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Posted: 2/7/2009 12:19:24 AM EDT
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HP LLC has recently been searching for a unique way to make a quality rifle silencer that brings substantial quality to the table in a production feasible fashion and have been doing a lot of research into various manufacturing methods and technologies to that end.
The result is the "One-Zero" our new over the barrel 5.56 silencer. The One-Zero silencers will be state of the art. Each silencer will pass through over $2,000,000 worth of equipment as the parts see various stages of production. We'd like to speed the entrance of the product to the market, so we are offering a AR15.com exclusive offer to qualified civilians, law enforcement, and government agencies. The silencers will retail for $900-$1000 but as a reward to customers who buy on good faith in our company, the introductory run, prior to manufacture, will be sold at $600 per unit with one mount, compared to similar products on the market priced from $900 to $1390. These will be sold below cost, but process settup has it's own associated costs and they are always high and we would rather speed production and get silencers to users to get the word out than sit on our hands. Either way settup cost will be high- settup costs are unavoidable. These silencers are the wave of the future with HP LLC. Customers in the past have stated that they did not like the appearance of our welds. The new silencers will be welded by robots as a result. Front caps will be aesthetic and do not require full circumferential welds for strength. Weld plans will provide excellent heat distribution and strength. A fast attach silencer was desired, so we designed a system that provides repeatable rock solid mounting with one half rotation required to attach or remove the silencer from the weapon. No extraneous engraving beyond the NFA required information will appear on the silencers. The silencer tentatively will mount to a proprietary G6A2 derived vortex flash hider from Smith Enterprise. This flash hider provides excellent flash reduction, and has the additional benefit of not requiring torque for installation, this will result in most cases in improved accuracy compared to typical silencers torqued to 32-45 Foot pounds of torque. The mount will be compatible with Smith Enterprise's own proprietary blank firing adaptor as well. The silencer is heavy at 22 ounces. That I can't help. Doug Olson said, "It is better to carry an extra few ounces of can to know that it performs under all circumstances." I agree 100%. Lighter just isn't always better. Some of the silencers on the market have very thin tubes and baffles to the point of being ridiculous. Better to carry a couple extra ounces and know the product isn't going to be warping, bulging, or falling apart in use. The KAC M110 SASS silencer weighs 32 ounces, and it is an effective, combat capable product, validating Doug's philosophy. Specs: OAL 8.75" 2.62" over the barrel. OD 1.5" WEIGHT 22 ounces, 27 with flash hider mount Construction: 316L SS with a 100% inconel baffle system, all welded with EDM cut bore. Delivery time is estimated 6-8 months- this could improve depending on sales response. Sorry this is all the detail we are going to advertise- we'd like to show cutaways of all the cool parts but that's probably not wise on a product scheduled out for release. 
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The manufacturing methods between prototyping and production can vary slightly, rather than post a prototype figure and see a DB or two variance, I'd rather wait to test a production sample and post that information.
The baffle system is unique and high performance. For $600 you couldn't dream of touching anything similar, if such a product did exist on the market. |
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Ratings for full auto fire are interesting. The bore should really be bigger than .290" on any can rated for full auto fire. The problem is bullets begin to de-stabilize and yaw, and even experience jacket separation at more than 120 rounds of full auto fire in a very short period of time.
Most cans with larger than .290" bores will be loud. This can will take the 120 rounds, but I would rather the silencer be quiet, so the bores will most likely be straight at somewhere in the .265-.270" range I really don't think anyone would appreciate the sound of the silencer with the .290"+ bore. If you want that "abuse over sound" performance you could just run a reamer through the stack. |
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Any special engraving on these cans? Apperently you would rather be a smartass than to actually read Greeno's original post where he states "the ONLY engraving will be what the atf requires". My guess is that you guys saw greeno's name and that he was coming out with a new can and that was all you needed to jump on the post button. He admitted he made a mistake. So get over it and grow the F––- up! Buy the way for all of you aac kool aid bitches did you happen to see the bushwacker #'s.God damn Austin you posted when I was typing this. Skill shot you werent quite as much of a dick when you posted,but was still uncalled for and if you would of read the post it says that all of the baffles will be inconel. Also I apologize if I jumped the gun here and it was just a little friendly poke at Greeno,but if not well.... refer to the post. |
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Any pics of the mount??? The mounting system is the mount so I'm not really wanting to give away the details of how that's happening. The front half of the mount is a G6A2 Vortex flash hider. It's a nice looking part, and it doesn't shoot loose, and won't need to be torqued past hand tight on installation. |
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looks like a nice can. consider this a tag with interest. not sure you'll get me to ditch/replace my surefire though  Yeah the Surefire silencers are cool. Nice mounting system, nice durability, very lightweight, but some of them are a little loud. I thought they were great all around until I heard a 30cal model fire in Arkansas. The 308 bolt gun had my ears ringing from 15-20 yards away (perpendicular to the shooters position in the open). I don't know what the deal was there. They do have the recommendation of the guy who's probably bucking for NCOIC of the national guard sniper school. Apparently the lack of affect on ballistics or POI makes them the right product in his highly respected opinion. This product is something I'd like to market to the military and I believe it is military marketable, but I don't have a solicitation or anything I'm working off of to meet requirements, I'm just building something I'd hope would be something they could use. I definitely know a few of the people qualified to use it and tell me if it was good enough, so I'm planning on shipping a few of these to them so they can tell me what they think of it. |
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interesting. here is a question: what is the minimum barrel length this can will fit on? not looking for any specifics on your mount or can, but i bring this up because if it "reflexes" over the barrel at all, it may be a consideration for those of us with 10.5" to 12" guns. in that same vein, what is the minimum barrel length you would reccommend this can be used on? |
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Also I apologize if I jumped the gun here and it was just a little friendly poke at Greeno,but if not well.... refer to the post. Hey, no problem, you didn't jump the gun. My comment was not meant to be friendly at all; it was born of genuine, heartfelt contempt. |
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Also I apologize if I jumped the gun here and it was just a little friendly poke at Greeno,but if not well.... refer to the post. Hey, no problem, you didn't jump the gun. My comment was not meant to be friendly at all; it was born of genuine, heartfelt contempt. Even though I dont agree with your opinions on this matter. I highly respect the fact that you are man enough to stick to your opinion and back it up. This is highly comendable compared to alot of people these days who seem to try and weasle out of their borrowed personalities. |
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Also I apologize if I jumped the gun here and it was just a little friendly poke at Greeno,but if not well.... refer to the post. Hey, no problem, you didn't jump the gun. My comment was not meant to be friendly at all; it was born of genuine, heartfelt contempt. Even though I dont agree with your opinions on this matter. I highly respect the fact that you are man enough to stick to your opinion and back it up. This is highly comendable compared to alot of people these days who seem to try and weasle out of their borrowed personalities. I doubt I've given him any good reason for the contempt but I also respect standing by the contempt rather than throwing darts from a distance and acting neutral. The mounts telescope back over 2.625" of barrel. <from the muzzle. 2" from the thread shoulder. What barrel length that suggests is up to parts used. |
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Austin, this is the can I've been waiting for from you. I'm excited to hear you're still pushing forward, and I think this is an obvious step in the right direction.
Expect an email from me sometime soon, as I finally have a day off to get caught up with folks 
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I'm not extremely educated about how reflex style cans mount, but can you foresee any issues with this system running on a Sig 556? The barrel profile at the muzzle is a bit unique.
By my understanding, the reflex design allows for better (less) impact shift, or is the benefit the decreased OAL of the installed package? |
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we'll be taking orders for at least 2 and a half months, minimum so no rush. We're still working on finding someone cofident welding and are thinking about inconel tubing so if that happened it would probably reduce weight for 4 ounces.
Better to wait a week or two and look as we should then have everything squared away |
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I almost had myself convinced I need a Surefire FA556AR to keep the OAL of my 16" to a minimum. Now this comes along - - eventually. Hmmmmm  These still add 5.9" past the muzzle crown. The reason to buy an over the barrel silencer is probably rigid and repeatable 2 point mounting, and reduced back pressure. Some of the over the barrel cans add less length but sound performance drops as length decreases in most cases. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I almost had myself convinced I need a Surefire FA556AR to keep the OAL of my 16" to a minimum. Now this comes along - - eventually. Hmmmmm These still add 5.9" past the muzzle crown. The reason to buy an over the barrel silencer is probably rigid and repeatable 2 point mounting, and reduced back pressure. Some of the over the barrel cans add less length but sound performance drops as length decreases in most cases. Ya still have my interest.  I have a Vortex FH on it now. Will that work or is the one you are working with just "based" on the Vortex? So...does the anticipated production lead time mean we would have to wait 6-8 months, then apply for the stamp, then wait another 4 months? Or is there a way to shorten that up? (noob to NFA kit) Thanks for indulging my questions -
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It could be 6-8 months waiting to start the NFA paperwork process.
or 50 people could jump in and we could probably have cans shipping in 2 months. The flash hider is a G6 A2 based vortex from Smith enterprise. Obviously heavily modified so all that means is the SE BFA will attach to it. The mount comes with the can obviously. |
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Can I place "for sale ads" in the Suppressor Forum too? I thought that was only allowed in the Equipment Exchange area. Semper Fidelis Well, he did ante up the bucks for a "Dealer" membership level, so......... Then why don't I see any other dealers advertising directly in the non EE forums? I'm not trying to stir up shit, but he seems to be the only one doing it, dealer or not. Just curious how much money one has to pay before they can do anything they want? Semper Fidelis |
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Can I place "for sale ads" in the Suppressor Forum too? I thought that was only allowed in the Equipment Exchange area. Semper Fidelis Well, he did ante up the bucks for a "Dealer" membership level, so......... Then why don't I see any other dealers advertising directly in the non EE forums? Sometimes they do. The CoC allows for it: Specific To Sales
1.) Companies or individuals cannot advertise or sell products and or services in the forums (including siglines and titles) without prior approval from the site owners. (Industry Partners are allowed to post sales or specials on a limited basis.) |
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