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Posted: 1/2/2002 2:33:32 PM EDT
Are the .243, .308, and .30-06 dead cartridges?

I was told that they were. Which was surprise me being most places can't keep .308 on the shelf around here.
They Said the .25-06 is better than the .243 and is the popular caliber like thats a reason to buy one. I always heard a .243 was good rifle for to start a person out on for deer hunting.

Also they told me that the .270 And 7mm mag are better than the .308 & .30-06. Especially the 7mm mag for elk rather than a .30-06.

What do you think is this true or is that just their opinion.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 3:07:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 3:15:34 PM EDT
Someone is FOS. Period....
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 4:03:53 PM EDT
.30-06 has killed everything on the planet. Blasphamy I say...Blasphamy!!!
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 4:06:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WalkerTexasRanger:
Someone is FOS. Period....



Yeah. Except for cultists such as myself, the .243 has taken over the whole area once roamed by the excellent .250 Savage, .257 Roberts, and 6mm Remington rounds. I don't care for it much myself, but it's a good and extremely practical cartridge and I doubt it's going anywhere soon.

The other two are surely much sturdier yet.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 5:03:43 PM EDT
30-06 is the most popular big game cartridge in the USA by a long shot, and it is growing in popularity. IIRC, 32% of deer hunters use 30-06, 17% use 270 and 8% use 308. The only "new" cartridge in the top five is 7mm Mag. For every guy retiring his '06 in favor of a 300 or 7 Mag, there is another guy putting his 30-30 in the closet in favor of a 30-06, and another cherry hunter buying a 30-06 at Wal-Mart.

In my experience, the 7mm Mag is definately not superior the 30-06 as an elk cartridge. In fact, I would say the opposite is the case. Big holes are good. So are 200 grain bullets. Not that the 7 Mag is inadequate, and it does give you a little bit of extra range. They are both good cartridges, but a 338 is better yet.

I think 308 is in decline somewhat because (1) although it may theoretically be more accurate than 30-06, the later is a better sporting cartridge, (2) the "gun nuts" are buying more AR-15s than FALs or M1As. But it is still a damned fine cartridge.

I am not sure about the .243. It is a little light for deer, and maybe a little much for varmints.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 5:18:11 PM EDT
I would say 50% of the guys I hunt with use the
30.06.

My FFL sells 50% .223 and the other 40% of his rifle ammo sales are .308.

I know a couple guys who use .243, but I have never shot it.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 5:24:42 PM EDT
Just my .02-
The .243-no grown man around here admits to shooting one-strictly a kids/wife/newbie setup.
The .308- basically a compromised 30.06, made to fire a shorter case, so as to fit in a shorter/smaller action weapon.
The 30.06- still the standard every ting else is judged by.
7-MM Mag-favored by the 'trophy hunter set'. Damn unpleasant to shoot- wouldn't take one for free, unless I could trade it for a 30.06 later.
These guys seem to be compensating for a 'short-coming'- if ya know what I mean.
In 6MM stuff, how about the 6.5X55 Swedish? Had a Gustof Mauser spotrer with a 3 digit serial #.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 6:10:48 PM EDT

The .243-no grown man around here admits to shooting one-strictly a kids/wife/newbie setup


Thats what I started with 14 years ago when I was 12 for PA whitetail.... Still have one in a model 7. I have yet have to track down a deer I shot. Some were dead before they hit the ground. Shot placement is more important, but I don't take "pot shots" either, thats how people get hurt. The 85g hpbt going 3200fps works just fine.

Plus its a nice and light rifle to carry all day.

Yep.. I know, I will get it for this one...


Link Posted: 1/2/2002 6:12:23 PM EDT
The .30-06 is not so popular - any sporting goods store, no matter how small, that you walk into anywhere in the world is more likely to have .30-06 on the shelf than about any other cartridge, except perhaps .22 Long Rifle.

The .308 is not a compromised .30-06. It has about 100 to 150 fps less muzzle velocity in most loads, and it is consistently more accurate.

All 3 cartidges will be around for a lot longer than your advisers. The comment is likely biased on a "western" hunting cartridge idea that faster (.270 Winchester) and harder hitting (7mm Remington Magnum) are the "best" cartridges for the long shots and big animals out west. Phooey!

If you can't decide, get a .30-06. Check out a reloading manual at the library and look at the enormous number of loads from light to heavy that are available; I'll bet you can't find a more versatile cartridge.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 7:12:50 PM EDT
IMO it ain't dead 'til the big 3 rifle makers quit offering new rifles chambered for a particular cartiridge.
Link Posted: 1/2/2002 7:18:59 PM EDT
Personally I don't know why everybody is going to those belted magnums. Most of the people I know who have them don't know their ballistic tables or how to hunt, it is just the "in gun" right now.
Link Posted: 1/5/2002 9:13:44 AM EDT
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one that thought these cartridges wheren't dead. Myself I prefer the .308.
Link Posted: 1/5/2002 9:21:22 AM EDT
Like Troy said it is always a comprimise. You can have too much cartridge. Where I hunt in south Georgia, at times a 30-06 can be way too much cartridge! When shooting the massive collie size deer we have here you can wind up just poking a .30 cal hole in the deer and it runs off like nothing happened. It overpenetrates and does not significantly damage the deer. No I am talking about ranges well under 100 yards here, the property we hunt on is heavily wooded and to see something beyond 50 yards is impossible. In these conditions a .243 or .270 is awesome!


And I have killed a real nice doe with a 64gr Winchester out of my AR15 down here as well!!
Link Posted: 1/5/2002 9:32:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2002 9:33:38 AM EDT by schapman43]
Let me guess you were in a red neck hunting shop? It sounds like something you would hear in a shop here in Cheyenne, WY
Link Posted: 1/5/2002 6:08:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/5/2002 6:12:40 PM EDT by coyote3]
Here's a quote taken from "America's Favorite Deer Cartridges" by Chris Christian

"The question as to which caliber is the most popular among deer hunters is easier to answer — just say .30-06. Despite the fact that it is approaching its 100th birthday, it is not only one of the annual leaders in ammo sales, but according to RCBS, it is the clear leader in reloading die sales among deer rifle calibers. It is followed (in sales orders) by the .308, .243, .270, .300 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, and the .30-30."

Here's the link for the whole article:
www.gunsandgear.com/Targets%20&%20Trophies/lead.htm

coyote3
Link Posted: 1/5/2002 7:13:48 PM EDT
.243 is still a pretty big cartridge around here. Alot of them pulling 'yote duty. I love mine as you can go light for prarie dogs to heavy for deer or antelope (not that we have antelope and we cant rifle hunt deer). It is a great little light cartridge.

There is no way the .308 or .30-06 is dead. These are the two biggest rounds in the mid to lower end of the heavy range. I think they will far outlive me.
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