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10/31/2007 4:40:45 PM EDT
This is my Surefire FA556AR; I want to know if the wear to the front aperture is normal. It hasn't been fired excessively, maybe 60 rounds in 10 minutes max.
10/31/2007 4:43:21 PM EDT
[#1]
That's a problem.  Who threaded the barrel?
10/31/2007 4:47:24 PM EDT
[#2]
That can't be good...

Spooky
10/31/2007 4:48:05 PM EDT
[#3]
um, that don't look like wear, that looks like damage.
10/31/2007 4:49:15 PM EDT
[#4]
Your suppressor has had baffle strikes and you will have to send it in for repair.
Was your mount put on correctly?

You may find out from Surefire if they will check the threading and mount on the upper.
10/31/2007 4:49:23 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
This is my Surefire FA556AR; I want to know if the wear to the front aperture is normal. It hasn't been fired excessively, maybe 60 rounds in 10 minutes max. wcr.us/guns/surefire1.jpg



Thank god surefire has expanded their warranty lifetime...go buy a lotto ticket
10/31/2007 4:51:25 PM EDT
[#6]
send it in for repairs, and slap whoever threaded your barrel.
10/31/2007 4:52:18 PM EDT
[#7]
I am fairly certain it is erosion. At first I thought I hadn't attached it securely and I had a strike but the wear is uniform and it was very tight; if it was a strike I think the end cap would be deformed and evidence of the original aperture cut would be present (at least a partial smooth round edge). It is properly mounted on factory threads.
10/31/2007 4:53:18 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I am fairly certain it is erosion.


Not a chance.
10/31/2007 4:54:48 PM EDT
[#9]
Ill take your word for it then.

Thanks everyone for the input. additional question; how do I send an NFA item for repair/replacment?
10/31/2007 4:55:27 PM EDT
[#10]
That's wear? It looks like bullet strikes to me. Can you tell what the innards look like? Have bullets been colliding with the baffles on their way out, causing enough upset to clip the sides of the can?

Barring any really obvious screw ups on your part I'd be sending it back to Surefire.
10/31/2007 4:55:34 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
... on factory threads.


Might not be precise enough.  Should be, but according to both AR15barrels and ADCO, not all are "good enough".
10/31/2007 4:56:42 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Thanks everyone for the input. additional question; how do I send an NFA item for repair/replacment?


Go to Surefire's site and look for their procedure.  If it's not clear, call them and get an RMA# or RTV#...

Send it to them, with the upper.
10/31/2007 5:03:57 PM EDT
[#13]
OUCH!
10/31/2007 5:10:52 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
That's wear? It looks like bullet strikes to me. Can you tell what the innards look like? Have bullets been colliding with the baffles on their way out, causing enough upset to clip the sides of the can?

Barring any really obvious screw ups on your part I'd be sending it back to Surefire.


I had a good look around the inside with one of those nice fiber LED lights they have at costco (they are really nice by the way). The baffles appear undamaged but it isn't easy to tell, its so dark and filthy in there.
10/31/2007 5:23:06 PM EDT
[#15]
For sure that isn't erosion.  Call SureFire and they'll take care of you.

Mark
10/31/2007 5:28:01 PM EDT
[#16]
Use smaller bullets.
10/31/2007 6:09:39 PM EDT
[#17]
ouch, what ammo and was any of it full auto?
10/31/2007 7:04:00 PM EDT
[#18]
How did it sound?

11/1/2007 12:11:14 AM EDT
[#19]
Who mad the barrel?

Kel Whelan told me he has seen baffle strikes with factory BFI threading.
11/1/2007 5:05:36 AM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
Who mad the barrel?

Kel Whelan told me he has seen baffle strikes with factory BFI threading.


Me too.  ALWAYS check things out before pulling that trigger the first time.

Mark
11/1/2007 5:51:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Surely, those are baffle strikes, not wear.  It may even be that small pieces of jacket caused the damage at the muzzle end.  A single bullet would likely have been eccentric and quite obvious.  Your problem looks like  multiple marginal strikes with the majority of the bullet still clearing.

When I got my new 6.8 upper, it had factory threads. I had a custom built .308 onto which I was mounting the .308 can and the gunsmith was very particular about the threads.  When I brought the 6.8 home, I used three things to check out the alignment.

1 ) a boresighting laser - it went straight through when the can was mounted to the 5/8 X 24 factory 6.8 threads, with no contact with the can.

2) a Bore snake with the muzzle facing down, and the upper detached.  I dropped the brass collet through and it went right down with no hang ups.

3) I simply sighted down the bore from the breech using a light .  Turn the barrel 20 and then 45 degrees in relation the light sitting on a table, and if you can see the can, you probably aren't in alignment.

Not that scientific but mine has worked beautifully, and my gunsmith gave my threads the big "thumbs up".
11/1/2007 6:28:52 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
ouch, what ammo and was any of it full auto?


This happened while I was shooting Ultramax ammo; some of the fire was full auto.

To answer the other question that has come up:

This is an LMT MRP barrel, well they both are I have one in 16' and one in 14.5.

I really don't see bad threads being the issue. This is the surefire full length suppressor. The adapter for it extends over the barrel about 2 inches and it fits quite snug. I would think it would bind on install if the threads where bad.

The only thing I can think of is maybe I didn't ratchet down the retaining nut enough when I mounted it that day. Although it felt very snug (I couldn't make it shift/wobble by hand).
11/1/2007 6:37:39 AM EDT
[#23]
It wasn't their frangible ammo, was it?

Mark
11/1/2007 6:50:15 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
ouch, what ammo and was any of it full auto?


This happened while I was shooting Ultramax ammo; some of the fire was full auto.

To answer the other question that has come up:

This is an LMT MRP barrel, well they both are I have one in 16' and one in 14.5.

I really don't see bad threads being the issue. This is the surefire full length suppressor. The adapter for it extends over the barrel about 2 inches and it fits quite snug. I would think it would bind on install if the threads where bad.

The only thing I can think of is maybe I didn't ratchet down the retaining nut enough when I mounted it that day. Although it felt very snug (I couldn't make it shift/wobble by hand).



Interesting, keep us up to date with how surefire handles it...
11/1/2007 7:26:57 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
Surely, those are baffle strikes, not wear.  It may even be that small pieces of jacket caused the damage at the muzzle end.  A single bullet would likely have been eccentric and quite obvious.  Your problem looks like  multiple marginal strikes with the majority of the bullet still clearing.

When I got my new 6.8 upper, it had factory threads. I had a custom built .308 onto which I was mounting the .308 can and the gunsmith was very particular about the threads.  When I brought the 6.8 home, I used three things to check out the alignment.

1 ) a boresighting laser - it went straight through when the can was mounted to the 5/8 X 24 factory 6.8 threads, with no contact with the can.

2) a Bore snake with the muzzle facing down, and the upper detached.  I dropped the brass collet through and it went right down with no hang ups.

3) I simply sighted down the bore from the breech using a light .  Turn the barrel 20 and then 45 degrees in relation the light sitting on a table, and if you can see the can, you probably aren't in alignment.

Not that scientific but mine has worked beautifully, and my gunsmith gave my threads the big "thumbs up".


I read the utramax reviews with no mention of them coming apart but it got me thinking. it is a 1/7 barrel; perhaps a few of them shed their jacket.
11/1/2007 7:59:51 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
I really don't see bad threads being the issue.


Surefire should be able to tell you for certain.

After my experiences, I check, re-check, and check again.  You should be able to remove the bolt and see a perfect bore alignment all the way down the barrel and can.

Even a slight non-concentric condition will be pretty evident.
11/1/2007 8:19:14 AM EDT
[#27]
I would guess frangible ammo or jackets separating.  The damage is not limited to one place.  All the typical baffle strikes caused by concentricity/alignment problems that I have seen have resulted in damage in one particular place.  This shows damage all around the circumference of the end cap exit hole.  And if truly only ~60 rounds were fired…

My money is on ammo coming apart for some reason.  But weird things do happen.

Mark
11/2/2007 12:25:50 PM EDT
[#28]
WOW.  Tag for the Interent expert commentary

This internet expert is keeping his mouth shut.

J/K, I am interested in hearing what Surefire has to say and how much they charge to repair that can.
11/2/2007 3:50:01 PM EDT
[#29]
go get a reaming bit and square it back up, that sucker has taken lots of hits and the steel is ripped. I would be surprised if surefire paid for that. just my .02
11/2/2007 4:21:50 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
WOW.  Tag for the Interent expert commentary

This internet expert is keeping his mouth shut.

J/K, I am interested in hearing what Surefire has to say and how much they charge to repair that can.


i'm also waiting to see what the repair bill is.

mine isn't broke yet, but it's seen 10k+ of f/a and will be coming due for a rebuild sooner or later
11/5/2007 10:35:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Have you called Surefire or emailed them the pictures?
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