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Posted: 4/26/2014 11:13:40 PM EDT
| So im kinda toying with the idea of going into 308 as a play rifle. And was thinking of getting one of the above rifles which of these two is the most cost effective ? I have never been able to handle either of these before so any input would be great. Or should i sit on what I have for now and save for when prices might drop later. Maybe i could try building one with a kit ? |
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Well, I think it's time for you to actually handle both of the rifles, use them a bit, and then make a decision. I'm sure if you dig deep you can find someone around with with examples of both. I like my FAL's, don't care for the H&K so much, but lots of people like them. Both do the same thing. Both have pros and cons. Go do some real world testing. |
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Well, I think it's time for you to actually handle both of the rifles, use them a bit, and then make a decision. I'm sure if you dig deep you can find someone around with with examples of both. I like my FAL's, don't care for the H&K so much, but lots of people like them. Both do the same thing. Both have pros and cons. Go do some real world testing. I live in a small town so its usually not possible for me to do this. The one thing that stood out for me was the ptr 91s seemed to be a lot cheaper than most fals I have seen. |
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Well, I think it's time for you to actually handle both of the rifles, use them a bit, and then make a decision. I'm sure if you dig deep you can find someone around with with examples of both. I like my FAL's, don't care for the H&K so much, but lots of people like them. Both do the same thing. Both have pros and cons. Go do some real world testing. I live in a small town so its usually not possible for me to do this. The one thing that stood out for me was the ptr 91s seemed to be a lot cheaper than most fals I have seen. There seems to be a bigger collector market for FALs. Both, if in spec, can be great guns. Ergonomics is what usually sets them sort, aside from a few other things like what ptrs do to brass or the cost of magazines and other pet peeves people have. I have had both, but still have the fal. You may want to check out the falfiles. |
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I have one of each. When I was able to make it to the range frequently, the FAL was pointed downrange a lot more than the PTR was. They both have their differences, but I prefer the FAL and think it's worth the extra price.
Pros PTR - prefers cheap ammo, mags are cheap, the rifle is cheaper, more accurate FAL - doesn't care what ammo you use, has a bolt hold open on last round, simple bolt and carrier set up, adjustable gas system Cons PTR - doesn't like brass... at all, complicated bolt and carrier set up, no bolt hold open on last round, chamber is nearly impossible to completely clean, drum sight for less than 200 yards, destroys cases FAL - heavier, mags are expensive(stick with GI mags, the DS arms mags aren't too great), more expensive if you want really tight groups over 300 yards, get the PTR, if you want something you'll shoot... a lot, then get the fal. |
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I think I am over my HK rifles. Going to build my mp5 and get rid of the long guns I think. They are a rock solid platform but aren't very ergonomic and the optics mounting sucks. Trigger was nasty on my ptr and my HKs.
I have a ptr 91k and I think I would rather have the plain fixed stock with a HK bipod and a acog. Would make a hell of a fixed position weapon but any dynamic use is tough |
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Quoted: were are the best places to buy fals ? also is it still possible to find any Israeli style fals ? Other than that, if you have no experience with them, the only way I'd recommend buying one sight unseen is by using one of the major independent builders. Gunplumber, Sledgehammer (Randy Kline...I think he's still building, isn't he?), Moses, etc. Personally I wouldn't buy a new DSA now. Maybe an old one though, if it hasn't been monkeyed with. Entreprise is too spotty, quality wise. Any home built frankengun is going to be questionable. Go with a reputable builder, they can build whatever you want. Israeli, or not. But be prepared to pay too, quality costs, no way around it. Since you have zero experience, I'd stay away from Gunbroker, AuctionArms, Armslist, etc. |
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I have never understood the love for the G3. Horrible trigger, crappy charging handle, eats brass, and unwieldy as can be. FAL is where it's at. Im the opposite, I had an FAL and a PTR 91F at the same time. I love my PTR, awesome great shooting gun. The FAL ran fine, just didn't do it for me. I sold the FAL during the big scare. Im sure they will both do what you want, just comes down to preference. |
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LGS if you have one, that way you can go hands on. Other than that, if you have no experience with them, the only way I'd recommend buying one sight unseen is by using one of the major independent builders. Gunplumber, Sledgehammer (Randy Kline...I think he's still building, isn't he?), Moses, etc. Personally I wouldn't buy a new DSA now. Maybe an old one though, if it hasn't been monkeyed with. Entreprise is too spotty, quality wise. Any home built frankengun is going to be questionable. Go with a reputable builder, they can build whatever you want. Israeli, or not. But be prepared to pay too, quality costs, no way around it. Since you have zero experience, I'd stay away from Gunbroker, AuctionArms, Armslist, etc. Quoted:
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were are the best places to buy fals ? also is it still possible to find any Israeli style fals ? Other than that, if you have no experience with them, the only way I'd recommend buying one sight unseen is by using one of the major independent builders. Gunplumber, Sledgehammer (Randy Kline...I think he's still building, isn't he?), Moses, etc. Personally I wouldn't buy a new DSA now. Maybe an old one though, if it hasn't been monkeyed with. Entreprise is too spotty, quality wise. Any home built frankengun is going to be questionable. Go with a reputable builder, they can build whatever you want. Israeli, or not. But be prepared to pay too, quality costs, no way around it. Since you have zero experience, I'd stay away from Gunbroker, AuctionArms, Armslist, etc. Maybe I should start looking at ar10s I only want to spend1k or just a tad more. |
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Jeff While I prefer the FAL, I was going to suggest the AR10 platform. Seems everytime I open a gun magazine there seems to be 2-3 more new manufactures out there making them. Go with one that takes the PMag for availablitiy. CD I forgot to mention that I too would suggest a AR10. The FAL is a great gun and I have wanted a OSW like a fiend since it came out but it is pretty hard to beat the overall performance and usability of the AR platform. If the REPR was under 2500 I would already own one. |
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308 ARs beat the pants off both in every way.
That said, I've owned a bunch of G3 and FAL clones. Between the FAL and the G3, I'm partial to the G3 in a DMR role and the FAL in a battle rifle role. The G3 trigger (with a little work) and accuracy is really quite good considering; and the sights on the G3 are a little better. Neither mounts optics particularly well, but the G3 does it a little better so that plus the accuracy and trigger edge make it a better DMR especially with a heavy buffer. Problem is the optic has to be short due to the cocking handle interference and the cheek weld will require a riser, easy and inexpensive options are out there for that. The last shot BHO on the FAL coupled with its relieved mag well and handy release location (especially with an izzy release) makes mag changes very fast; faster than an AR IME. The sights on the FAL suck. A good pic mount dust cover and RDS or low-magnification optic is really a must IMO. The adjustable gas system is excellent; arguably the best out there especially if you have a can. |
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The G3 is heavier, kicks harder, and runs dirtier than the FAL. It also has no last round bolt hold open. When coupled with the oddly placed charging handle that must first be un-latched, you have a rifle that is more cumbersome to reload than it really needs to be.
On the upside, the G3 is usually more accurate. When built correctly, both are VERY reliable. I've owned three G3 clones and two FAL clones. I no longer own any G3 clones and still own both of my FALs. |
| The biggest gripe about the ptr is the god awful trigger, it will have to sent off to be decent. Fal's triggers are ok and if not you can change out springs to get lighter. I've shot both and prefer the fal, while the ptr may be more accurate in the long run, I'll never know it until I fix the ptr's trigger. |
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Would you say the HK is clumsy and random? http://www.plasmainfusion.com/sw_prod_tesb_hansolole_v2.jpg Quoted:
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I have both a PTR 91 (HK clone) and a DSA FAL. Of the two, I definitely prefer the FAL, even though it was the more expensive. The PTR is a brute of a gun, while the FAL has a certain elegance about it. http://www.plasmainfusion.com/sw_prod_tesb_hansolole_v2.jpg I see what you did there. 
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The biggest gripe about the ptr is the god awful trigger, it will have to sent off to be decent. Fal's triggers are ok and if not you can change out springs to get lighter. I've shot both and prefer the fal, while the ptr may be more accurate in the long run, I'll never know it until I fix the ptr's trigger. I had my trigger worked by Williams I think it was. Made a huge difference in how shootable it was. |
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