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Posted: 5/16/2009 5:55:29 PM EDT
| I have my first Class III weapon coming in and am trying to decide what can to buy..Anyone had any experience they would share? Have M-16 lower that I want to put a 10.5" Noveseke upper on....Thanks for any feedback...I've been looking at Surefire because of reported durability... |
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AAC's .223 cans are supposed to be pretty good.
Here's a link to their website |
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I really don't get the suppressed M16 thing. I mean, yeah fun to shoot. But you end up with a rifle that shoots 55 grain projectiles at subsonic speeds (think .22 long rifle) or you still have the sonic crack which negates the whole point.
IMO, shoot the .223 without a can, and buy a 9mm suppressed upper for the lower. That way you get the best of both worlds. Opinion only and YMMV. 
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| Pay no attention to the poster above. Anyone who says the sonic crack "negates the point" of a suppressor hasn't used a good suppressor before. The sonic crack is VASTLY quieter than the muzzle blast, plus the source of the crack is moving rapidly away from you. You should also largely ignore Surefire's marketing BS about how durable their cans are. THey are well-made but won't be any more durable than other high-end silencers like AAC or KAC. |
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Pay no attention to the poster above. Anyone who says the sonic crack "negates the point" of a suppressor hasn't used a good suppressor before. The sonic crack is VASTLY quieter than the muzzle blast, plus the source of the crack is moving rapidly away from you. You should also largely ignore Surefire's marketing BS about how durable their cans are. THey are well-made but won't be any more durable than other high-end silencers like AAC or KAC. +1 MG + can = Double Evil Some people just don't get it. |
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Soooo, if stealth isn't the point then what is? Having a can just so you can shoot without ears makes no sense to me. Better to use a caliber that is useful suppressed.
But then some guys don't get it. Might as well buy a Norell 10/22 full auto and suppress that. 
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I already have suppressors I just have never used one for a Class III gun and did not know if the Surefire might have a model that might hold up better for that purpose. I have to believe they are not worth all the money but I will share with you that I bought one of their knoves for $300.00 and thought I had lost my mind....but it is the best knife I have ever owned bar none! (and I own a lot of knives) I carry it every day. I figured if their cans were as good as this knife it might be worth pursuing...this feedback is very helpful!
I can think of a bunch of reasons to shoot a can with regular ammo or sub sonic...1120 fps is still zipping. The ground hogs I shoot look pretty dead to me. I like the idea of the 9 mm however! Buy more ammo and guns....we've got their attention! Baer in VA.... |
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Soooo, if stealth isn't the point then what is? Having a can just so you can shoot without ears makes no sense to me. Better to use a caliber that is useful suppressed. But then some guys don't get it. Might as well buy a Norell 10/22 full auto and suppress that.
Unless you're an "operator", you're usually buying a silencer to drop the noise and avoid having to wear hearing protection. Everybody wants to be stealthy, but real world use is where it's at. BTW, the .mil loves silencers for supersonic rounds because it effectively hides the position of the shooter and depending on design, provides great flash supression. Also, unless you're taking a long range shot, most people who hear the suppressed shot don't recognize it as such because it sounds so different. Longer range shots with subsonic ammo allows the direction of the shooter to be easily ID'd. For the OP, I'd get an Ops Inc. or AAC can. Although, the Ops can will require a small extension to get it so that it will clear the gas block. |
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I really don't get the suppressed M16 thing. I mean, yeah fun to shoot. But you end up with a rifle that shoots 55 grain projectiles at subsonic speeds (think .22 long rifle) or you still have the sonic crack which negates the whole point. IMO, shoot the .223 without a can, and buy a 9mm suppressed upper for the lower. That way you get the best of both worlds. Opinion only and YMMV.
have you ever shot a suppressed AR? I'm going to guess no, and I will tell you that you are missing out. To the OP, I have a 556K on a semi auto and love it. Rock tight mount, have not seen a POI diffference. |
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I really don't get the suppressed M16 thing. I mean, yeah fun to shoot. But you end up with a rifle that shoots 55 grain projectiles at subsonic speeds (think .22 long rifle) or you still have the sonic crack which negates the whole point. IMO, shoot the .223 without a can, and buy a 9mm suppressed upper for the lower. That way you get the best of both worlds. Opinion only and YMMV.
have you ever shot a suppressed AR? I'm going to guess no, and I will tell you that you are missing out. To the OP, I have a 556K on a semi auto and love it. Rock tight mount, have not seen a POI diffference. OK, you guess wrong.  I have not shot a suppressed 223 AR but I own a suppressed 9mm M16.
A few of the toys I currently own. 
Look, I'm not saying a suppressed 223 M16 won't be FUN. What I'm saying is it won't allow you to shoot without alerting others around you to the fact you are shooting full auto. That sonic crack travels a long way. So if you are out n the desert or wherever you like to shoot the only purpose of that can is to protect your own ears. It doesn't not afford you any privacy. If it were me, I would get a Spikes .22 upper and can or a 9 mm upper and can. No reason folks need to get their panties in a bunch over this. Opinions are free on the internet and the OP can make up his own mind. BTW, the 10/22 is alas semi-auto but that can is deadly quiet with most ammo other than "hot" 22lr which breaks the sonic barrier. At 25 yards it is capable of shooting a single hole smaller than a quarter with 20 rounds. The Talon 9mm upper is mated to an M16 A1. Honestly, it is cool but just soso. Blows a lot of crap back into the chanber and your face. So does the MP5 when the can is attached. But both are very quiet with subsonic ammo. You could be shooting in your garage with neighbors out next door and they would never know if the bullets don't hit something loud. Peace out all. |
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If you elect to use subsonic rounds, the weapon wouldn't cycle and would be one hell of an expensive bolt action. In all likelihood, the OP intends to use standard 5.56mm ammunition and it will create a sonic crack. It is true that the crack is somewhat noisy but, as others have mentioned, it is MUCH quieter than the muzzle blast and negates the need for hearing protection. A suppressed, short barreled M-16 would be a whole barrel of fun and I only wish I could afford one. You will not be disappointed with a Surefire can - I love my FA556AR - but they are a bit spendy. I wouldn't have been able to afford mine if I hadn't gotten it in a great trade. The Surefire cans are very durable and full auto rated, but I agree they are probably no more or less durable than other quality cans. What Surefire does well is make a quick attach reflex style can with negligible POI shift, very little length past muzzle and less gas blowback than many other cans. It does all that without being excessively loud or heavy. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get a dedicated .22lr upper, too and an FA rated .22lr can, but I'm sure you've already thought of that.
No matter what caliber you're shooting, whether it's .22lr or .50 BMG, a can ALWAYS makes sense if you can afford it, unless the weight and length is the primary consideration for your situation. |
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