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Posted: 11/23/2001 2:17:38 PM EDT
If you had your choice of any rifle "or pistol if you prefer but i doubt it" just 1. In a human combat urban/& or jungle, Desert, etc. What would it be?

Let the debate begin.

Link Posted: 11/23/2001 2:28:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jander100:
If you had your choice of any rifle "or pistol if you prefer but i doubt it" just 1. In a human combat urban/& or jungle, Desert, etc. What would it be?

Let the debate begin.




Cripes. This topic always elicits groans from the members, along with the 9mmvs.45, ARvsAK, pistols to fight bears, favorite liquor, etc.

HOWEVER

Being recently reaffirmed in my role as a marksman, I'd have to take my .308 40X.

But, I'd sneak my Bushy around on my back

shooter
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 2:28:20 PM EDT
My rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 2:48:29 PM EDT
if I was in north dakota I would take a mcmilan 50 cal cause you can see along way
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 3:19:31 PM EDT
Guess I would go with a mini-gun like the one Jesse Ventura carried in "The Predator", assuming I could get someone to carry it for me.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 3:26:33 PM EDT
I would want an M40A1 106mm recoiless rifle along with a Humvee to carry it around with.


"That's not a rifle.... THAT'S a rifle"

Michael
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 3:28:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By e8ght:
My rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.



Thats what I'm takin, MINE
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 3:53:35 PM EDT
My M4 of course. Just feels right in my hands. Compact, lightweight, and versatile round.

I do like the FAL in .308 because of the firepower. But theirs alot of weight between the rifle, mags, and ammo.

Sure can carry alot more .223! I think I'd want as much ammo as possible. That .308 rifle is useless if you run out of ammo.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 4:19:37 PM EDT
I'll bring mine and just upgrade if needed.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 4:39:08 PM EDT
hell yea seamusmcoi
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 4:49:56 PM EDT
5.56 rule's, I'd wanna 16" HBAR, with a reflex site, and telescoping stock, tac light and vertical fore grip, and a M-9 Bayonet. Then I might lug a 24" inch match complete upper reciever with a fluted barrel just in case of some sniping opprotunities, just pop off the 16" and on with the 24" with a bipod of course and a 12-32x50 mil dot. Both being in the single fire, 3 round burst fire config.

yea, :) that'd be it, and a H&K USP .45 acp with laser sighting.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 5:20:09 PM EDT
Phazed plasma rifle in 40-watt range...
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 5:29:39 PM EDT
Having never been in combat, how could I know.

I guess I would like a Sniper Set-Up M1A. A glock 22 for a sidearm. and maybe a small sub machine gun too, 9mm of course.

Of course an AK-47 and a 1911 would be my second choice.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 6:31:51 PM EDT
charlene
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 6:40:07 PM EDT
M4 with as much ammo as I could carry. 2nd choice would be an AK. Just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 8:11:29 PM EDT
I would take whatever I thought I could get more ammo for locally. If I had to fight somewhere that only had 7.62x39 AKs I would probably take an AK.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 8:16:00 PM EDT
My AR is cute and all, but I'd have to go with the Garand. No contest!
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 10:49:44 PM EDT
the same rifle I always use in combat. If you work for your Uncle Sam, he will give you a free gun and all the ammo you can shoot. Bonus, you get grenades, claymores and a belt-fed for nothing. All you gotta do is show up, hell they even pay ya.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 10:54:56 PM EDT
id take your rifle. mine was just cleaned.
Link Posted: 11/23/2001 11:02:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/23/2001 10:56:13 PM EDT by toaster]


The 120mm Rheinmetall is considered to be a rifle, right?
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:28:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By toaster:


The 120mm Rheinmetall is considered to be a rifle, right?



No, sorry, that's a smoothbore. No rifling
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:37:02 AM EDT
Urban&Jungle,(I live in FL so it will be one of these) My Mossberg 590 you can have all the f*ing body armor you want I just push it out the other side

Desert,Ar-15 full 20"


Side arm would be a 1911 you can have the other stuff.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:46:30 AM EDT
AR 15 THE ONLY WAY TO FIGHT OTHER THAN COLD BLUE STEEL!
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:57:30 AM EDT
G-3 all the way baby!!It's known for being AK like as far as operating in adverse conditions,not to mention the hard hitting 7.62 round!
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 4:26:11 AM EDT
I would first take an AK-47. Lots in use so no problem with ammo, extra magazines or spare parts.
My second choice would be an M16A2. As far as a side arm any thing 9mm because of ammo.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 4:38:59 AM EDT
Our Uncle was a smart guy when he went to the M16. Now that it has the bugs out of it, that's the variant I'd go with. Love my 7.62 (308) but it's heavy. U did say urban and desert. A heavy weopon is no fun to carry. If I had help. my 10T would be the chioce.

AR-15, 20" flatop 1:8 twist w solid mount and scope. Great for Urban sniping, long desert shots, not too heavy.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 5:52:15 AM EDT
Just give me combat!
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:04:49 AM EDT
Here's another good choice, the 20mm rifle. I wonder where the bayonet lugs are.

Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:12:42 AM EDT
where's that pic of McUzi?
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 9:21:50 AM EDT
a asult rifel
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 9:25:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gnfiter2:
Our Uncle was a smart guy when he went to the M16. Now that it has the bugs out of it, that's the variant I'd go with. Love my 7.62 (308) but it's heavy. U did say urban and desert. A heavy weopon is no fun to carry. If I had help. my 10T would be the chioce.

AR-15, 20" flatop 1:8 twist w solid mount and scope. Great for Urban sniping, long desert shots, not too heavy.



Weight of an M16 A2: 8 lbs. Weight of an M14: 8.75 lbs.

Biggest difference weight wise is no longer the rifle, but the ammunition.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 9:40:51 AM EDT
I would pick a rifle that I could chamber my enemies ammo in therfore as I kill them I have a never ending supply .Kill them and advance and stockup on ammo at same time.Probably bushmaster AR15 with a .223 and 7.62x39 upper .
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 12:50:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2001 1:35:17 PM EDT by Ropes4u]
M16 with the three round burst. I always wanted a gun with a sweet spot.

Then again this is a dream so a phaser would be cool

For an over the top selection one of those unlimited round m16s that blows shit up like in all those hollywierd movies.

Ropes

Link Posted: 11/24/2001 2:20:37 PM EDT
1100....20guage........
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 3:08:22 PM EDT
being active duty army, in a combat MOS, and having to carry an issued M-16, keep it clean, keep it oiled, keep it zeroed, and put my life on it, i would much rather carry a G3. or an M14. hell, i don't care how heavy it is, i want it to work and fire a 7.62 projectile!
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 3:12:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2001 3:05:30 PM EDT by BlackandGreen]
AR10 carbine select fire........or m14 select fire..................(only joshin on the 1100-20)............(for those of you who don`t realize it)
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 3:24:35 PM EDT
SkS
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 3:37:52 PM EDT
I thought all the m1 rifles are being dismantled and it was a federal order or some shit to dismantle your 1911s and M1s. I dont know I could be wrong but I got a newsletter about this from my gun club.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 3:46:47 PM EDT
Rich314,

da-da-damn glad I didn't have hot coffee at this desk. I was howlin' anyway.

Dave S


Link Posted: 11/24/2001 5:30:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2001 5:23:36 PM EDT by Arock]
Whatever lets me sit just outside my adversary's effective range and plink at him at will.

*Edited for sub-standard grammar.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 5:41:11 PM EDT
SUITCASE NUKE!!!!!!!


-SS
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 5:41:26 PM EDT
Nobody'd like to have the m249 SAW?

Urban environment - shoot till the house caves in

Jungle/forest environment - shoot till the trees fall down

Desert environment - shoot till anything with a rifle ceases to move
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 5:49:07 PM EDT
"5.56 rule's, I'd wanna 16" HBAR, with a reflex site, and telescoping stock, tac light and vertical fore grip, and a M-9 Bayonet. Then I might lug a 24" inch match complete upper reciever with a fluted barrel just in case of some sniping opprotunities, just pop off the 16" and on with the 24" with a bipod of course and a 12-32x50 mil dot. Both being in the single fire, 3 round burst fire config."

Oh yes, I like this line of thought. Can I please add a .22 conversion, to take out lights, hunt small game, OR a silencer please. I would add my Glock model 22 (.40 cal) as a side arm. Since its up to the author, just for the hell of it, I'll make this a 3 gun race, and add a Ben. 12 Ga if I had a place to set up a secure area with my buddies. If not, drop the semi-auto shotgun. I just like the versatility of it, but I sure don't want to carry all 3. Yep, AR15 in above manner and Glock. I now have a warm, happy feeling here :-)
Art in NJ (just visiting)
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:20:40 PM EDT
My ideal would be a scoped semi-auto, either in .308 or .223(don't care which). My other criteria would be a relatively lightweight rifle, 20or30 rounds in the mag, a long barrel, and "decent" ammo. Rifle done-up in cammo. The weapon would have to be so good and ergonomic that it would be easy and quick to put bullets where I wanted them.

So what rifle is that? Dunno, haven't got anything that answers that description. A surplus bolt-action in .303 or 6.5 Swede is the best of what I do have.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:41:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By toaster:
www.army-technology.com/projects/abrams/images/abram10.jpg

The 120mm Rheinmetall is considered to be a rifle, right?




Nope, it's a smoothbore.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:42:18 PM EDT
Make mine an M-1A.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 6:57:42 PM EDT
Assuming we're talking about the general-issue infantry rifle, and that I had a supply system pushing ammo, mags, and spare parts to the front lines (i.e., was in a military unit), I'd pick an M14 first, FAL second, and M16 third.

If I had to scrounge ammo after my own supply ran out (SHTF scenario) then I'd leave home with my AR15 and take what I could from dead enemies. I'd prefer my M1A in this scenario as well, but the odds of ambushing troops carrying an M60 or M240G aren't very good. Besides, I'd probably be loath to get rid of the M1A even when my dwindling ammo supply dictates that I should, and that would lead to me being caught without ammo. Better to take a rifle that I feel is somewhat inferior (AR15) but will have abundant enemy-supplied spares.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:09:02 PM EDT
When I was in a position that required me to be prepared to go into combat, I expect that I would have done so with a pair of 7.62mm GAU-2A/Bs with 10,000 rounds of 4 to 1 Ball and tracer, 2 seven shot 2.75 inch rocket pods and .38 revolver.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 7:21:05 PM EDT
As much as I like the AR, I'd go with the FAL.
Over the years more than eighty governments have chosen it as their main battle axe.
It has proven it's reliability all over the world, under any condition(s) you'd care to mention. That's good enough for me.
I'm a little surprised that only a few have chosen it.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:25:51 PM EDT
The ONLY requirement I have for a battle rifle is that it functions ALWAYS with ANY ammo I feed it. I would definatly prefer a semi-auto, but any reapeater will do. Accuracy is nice when shooting at a distance, but do you really need sub MOA groups in combat? Reliability is the only real issue. AR, AK, FAL, G3....I'll take what I can get and pillage if I need to.
Link Posted: 11/24/2001 8:28:42 PM EDT
Since I cant have a tank, I choose the Benneli M4 Super 90.
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