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Posted: 9/2/2006 5:04:45 AM EDT
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How much difference does it make between standard .22LR when you: DO have the pistol suppressed? AND DON'T have the pistol suppressed? I back burnered my .22LR suppressor for the time but I'm getting ready to restock my ammo "surplus" and I figured why not get this stuuf now if it's worth having. |
| Night and day. Allot of .22 ammo will burn all the powder in about 11" of barrel. When you shoot a .22 pistol the bullet has left the barrel while the powder is still burning - .22 pistols are loud. If you ever went to a .22 UIT club you would be surprised at how quiet the target rifles are with their 30" barrels. For the casual .22 shooter, hunter or plinker a .22 suppressor is a life-changing purchase. .22s are social guns, whenever I can I involve family and friends. When the suppressor is fitted there is no need for hearing protection and the lack of noise and recoil removes any firearm intimidation factor for new shooters. Added to that most .22 pistols are of blowback design with fixed barrels. You could thread multiple guns for suppressor use and just switch the muzzle can around as you wish. You definitely need to GOYA and get one. |
i aggree they are the best things i have spent my money on...go get a can asap 
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My answer stands regardless of the type of .22 ammo. The muzzle blast from a .22 pistol is substantial and way above the EU limit for hearing damage. Even 'barely falls out the barrel' Eley match ammo is LOUD from a pistol. |
Is this a trick question? The difference between a silenced 22LR gun and a non-silenced 22LR gun is about 40+ dB. Other than extreme high velocity ammo like Stinger, almost all 22LR is subsonic in a pistol. |
I hope I understand the question: Shooting subsonic ammo from a pistol without a suppressor is Loud -- well above the safe limit for hearing. It is only a couple of db quieter than high velocity ammo. Shooting subsonic ammo through a suppressed pistol is quiet -- with most muzzle cans the sound is about like a pump pellet gun with 5 pumps. It is a little quieter than shooting high velocity through the same suppressed gun. Dave Brown |
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Got it... makes sense now. Sorry for the confusion. I was looking on a certain un-nameable ammo seller who has .22LR subsonic ammo. It specifically says subsoni so I assumed there was a difference. So you're saying the difference is marginal? Is it worth the extra expense, if there is any, to buy the subsoni vs regular .22LR? |
IMHO in a pistol, suppressed or not, the difference in sound between bulk .22lr (Remington Golden Bullet etc) and subsonic is not worth the price. I also find that some subsonic will not reliabily function some pistols. One footnote: accuracy with some subsonic (target or match) is excellent -- better than bulk ammo. In a rifle, subsonic is worth the difference since most bulk and all true HV will go supersonic and will give you the supersonic crack sound. Dave Brown |
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Remington bulk packs always go supersonic from my P22; for me the difference between supersonic 22 and subsonic 22 is night and day. Dynapoint from Winchester used to bridge a gap for me and I believe many other shooters. I've been at a loss to figure out what is gonna replace it in my 'surplus' of .22 ammo. I'm picky when it comes to suppressing .22s because I know how quiet I can get them, anything louder really annoys me. |
Click on the link to see Winchester Dynapoint (subsonic) being shot with and without a suppressor. Not a true indication of sound, but it will give you an idea. A suppressor dramatically reduces the noise on my .22 pistol. .22 Pistol - with and without suppressor Dan |
How does this rate? 
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| I've used it in a suppressed bolt gun and a 10/22. The bolt gun was amazingly quiet, with only the click of the firing pin. It was a little louder on the 10/22 due to some of the noise blowing out of the ejection port. The nice thing is you can usually fing the bulk packs at gun shows for $10-15 for 500 rounds. |
I've tried it several different times and I've always been disappointed with Remington Subsonic. It is inconsistent and I experience ejection port pop with it regularly. I will not use it again - there is much better subsonic available. My favorite subsonic .22s are: CCI Standard Velocity Winchester Dynapoint (not currently available) Federal Target (714) Dan |
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A friend of mine has a Walther P22 and we've been using the Aguila SSS 60 Gr. ammo and it is extremely quiet, We've also tried the bulk pack stuff as well as the Federal 40 gr standard velocity ammo and the Aguila is by far the quietest. Here's a Video of My friend shooting his walther with the Aguila ammo. Silenced P22 with Aguila SSS ammo Jason |
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Here are a couple of places to purchase CCI Standard Velocity. www.grafs.com/ammo/product/2051 www.natchezss.com/ammo.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=CC0032 Don't know where to purchase Federal Target online as I get it at Dick's Sporting Goods (retail store). Dan |
I am kind of amazed that you aren't getting baffle or endcap strikes. My buddy and I tried the SSS 60 gr in all of our .22s (MarkII, Buckmark, couple of aftermarket barrel 10/22s and my Mossberg LSB144). The only one it didn't keyhole a target with was my Mossberg. I guess the 27" barrel was long enough to stabalize the bullet. I haven't dared shoot them through my can yet. Of the current offerings of .22 ammo, I prefer Aguilla Super Extra in 40gr. It smells bad just like the SSS ammo, but shoots reliably in both my pistol and rifles. I do prefer the Dynapoints, but as mentioned they aren't currently available. I bought up a good stash when I first heard the were being removed from the market. I have heard several rumors that they are going to reintroduce it this winter/late fall. Also keep in mind of the barrel length you'll be shooting them out of. I don't remember the ammo, but one type will go supersonic in my 6" barrel when it will be subsonic in my friends 4" barrel. I recommend as a cheap and somewhat fun experiment is to round up a bunch of different .22 ammo and see what might work best for you. In the same breath, I do highly recommend a .22LR can. I bought a Freedom Arms can which is made here locally. It is a bit heavier than the Pilot/OutackII or the Warlock. But it dissasembles and is as quiet as them. Several of us in the Oregon Hometown area did a group buy and have had a bit of experience shooting them along side others. Getting back to ammo, I really don't like the Remington subsonics. They tend to not have enough power behind them the cycle an action which is a little dirty. Just my $0.02 Nox |
Awesome links... thanks. How do you buy that stuff in bulk/by the case... do you have to just put in a whole bunch of numbers of boxes to make your own? |
Bulk HERE. |
whoa.... 5000 rounds... that'd last a while for me. sweet. that isn't subsonic though, is it? |
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video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1015017027929841631 It is worth it, do it! I've modified my 10/22 to reliably cycle subsonics. I've found the Aguila 38gr subs to be the quietest I've yet tried. Out of my P22 it doesnt seem to matter much, everything from mini mags to rem subsonics seem about equal. |
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Will subsonic cycle an The "Atchisson" MKIII AR15 ,22LR conversion? Anyone use this particular kit? |
I could not get my Ciener (Atchisson) kit to work with subsonics "as is." Some people have had success with their kits from the start so it seems to depend on the trigger spring (for the most part). In any case, I made some modifications to my M16 to maximize reliability with subsonic. Click on the link for info: home.netcom.com/~uzisubgun/id3.html I've also made slow-fire modifications to my Ciener kit that will cycle subsonic too. Click on the link for info: home.netcom.com/~uzisubgun/id9.html The Ciener kit is quite a bit of fun and I highly recommend getting one if you're interested in shooting .22s. Dan |
I agree 100%. Remington Subsonic ammo is poor quality 22 ammo. If it doesn't say CCI don't buy it. |
I have shot a lot of this RWS subsonic and it is very clean and quiet and more importantly, deadly to Armadillos destroying my yard. It is a 40 gr. hollow point and I shoot it from a Ruger 77 bolt action with an integral suppressor and it is extremely quiet. You can get it and lots of other brands of .22 ammo here https://www.championshooters.com/index-ssl.html. |
The Dynapoints were/are copper washed as well as being quiet through my can. I haven't found any other that is subsonic through with my pistol and rifle. |
Yes, it is subsonic. Standard velocity CCI is less than 1100 fps. Speed of sound is about 1140 fps (depending on temp). |
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Tested some subsonic ammo today. Remington Subsonics had poor groups. CCI Subsonics did very well, Aguila 38gr hp subsonics & Aguila 40gr subsonics also performed pretty good. All rounds were fired from a Ruger 10/22 with a Hougue Overmold stock & Tactical Solutions barrel. I'll have to wait until I get my Gemtech Outback II so I can see which rounds sound the best. I won't buy any more of the Remington rounds. |
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I hate the Remington subsonics as well, but just bought a couple more bricks, for some reason Remington has decided this stuff is valuable. I was just turned onto the Dynapoint when they cancled them. CCI minimags and subsonic don't like to chamber in a couple guns I have with match chambers. The RWS and Eley stuff is pricier than I am interested in. I have not tried the Aquilla subsonic the PMC moderator is too weak to cycle anything. |
| I've been using Remington subsonics. The only problem I've had is a loud one every now and then. They have been 100% reliable in my 11.5" AR with Ceiner kit. I guess I'm lucky. Without a suppressor they make my ears ring a bit. For now I'm using a 9mm Trinity and it works great. |
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I have found the Remington Subsonics to cycle very well in both my AR w/ Ciener kit, and my Ruger MkIII/Pac-Lite. They are $22/brick locally, which is more than I want to spend on .22lr ammo. I have tried Aguila's 38gr and 40gr subsonic ammo, and the 38gr stuff works great in all my guns. The 40gr jams up my pistol horribly. I've tried the 60gr SSS (without the suppressor) and sure enough, it keyholes like crazy out of my pistol, but not out of the AR (expected.) However, it won't cycle the action of my Ciener kit (unexpected.) For my dollars, I'm sticking with the Aguila 38gr subsonics at $14/brick. My recommendation would be to hold off buying bricks of ANYTHING until after you get your suppressor/pistol combo together. Then test a bunch of different stuff. Suppressors make guns finicky about reliability. If you want 100% reliability, just go with full-power loads and skip the subsonics. They'll be a little louder out of pistols, and produce a sonic crack out of rifles, but they'll cycle them all. |
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