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Posted: 10/22/2014 4:35:01 PM EDT
| I recently was offered to buy a 1919 Browning parts kit. It looks like it is mostly assembled except for the one side plate. What do i need to know about these kits? Im pretty sure it is setup for .308 currently. Where do i find the need reciever side plate? Where could i find a mount for this thing? How much should i be looking at spending? He is asking 900, but i didn't try to bargin with him, as i dont know what i should consider a good deal. Could i build a side plate? Any blue prints out there for 1919 stuff? Should i FO? P.S. i have unlimited access to a very large metal fabrication shop, with many machining centers, press brakes, lasers, etc. |
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$900 seems to be a decent price nowadays for an Izzy kit in 7.62.
http://www.karmametalproducts.com/KMP/KMP_1919.htm Karma/KMP has very nice side plates. You'll also need a set of rivets. A KMP trigger set up which will also come with instructions on how to machine the internals to work as semi auto only. M3 Tripods are all over the place now for $250-300. Pintles and T&E's are also still readily available. It's a very easy build after the internals are machined. |
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This one comes with most of the rivet work completed already from what i understood, along with any other needed parts. The 54r conversion sounds interesting as long as parts dont get too pricey. Any info available so i could machine my own side plate or crank setup?
Also, what are some things to look for when inspecting these? What would the value of a running one on a tripod be? |
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they are actually not very hard builds if you have access to the right equipment. At one point I had 6 Semis I built. I'm down to two now. one a4 and one a6.
Buy a spare barrel while you can Buy a set of spade grips. and good luck finding cheap .308 to run through it 
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Some of the old M1919's are still in action. Here is a just because video from two weeks ago when I was training the Guatemalan Army. New soldier, had never touched a machine gun before this day. Original 30 cal (30-06) with disintegrating links. Was actually easier to control than I thought it would be but the new guys had trouble.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8HWEqOSkZ0&feature=youtu.be[/youtube] |
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I have been real busy with work lately. Hopefully i can stop in tomorrow and check it out a bit closer. Oh and the weight issue, well maybe i will have to fab up a turret mount on top of my jeep commander It really is a simple build. Basically a box thats beltfed. However there are a few very specific parts that need to bw installedin order Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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$900 seems to be a decent price nowadays for an Izzy kit in 7.62. http://www.karmametalproducts.com/KMP/KMP_1919.htm Karma/KMP has very nice side plates. You'll also need a set of rivets. A KMP trigger set up which will also come with instructions on how to machine the internals to work as semi auto only. M3 Tripods are all over the place now for $250-300. Pintles and T&E's are also still readily available. It's a very easy build after the internals are machined. WHERE? The cheapest I can find is $350. |
Well i had my guy pull the kit from the back room and he let me take some photos. This is everything he has for it. Anyone able to tell me more about this 1919? Im not sure what im looking for as far as wear. With my machining background, it looks to be in solid mechanical condition as far as worn out contact areas, but im no expert.
It looks like there is a broken tap in this part below 
Does this look like it is missing parts other than the obvious right side plate? Any idea on the history of it? I know it may be hard as my camera phone sucks and there isnt much for markings on the gun. Anything i can learn from you all will be greaty appreciated. I did find a small engraving on the bottom that said Arizona Gun Runners. Im about to see if i can find anything out from googling that. Thank you fellas. |
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No that is not a rivet spot, that is for a screw that is to not be tightened tight. that block needs to be a little loose. it looks as if you are seeing the end of the screw. That's correct, you're seeing the staked end of the screw. There is more work to be done to keep it legal than what it looks like. If you machine your own, you have to use an O/S plate and machine an "island" on your side plate which intrudes into the box to keep from installing the FA parts. A corresponding cut is made on the bolt and the other reciprocating parts to allow them to be assembled after they are altered for SA. You will also need to buy the semi trigger and sear from someone like Karma or OOW and make the necessary mods to your parts to get them into a SA configuration. 
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It looks like the left side plate is attached with button head machine screws. That kind of fucks things up if you want to rivet it together like it should be. If you look at the other pics of the left side plate attached to the bottom plate you can see they are rivets. it Looks like it is simply a reflection in the picture. I had to look closely after you said that, because it sure does look like button head screws at first glance |
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Not to hijaak your thread, but what should one be looking for on a built semi 1919? One has gone up for sale locally and I am trying to find out the details plus any extra info. How can I tell it was a reliable build? re-read the entire thread. 1919a4.com is the ARFcom of the Browning world for any other questions you may have. |
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