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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ruger Mini 14 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/27/2015 2:27:36 AM EDT
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Hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a Mini 14 as a home defense weapon as well as a new ranch rifle. But my friends tell me to get an AR instead due to it being only $200-300 more the the Mini 14.
What do you guys think? any suggestions? Mini 14 or an AR? I'm new to 5.56/223 caliber so I need some input 
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Now you've done it. The Ranch Rifle has a spotty reputation for accuracy. My own experience with it shows minute of pie plate accuracy. Other than that it seems to be a very reliable rifle. well then should I just get an AR instead? If I do what kind of AR should I look into? 
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You can put together a PSA AR15 for less than you can buy a Mini-14 for, which will be more accurate and versatile.
I hade a Stainless Ranch model that was highly inaccurate regardless of ammunition used, roughly 4" groups at 100 yards, it was pathetic really... So it got sold A basic PSA carbine can be put together for roughly $600 (last one I put together) and will shoot 1-2" groups in most cases At the $700 price point, the Ruger Mini 14/30 is a joke 
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When it comes to shooting 5.56, you cant beat an ar
Get a colt, bcm, psa, spikes tactical, or a combination of those You can have a great ar for around $800 Any Initial savings of the mini will be offset by the expensive magazines, and other accessories to mount a scope and light |
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The capability of the AR platform supercedes that of the Mini 14 by several orders of magnitude. Years ago, the Mini 14 had a certain appeal because it was less expensive than many AR platforms while still being a dependable weapon. Now, you can get any number of "milspec" or "commercial" AR's for less than the price of a Mini 14. For example, I put together a "milspec" AR carbine last week using parts/components from PSA that cost less than $650. That $650 carbine is a derivative of one of the most proven and dependable military small arms in history. It uses cheap and readily available magazines/parts/accessories and can be configured in any number of fashions, depending upon application and appetite. In terms of performance, price and pretty much every other measurable category, the AR trumps the Mini 14.
That being said, AR's are boring. They are a dime a dozen (for good reason), everyone has one and evidently alll you need to operate operationally is to buy a "retail grade" AR, Magpul fuck it and get a neck-beard. Not to sound cynical or hypocritical, but I've been bored with AR's for the last 20+ years. Granted, they have been my primary defensive weapon in that same 20+ year span, but I also appreciate a little diversity. I've owned several Mini 14's and have been been very pleased with their performance. They've all been reliable and great shooting weapons... I used to hear the stories of inaccuracy, but mine were all 2 MOA or less when cold. I had a GB carbine with ASI's mechanical bedding system that would consistently shoot 1.5 MOA with 69 grain SMK's, again, when cold. That's not what I would call "inaccurate" for a 5.56 service type carbine... Because of the barrel's profile and the weapon's operating system, the groups would open up quite a bit once they heated up. That being said, even when boiling hot, the groups were always "minute of man" out to 300 yards or more. I can't remember ever having an issue with any of mine that wasn't attributable to ammunition or magazines. Mine were all very reliable and dependable weapons. I always loved the look and feel of the Mini 14 GB too. With the exception of the pre-580 series Ranch rifles, I always liked the iron sights too. They are functional, comfortable, and since there is minimal height over bore, very easy to use-especially for newer shooters. Depending on the model/series, mounting an optic ranges from no-way to no-problem. There's plenty of aftermarket stuff out there to help folks make their Mini's even more usable too. Factory magazines are also now readily available and aren't the $150+ some of us remember paying for factory 30's years ago. For the TL;DR crowd- a quality AR is "better" and is either the same money or cheaper than a Mini14 (depending on the model). That being said, the Mini 14 is very much a reliable, dependable, functional and viable 5.56 carbine. An "A-Team" or Snake Plisskin style Mini 14 is orders of magnitude cooler than yet another M4gery. If you like Mini 14's buy one 
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You can put together a PSA AR15 for less than you can buy a Mini-14 for, which will be more accurate and versatile. I hade a Stainless Ranch model that was highly inaccurate regardless of ammunition used, roughly 4" groups at 100 yards, it was pathetic really... So it got sold A basic PSA carbine can be put together for roughly $600 (last one I put together) and will shoot 1-2" groups in most cases At the $700 price point, the Ruger Mini 14/30 is a joke
This. You can spend $700 for the rifle, then at least another $300-$500 to accurize it. It IS a neat gun and I'd have kept mine if it had reasonable accuracy. Also, accuracy deteriorates when the very thin barrel of the Mini heats up. |
well thanks for the input guys. So I should look at an AR then 
How is the Colt 6920? My one friend I was talking to said It's a good AR to get? Also what due you mean "Build" an AR from PSA? I have no Idea how to build an AR? Do you need any special tools to build an AR? I'm sorry for the dumb questions guys, I'm still new to the hole "Build an AR" or "Buy an AR" deal 
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well thanks for the input guys. So I should look at an AR then
How is the Colt 6920? My one friend I was talking to said It's a good AR to get? Also what due you mean "Build" an AR from PSA? I have no Idea how to build an AR? Do you need any special tools to build an AR? I'm sorry for the dumb questions guys, I'm still new to the hole "Build an AR" or "Buy an AR" deal Buy a bcm complete upper, around 500 Buy a psa complete lower, 170 Pop 2 pins, attach the upper, and pop the pins back |
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When it comes to shooting 5.56, you cant beat an ar Get a colt, bcm, psa, spikes tactical, or a combination of those You can have a great ar for around $800 Any Initial savings of the mini will be offset by the expensive magazines, and other accessories to mount a scope and light Factory mags start at about $25.00; non-factory mags are poorly designed and don't work well. AR mags start at maybe $9.95 each or even less. |
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Hey guys. I'm thinking about getting a Mini 14 as a home defense weapon as well as a new ranch rifle. But my friends tell me to get an AR instead due to it being only $200-300 more the the Mini 14. What do you guys think? any suggestions? Mini 14 or an AR? I'm new to 5.56/223 caliber so I need some input I have both and I think the AR is a better value for some of the reasons listed above. The Mini-14 is kind of expensive or what it is, and the magazines are relatively expensive as well. Even Ruger sells an AR for less than the Mini-14: http://www.ruger.com/products/ar556/models.html |
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Mini 14 is probably less finicky and more reliable. lol There's one in every crowd. Lets sword fight with an AR and a mini and see which one wins. I have one mini and several ARs. Obviously the man should buy an AR, but they are not the end all weapon. |
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Get a 6920 or a Palmetto State Armory or maybe an S&W mp15 ETA I own two of each. I need to get around to selling my spare Mini. Quoted:
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Mini 14 is probably less finicky and more reliable. AR is more trendy and customizable. Now you've really done it
Get a 6920 or a Palmetto State Armory or maybe an S&W mp15 ETA I own two of each. I need to get around to selling my spare Mini. I must admit that as inaccurate as I found it to be, my Mini 14 had fewer problems than my AR15 (failure to feed, mostly cured by changing mags). I cannot recall one incident with my Mini 14 failing to feed or eject WHILE USING FACTORY MAGS. |
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Well thanks for the input guys! 
I'm leaning towards the Colt 6920LE for my AR. Anyone know what price is good to pay for one? I see Colt's going for 900+?
Also what is better to get? a "Bare boned" Colt or a "Fancy" one? (meaning already have grips and optics) Get a bare AR, then add stuff as you need. The AR platform is very, very customizable. Any suggestions anyone could make here probably won't fit your need or budget. One thing you'll want to do is to learn who makes good high-quality accessories vs. junk. This site is very good for that! |
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I must admit that as inaccurate as I found it to be, my Mini 14 had fewer problems than my AR15 (failure to feed, mostly cured by changing mags). I cannot recall one incident with my Mini 14 failing to feed or eject WHILE USING FACTORY MAGS. Quoted:
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Mini 14 is probably less finicky and more reliable. AR is more trendy and customizable. Now you've really done it
Get a 6920 or a Palmetto State Armory or maybe an S&W mp15 ETA I own two of each. I need to get around to selling my spare Mini. I must admit that as inaccurate as I found it to be, my Mini 14 had fewer problems than my AR15 (failure to feed, mostly cured by changing mags). I cannot recall one incident with my Mini 14 failing to feed or eject WHILE USING FACTORY MAGS. I have a hand me down from my grandfather that runs like a top and is actually quite accurate (with factory mags), my newer one... not so much (no FTF or FTE though)
I don't hate them, in fact I like them a lot. If they weren't so hit and miss, they would have a far bigger following |
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Another vote for the AR here. I have a mini. I like my mini. It isn't as accurate as any of my ARs for shooting groups. It is still suitable for antipersonnel work to 300 yards or so, which is far beyond any range I could justify a claim of self defense. But I got my mini from my brother to settle a $250.00 debt. Added a $45.00 flash hider, and a $90.00 accu-strut and am still under $500.00. If you could find that price, I would say go for it. You can't, but with the glut of decent AR's on the market, a 700-800.00 truthfully is not the best use of funds for someone who may be buying their first rifle or who is not an enthusiast who wants something different. Compare a store bought rifle and 10 magazines. The last time I checked price on a Mini-14 tactical around me it was 714.00. Thirty round factory Ruger magazines average 30.00 each that I can find, so even without taxes you would be looking at over a thousand dollars. S&W M&P Sport AR's routinely sell for 675.00 around me, and that is HIGH if you know how to shop. A ten pack of aluminum 30s can routinely be found for 60.00-70.00, leaving 200-300 dollars for ammunition, optics etc. Go AR. |
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Another vote for the AR here. I have a mini. I like my mini. It isn't as accurate as any of my ARs for shooting groups. It is still suitable for antipersonnel work to 300 yards or so, which is far beyond any range I could justify a claim of self defense. But I got my mini from my brother to settle a $250.00 debt. Added a $45.00 flash hider, and a $90.00 accu-strut and am still under $500.00. If you could find that price, I would say go for it. You can't, but with the glut of decent AR's on the market, a 700-800.00 truthfully is not the best use of funds for someone who may be buying their first rifle or who is not an enthusiast who wants something different. Compare a store bought rifle and 10 magazines. The last time I checked price on a Mini-14 tactical around me it was 714.00. Thirty round factory Ruger magazines average 30.00 each that I can find, so even without taxes you would be looking at over a thousand dollars. S&W M&P Sport AR's routinely sell for 675.00 around me, and that is HIGH if you know how to shop. A ten pack of aluminum 30s can routinely be found for 60.00-70.00, leaving 200-300 dollars for ammunition, optics etc. Go AR. Is S&W M&P Sport a good AR? What is it like compared to the Colt 6920? |
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Quoted: Is S&W M&P Sport a good AR? What is it like compared to the Colt 6920? Quoted: Quoted: Another vote for the AR here. I have a mini. I like my mini. It isn't as accurate as any of my ARs for shooting groups. It is still suitable for antipersonnel work to 300 yards or so, which is far beyond any range I could justify a claim of self defense. But I got my mini from my brother to settle a $250.00 debt. Added a $45.00 flash hider, and a $90.00 accu-strut and am still under $500.00. If you could find that price, I would say go for it. You can't, but with the glut of decent AR's on the market, a 700-800.00 truthfully is not the best use of funds for someone who may be buying their first rifle or who is not an enthusiast who wants something different. Compare a store bought rifle and 10 magazines. The last time I checked price on a Mini-14 tactical around me it was 714.00. Thirty round factory Ruger magazines average 30.00 each that I can find, so even without taxes you would be looking at over a thousand dollars. S&W M&P Sport AR's routinely sell for 675.00 around me, and that is HIGH if you know how to shop. A ten pack of aluminum 30s can routinely be found for 60.00-70.00, leaving 200-300 dollars for ammunition, optics etc. Go AR. Is S&W M&P Sport a good AR? What is it like compared to the Colt 6920? standard it willing be viewed as lacking against a Colt 6920. I was just using it as a for instance in my comparison. Being backed by S&W, the biggest things generally held against it are no forward assist (of debated utility) and no ejection port cover.......which is kind of irrelevant if comparing it to the open action of a mini-14. Edit. With some places like Palmetto State Armory selling 6920s? for 799.99 from time to time, it is completely unjustifiable for a first time buyer to pay 700-800 for a mini-14. It isn't that the mini is a bad rifle. It just is not as good ergonomically, economically, or logistically as a quality AR-15. |
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I own a Mini14 and a couple AR's in various configurations, and for home defense I'd go with an AR. Right now they're in the same price range, but the main factor that makes an AR desirable is it's modularity.
A collapsing stock is great for shooters of all sizes - a six position stock will accommodate most folks. To add that feature to a Mini, you'll need to dish out more cash on a replacement stock. A flat top receiver easily accommodates a variety of optics. A Mini comes with a set of 1" scope rings that attach to proprietary mounting points on the receiver. 30mm rings are also availabel, however if you wanted to use Weaver or picatinny mounts, an adapter must be purchased. Even though the adapter is as low profile as it can get. It adds considerable height of the sight over the bore. The other alternative is a mount like the one Ultimak sells, however this also is a bit more pricey for adding an optic. Use of iron sights: There is a variety of replacement iron sights for the AR. It's also possible to co-witness an AR's iron sights through a red dot sight. With a Mini, you're limited to only 2 or so aftermarket iron sight providers, and the iron sights do not have to option to co-witness with a red dot sight. I like my Mini, however it doesn't come out of the box ready for what I'd like to do for an HD gun. |
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IMHO, the Achilles heel of the Mini has always been its mag. Factory mags are reliable, but expensive and in an AR dominated world, it doesn't make sense to have a 5.56 rifle use a scarce proprietary magazine. If Ruger could make a version of the Mini accept AR magazines, I think it would sell very well. Garand / M14 action, piston driven, AR mag compatible would be a very nice rifle.
Unfortunately, Ruger has no interest in doing this. It's even more mind boggling that the Mini-30 wasn't designed for, and still doesn't take, AK47 mags. You design a 7.62x39 rifle to accepts rock-in steel mags, very similar to the AK, and you have it take proprietary mags?? That makes ZERO sense! It would be incredibly easy to design a version that accepts AK mags (which are cheap and plentiful), and yet they refuse to do it! Mags were and are the downfall of the Mini, and I love the rifle! |
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I own a Mini14 and a couple AR's in various configurations, and for home defense I'd go with an AR. Right now they're in the same price range, but the main factor that makes an AR desirable is it's modularity. A collapsing stock is great for shooters of all sizes - a six position stock will accommodate most folks. To add that feature to a Mini, you'll need to dish out more cash on a replacement stock. A flat top receiver easily accommodates a variety of optics. A Mini comes with a set of 1" scope rings that attach to proprietary mounting points on the receiver. 30mm rings are also availabel, however if you wanted to use Weaver or picatinny mounts, an adapter must be purchased. Even though the adapter is as low profile as it can get. It adds considerable height of the sight over the bore. The other alternative is a mount like the one Ultimak sells, however this also is a bit more pricey for adding an optic. Use of iron sights: There is a variety of replacement iron sights for the AR. It's also possible to co-witness an AR's iron sights through a red dot sight. With a Mini, you're limited to only 2 or so aftermarket iron sight providers, and the iron sights do not have to option to co-witness with a red dot sight. I like my Mini, however it doesn't come out of the box ready for what I'd like to do for an HD gun. FWIW a micro dot will co-witness when using it on an Ultimak rail. I have a PA red dot that does. That being said, the AR is still far, far more optic-ready and flexible. |
| Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. |
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I have seen at least 4 different Mini's where the trigger guard would come loose during shooting. This was always on the thin barrel models whether ranch rifle, fixed sight model or GB variant. When the fire control group falls out the shooting comes to a halt. I've seen this happen to LEO while qualifying with Mini 14's. I've never seen any discussion about this issue and I'm not completely sure of the cause. I know one local PD sent the rifle back to Ruger for repair. I never knew if this was caused by the hooks on the trigger guards becoming worn, wear in the stock or the locking mechanism of the trigger guard. I've seen this failure on after market synthetic stocks and Ruger wood stocks.
This alone made me glad I transitioned away from the mini to the AR-15 as I really don't believe the Mini is as robust as some people think. For casual use they're OK but for duty use I prefer AR's. |
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The It always cracks me up when a person that is new to the AR platform is advised to build a rifle.
Really? The new guys that take this advice usually end up posting on here "need help with new gun jamming". 
If you want to "get into ARs" then build one. If you just want a rifle it's cheaper and less of a headache to buy one. M&P Sports are selling here for <$600. That's hard to beat and S&W has some of the best warranty service in the industry. I have the Sport and a Mini Tactical. Both are excellent guns. If you like the Mini and don't plan on buying a bunch of gear, taking classes, or competing, just buy a new one. I've had several and new ones are much improved. Promag 20rd mags can be found for $20 each and are identical to factory. In my opinion the Mini is easier to clean and maintain. You can't go wrong with a Sport, but you can also find Colt guns at Walmart if you want to spend a few $ more. You will find very few reports of problems with either gun. If you just want a reliable rifle and are not worried about having a "real operator gun" the Sport will serve you well. The cheapest option is a Sport or other entry level, factory built gun. Ruger also has a new low cost AR that's getting good reviews. You will also want a few mags and at least 200 rounds of ammo. You can probably do this for $700-800. |
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I have seen at least 4 different Mini's where the trigger guard would come loose during shooting. This was always on the thin barrel models whether ranch rifle, fixed sight model or GB variant. When the fire control group falls out the shooting comes to a halt. I've seen this happen to LEO while qualifying with Mini 14's. I've never seen any discussion about this issue and I'm not completely sure of the cause. I know one local PD sent the rifle back to Ruger for repair. I never knew if this was caused by the hooks on the trigger guards becoming worn, wear in the stock or the locking mechanism of the trigger guard. I've seen this failure on after market synthetic stocks and Ruger wood stocks. This alone made me glad I transitioned away from the mini to the AR-15 as I really don't believe the Mini is as robust as some people think. For casual use they're OK but for duty use I prefer AR's. I've had this happen. It was on a used gun I had purchased. It usually happens to guns that have been taken apart many, many times. The trigger guard has lost it's spring tension. I fixed mine by just bending the trigger guard a little. When I contacted Ruger, they replaced the entire trigger assembly at no cost, even though I wasn't the original owner. |
| For a home defense weapon probably comes down to more of personal preference, you can get into them for about the same cost but the AR mags are cheaper as has been stated, I think the Minis accuracy issues don't come into play much when you are talking about shooting at something so close. |
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I've had this happen. It was on a used gun I had purchased. It usually happens to guns that have been taken apart many, many times. The trigger guard has lost it's spring tension. I fixed mine by just bending the trigger guard a little. When I contacted Ruger, they replaced the entire trigger assembly at no cost, even though I wasn't the original owner. Quoted:
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I have seen at least 4 different Mini's where the trigger guard would come loose during shooting. This was always on the thin barrel models whether ranch rifle, fixed sight model or GB variant. When the fire control group falls out the shooting comes to a halt. I've seen this happen to LEO while qualifying with Mini 14's. I've never seen any discussion about this issue and I'm not completely sure of the cause. I know one local PD sent the rifle back to Ruger for repair. I never knew if this was caused by the hooks on the trigger guards becoming worn, wear in the stock or the locking mechanism of the trigger guard. I've seen this failure on after market synthetic stocks and Ruger wood stocks. This alone made me glad I transitioned away from the mini to the AR-15 as I really don't believe the Mini is as robust as some people think. For casual use they're OK but for duty use I prefer AR's. I've had this happen. It was on a used gun I had purchased. It usually happens to guns that have been taken apart many, many times. The trigger guard has lost it's spring tension. I fixed mine by just bending the trigger guard a little. When I contacted Ruger, they replaced the entire trigger assembly at no cost, even though I wasn't the original owner. Thanks for the reply, at least I'm not jinx and it's happened except around me.
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day |
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I have seen at least 4 different Mini's where the trigger guard would come loose during shooting. This was always on the thin barrel models whether ranch rifle, fixed sight model or GB variant. When the fire control group falls out the shooting comes to a halt. I've seen this happen to LEO while qualifying with Mini 14's. I've never seen any discussion about this issue and I'm not completely sure of the cause. I know one local PD sent the rifle back to Ruger for repair. I never knew if this was caused by the hooks on the trigger guards becoming worn, wear in the stock or the locking mechanism of the trigger guard. I've seen this failure on after market synthetic stocks and Ruger wood stocks. This alone made me glad I transitioned away from the mini to the AR-15 as I really don't believe the Mini is as robust as some people think. For casual use they're OK but for duty use I prefer AR's. I've had this happen. It was on a used gun I had purchased. It usually happens to guns that have been taken apart many, many times. The trigger guard has lost it's spring tension. I fixed mine by just bending the trigger guard a little. When I contacted Ruger, they replaced the entire trigger assembly at no cost, even though I wasn't the original owner. Thanks for the reply, at least I'm not jinx and it's happened except around me.
Like both the M1 Garand, and the M-14/M1A, the mechanism (lugs) that locks the trigger group to the action must be greased to forestall undue wear. Almost never mentioned, but a quick glance at how all of them lock up will show that a couple of dabs of grease in the right spots is a good idea. |
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Mini 14 is probably less finicky and more reliable. AR is more trendy and customizable. My extent of experience with a Mini 14 is taking one apart and cleaning it for an aquaintance that inherited one and it was his first gun. With that, i've owned five ARs, from a cheapie DelTon to a LWRC and none have ever been finicky or unreliable. Get an AR, OP. |
| The first gun I bought when I was 18 (1985) was a mini- paid $265 new for it out the door. Wouldn't give $265 for one now. They are pretty much a jam-a-matic unless you get factory mags ($$$). SOME aftermarkets work, but you have to get lucky. Lots of $ to pay for such a gun that's reliant on expensive factory mags just to work as advertised. Not to mention accuracy leaves a LOT to be desired. No serious agency or nation ever really used them- for a time they were just something bought on the cheap by LE and corrections for tower security and the like. You hardly hear of cops even using them any more- most cops that issue a rifle, its some type of AR. You can buy a decent AR in the $600-$700 range from palmetto, del-ton, even some of the more modest S&W models, and they work just fine in my experience. There's a shitload of customization options for later upgrades for things like optics, rails, lights, whatever. Not a whole lot you can do to a mini- at least not near as much as a AR. This web site is a wealth of knowledge on this subject. You get one and start to get into it, you will eventually go in this direction. The things are like legos, except for grown ups. |
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Similar modularity issues as the Mini: modifications are cost and labor intensive, whereas most AR's are good to go out of the box. |
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Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day Quoted:
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day Why, am I wrong? |
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Similar modularity issues as the Mini: modifications are cost and labor intensive, whereas most AR's are good to go out of the box. Quoted:
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Similar modularity issues as the Mini: modifications are cost and labor intensive, whereas most AR's are good to go out of the box. Yes, a lot of work is involved getting a Saiga back to its original design and modding m85 mags is very labor intensive. It is an option though if the OP is good with basic hand tools and likes working on his own guns. It's the rout I went and I couldn't be more happy with the results. It's not the simplest rout for sure but it's still very affordable if you can do it yourself. Very rewarding too. |
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day Why, am I wrong? The part in bold is pure gun store/internet BS. |
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Get a Saiga223, they can still be found for $500. Then add another $150-200 to relocate the fcg, add pistol grip, bullet guide and folding stock. M85pv mags can be found for $10 and they can be modified to work. You will have a Russian AK and steel magazines. That will be more reliable than any other 223 platform and you will not have to deal with inferior AR mags or expensive mini 14 mags. Op, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY! Get a psa lower, and an upper from spikes, BCM, or psa, pop the two takedown pisnpispins, and call it a day Why, am I wrong? Yes, you are wrong |
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