes to the local sheriff's office. The one to the individual transfers with a Form 4. The one to the buying SOT also transfers with a Form 4. The one to the Sheriff transfers with a Form 5. They are all the same type of gun, transferring at the same time. The form used depends on the status of the buyer and seller. Again, at no time are the guns on a form. |
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You are technically correct, GarrettJ. However, people do often refer to items as "on a Form <whatever>" for purposes of sale ads. For example, look at many of the ads on subguns, sturm, etc. and you will see sellers advertising the item is "on a Form 4 in Florida". To a prospective buyer in TN this tells him there are two tax-paid ($200) transfers required for the item to get to him AND the item is possibly held by a private individual and not a dealer. The same item "on a Form 3" tells the TN buyer that he only needs to wait on a Form 3 from a dealer in FL to his transfer dealer in TN and, thus, the total transfer time should be less than waiting on two Form 4 transfers and only requires one $200 tax payment.
Just sayin... 
Regards. 
Mark |
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You are technically correct, GarrettJ. However, people do often refer to items as "on a Form <whatever>" for purposes of sale ads. For example, look at many of the ads on subguns, sturm, etc. and you will see sellers advertising the item is "on a Form 4 in Florida". To a prospective buyer in TN this tells him there are two tax-paid ($200) transfers required for the item to get to him AND the item is possibly held by a private individual and not a dealer. The same item "on a Form 3" tells the TN buyer that he only needs to wait on a Form 3 from a dealer in FL to his transfer dealer in TN and, thus, the total transfer time should be less than waiting on two Form 4 transfers and only requires one $200 tax payment. Just sayin...
Regards.
Mark You are technically correct Mark. A gun could be registered on a F3 and require a F4 registration –– the guy either didn't renew his SOT or simply got out of the business. Yes, the gun was registered to him tax free .. but can not transfer the same way. More importantly .. people need to understand that the tax or lack of tax is due on the transferor (seller) and not the transferee (buyer). Yes you will pay the tax one way or another .. but its not the buyers responsibility. If you can grasp this concept then you will be able to understand that ALL transfers require taxes paid unless it is between two current SOT's or involving a PD. |
| The form issues wernt the problem. I was simply curious as to wether or not I could go ahead and have my form 4 mailed in before my SOT had possession of my can. I just wanted to cut as much time as i could off my wait. The 4 months that it took for my form 1 to come back has me looking for any shot-cuts. |
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I was simply curious as to wether or not I could go ahead and have my form 4 mailed in before my SOT had possession of my can. Short answer is "no". If you sent in your Form 4 before the item was transferred to your dealer, you would get the form returned. It would probably include a note stating that the can was not registered to that particular dealer at that time. Yeah I know - waiting sucks. But trying to speed things up sometimes does just the opposite. But by all means, get the paperwork all filled out and signed as needed, and get everything else together that you need (fingerprints, cert of compliance, etc.) so that you are ready to go just as soon as your dealer gives you the green light. |
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use the form 4 generator on titleii.com. you can't actually do anything with the form 4 until the can shows up on a form 3 to your dealer, but if you feel better getting some typing out of the way, by all means do so. you can get it signed, just don't mail it. I do it all the time, I have the Forms signed then mail them when deployed once the dealer gets the can |
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