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12/5/2014 1:45:27 PM EDT
Watching an award screener...

Really bad, unfortunately. A good story would have allowed me to overlook the horrible authenticity issues, but alas, no.

Nonsensical story and characters.

Authenticity:

First image of the movie is of an M1 Abrams rolling down a rubble street in Fallujah, but it becomes immediately clear that this "tank" is actually an M60 chassis and tracks with an M1 hull and turret comped in as a visual effect. And unfortunately it gets worse...

Actors are clearly instructed to "fake" the recoil of their rifles due to the use of blanks.

"Marines" are carrying M16s that still have the wet, black look of just having been removed from the FN shipping crates.

The worst part is that I'm only 45 mins in...
12/5/2014 2:12:42 PM EDT
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Interesting
12/5/2014 2:26:33 PM EDT
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Does part of the movie take place in Ramadi?  Some of the guys in my platoon did fortification / Hesco work at Shark Base, by Camp AR-Ramadi across the river from Camp Blue Diamond and met some Seals stationed there - I wonder if Kyle was there.  I am curious if the movie follows closely to the book or deviates.
12/5/2014 2:43:29 PM EDT
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The worst part is that I'm only 45 mins in...
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Let us know how the rest turns out...
12/5/2014 3:20:57 PM EDT
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It does, but I don't even remember the word "Ramadi" being said.  It follows each of his 4 tours, but the whole thing is so hard to follow. Didn't read the book, but it is cut like a book rather than a movie. Didn't work for me.

Whole thing just didn't work.


12/5/2014 3:39:11 PM EDT
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I'll still watch it.
12/5/2014 3:42:09 PM EDT
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Oh hell yeah! Me too.

And some of the still shots and clips I've seen, the weapons (Kyle's anyways) looked to be spot on as far as authenticity.
12/5/2014 4:26:01 PM EDT
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And some of the still shots and clips I've seen, the weapons (Kyle's anyways) looked to be spot on as far as authenticity.
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.
12/5/2014 5:38:20 PM EDT
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.
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So which stick is he using for most of the movie? The Mk13? Any SR-25 or Mk12 action?
12/5/2014 5:57:01 PM EDT
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.


So which stick is he using for most of the movie? The Mk13? Any SR-25 or Mk12 action?


He uses the Mk25 and Mk12, but no Mk13. His main rig was a custom .338LM.
12/5/2014 5:59:27 PM EDT
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How are you watching the movie?

Doesn't it come out Christmas Day?
12/5/2014 6:06:44 PM EDT
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Reading is hard
12/5/2014 6:30:14 PM EDT
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Doesn't it come out Christmas Day?

Reading is hard


No, reading is for faggots
12/5/2014 8:27:22 PM EDT
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You've been able to get "award screeners" on the internetz for about a decade now.
12/5/2014 9:02:22 PM EDT
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.


So which stick is he using for most of the movie? The Mk13? Any SR-25 or Mk12 action?


He uses the Mk25 and Mk12, but no Mk13. His main rig was a custom .338LM.


In the book his favorite rifle was a 300 Win Mag bolt gun.
12/5/2014 9:18:07 PM EDT
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Doesn't it come out Christmas Day?



You've been able to get "award screeners" on the internetz for about a decade now.


Well there's the lead to this story.  How do we go about doing that?
12/5/2014 9:42:42 PM EDT
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.


So which stick is he using for most of the movie? The Mk13? Any SR-25 or Mk12 action?


He uses the Mk25 and Mk12, but no Mk13. His main rig was a custom .338LM.


In the book his favorite rifle was a 300 Win Mag bolt gun.


Main rig was .300WM, IIRC.  He made his longest shot with a McMillan TAC 338.
12/5/2014 9:53:49 PM EDT
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Doesn't it come out Christmas Day?



You've been able to get "award screeners" on the internetz for about a decade now.


Not mine. Being a guild member has its advantages...
12/5/2014 10:13:36 PM EDT
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So, how was the rest of the movie?

12/5/2014 11:11:58 PM EDT
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I sort of tuned out at some point, started reading with it playing in the background. That says something pretty negatively because I really wanted to see and like this film.

Every year starting just before Thanksgiving the award screeners start to arrive and it never fails that at least once per season, some studio goes through the trouble to create and distribute screeners "for award consideration" for a film that has no hope of garnering a nomination let alone an actual award. I never thought this would be that film.

I listened in mere 2.0 stereo, so maybe the sound design is just spectacular...
12/5/2014 11:13:06 PM EDT
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So uh... can I borrow your screener DVD?
12/5/2014 11:13:10 PM EDT
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His rifle is okay, some things aren't right about it. That didn't bother me as much as the basics.

Just lower your expectations and you'll be okay.


So which stick is he using for most of the movie? The Mk13? Any SR-25 or Mk12 action?


He uses the Mk25 and Mk12, but no Mk13. His main rig was a custom .338LM.


In the book his favorite rifle was a 300 Win Mag bolt gun.


Main rig was .300WM, IIRC.  He made his longest shot with a McMillan TAC 338.


Pretty sure the .300WM is the Mk13 Mod 5..
12/7/2014 7:19:14 PM EDT
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A war movie that isn't accurate historically or on equipment used? I'm shocked! Lol!

Bradley Cooper as baddest ass sniper ever. What could go wrong?

Seriously, I'll watch it regardless. It might surprise me. I have faith in Clint.
12/7/2014 7:27:36 PM EDT
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My faith in Clint Eastwood is strong.

I hope he doesn't disappoint.

Maybe he's senile.
12/8/2014 2:52:11 PM EDT
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Maybe it's just me, but it's rare that I see a movie or show that depicts recoil with a overly realistic look.  Actually, I've been watching the show Alias on Netflix and I'm season 3 and there was one time she was shooting at a car getting away and it was a close up shot.  And it surprised me about how realistic it looked while firing.  I think with an autoloader they could take a really loose grip and let the action of the slide appear to be recoiling like a real gun.  But a bolt action?  I guess they'd have to rig up some kind of weight inside the stock or barrel to simulate it.  I don't know.  

I know nothing about gun movie props.  But from what I  can tell, recoil characterstics on the silver screen has always been an issue.  Even with movies not that old they are pathetic.  In SPR the only time I saw recoil was when Tom Hanks was shooting at the tank with his .45 towards the end and it looked very delayed, like he was doing it.  Or something.  But there were many shots of them guys blazing away with their Garands like they were .22's.  When they were up on top of the hill taking the bunker the actions on the guns were so slow, it was like, OH man.  Looked like toys.  

Anyways...  that's my rant about recoil in movies and TV shows.  I think it just hasn't been done real good yet.  But I haven't watched all the movies with guns in them.  And there are probably some that get it right.  It just seems very rare to me.
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