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Posted: 3/20/2014 9:06:19 AM EDT
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I currectly don't have a suppressor but plan to get one in the next year or two. That said I want to have my Sig SCM (a 556 that was CT legal with plane barrel) threaded at 14.5" and a flash suppressor tack weilded on. I was thinking I would prepare for a suppressor and have one of the QD flash suppressors from one of the suppressor companies mounted. Which one would everyone use?
Edit: YHM, AAC, Gemtech??? |
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So if I recall correctly, YHM QD's don't "play nice" with a pin and weld, there is a "compression washer" between the barrel and the adapter that could no longer be removed for service, as is expected under the adapter warranty, and would void the adapter warranty. Don't know if AAC is the samey same, or if this bothers you. I'd be real tempted to do a HALO, if I only cared about 5.56. You could do Vortex flash hiders, or FSC-556, or the gemtech flash hider. |
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I'd buy the suppressor first that way you dont accidentally end up with he wrong muzzle device.
Say for instance you decide to get a surefire, mount and pin the SF comp, then later go and decide the Surefire isn't for you, or your dealer can only get you an AAC. Now you're stuck with the wrong $100 comp plus the cost of pinning and you need to get it cut off, buy another one, and pin that one too. If I was looking for a versatile flash hider setup to get pinned I'd go with an A2. That way you could get one of the Griffin Armament cans (M4SDK, M4SDII, or M4SD-B) or a Gemtech (HALO, GM-HALO, or GMT-HALO). There are tons of A2 compatible muzzle devices out there (not all are compatible with both the griffin and gemtech) but that would be the most versatile route. If you get an AAC 51T (Blackout, Breakout, Breakout 2, or Brake) later you can go with either the Silencerco Saker or one of the AAC Cans If you go with the surefire, you can only get a surefire. I really wish Silencerco would start releasing new adapters, as of right now users have a choice of either thread-on, 51T, or trifecta. There are rumors of surefire and gemtech bi-lock mounts coming out, but no real word on that yet. They also need a good A2 compatible mount.* With all that said, buy a can first, and while you're waiting for your stamp THEN prep your gun for the can. *Off topic idea: The ultimate 1-use 5.56 can would be a GM/GMT-HALO type can (non-welded, factory-removeable core) with a Saker-type attachment system. That way, the core/baffle setup could be upgraded over time, and the mounting system could be indefinitely upgraded or back-compatible no matter what mounting system were to come out. You'd really only need 1 can from that point on. |
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I thought I knew a lot about this, but there are suppressors that fit over a standard A2 flash hider? I want to cut and pin a FH on my sig now as the barrel looks stupid straight. I really don't want to have the FH cut off and redone later either.. My sig has the classic swiss lower on it, and I would like a FH that look right for the gun also.
Edit: I think the AAC 51T looks very good and would match my Sig well. |
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I thought I knew a lot about this, but there are suppressors that fit over a standard A2 flash hider? I want to cut and pin a FH on my sig now as the barrel looks stupid straight. I really don't want to have the FH cut off and redone later either.. My sig has the classic swiss lower on it, and I would like a FH that look right for the gun also. Edit: I think the AAC 51T looks very good and would match my Sig well. Griffin makes a couple A2 compatible cans (M4SD series). Gemtech makes a couple (HALO series). AAC used to make the OMNI. SWR made the Renegade for a short time. SRT makes the Typhoon Seriously, I wouldn't get caught up over atheistics until you've put money on the can first. It will save serious headaches if for some reason you can't buy the can you prepped for or you change your mind. I was dead set on an AAC SDN6 when it came out and ended up going with something completely different. If I started pining stuff before buying the can I would have been out a decent amount of cash. Eta: if you like the look of the 3 prongs, there's the AAC breakout, the SilencerCo Trifecta, and the surefire 3 prong. |
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Quoted: I thought I knew a lot about this, but there are suppressors that fit over a standard A2 flash hider? So this isn't an A2, I had to use a VLTOR flash hider because the factory SIG barrel profile precluded the use of the locking collar. You shouldn't have that problem, or if you do, you can just use one of these.  See?   It's why I bought the Gemtech HALO in the first place. I have a few 5.56 rifles, and I didn't want to spend a butt ton of money on muzzle devices. A2's do pretty good at suppressing flash, and are decent compensators. And are also like a dollar...so I can slap it on my wife's AR:  Also had it on a FSC556 pinned and welded to an ACR for a while:  All that being said, do your homework. You'll need peel or index washers, no crush washers behind the muzzle device! But it's an option to consider: Pros of a HALO: Fits over any A2, and a bunch of other muzzle devices Not too expensive Cans are cool. Cons: Heavier than other cans Louder than other cans Longer than other cans Can't get internals wet. (Or feed them after midnight!) |
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Yep. So this isn't an A2, I had to use a VLTOR flash hider because the factory SIG barrel profile precluded the use of the locking collar. You shouldn't have that problem, or if you do, you can just use one of these. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DirN2KnGbB0/TyarnRhQs6I/AAAAAAAAAbY/qUh_KBdaJx0/s1024/2012-01-30_09-37-27_707.jpg See?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X2ZPfia1Ipc/ULVH5vXLM_I/AAAAAAAABTI/IBGXQxgjDp0/s800/2012-11-27_18-05-37_978.jpg It's why I bought the Gemtech HALO in the first place. I have a few 5.56 rifles, and I didn't want to spend a butt ton of money on muzzle devices. A2's do pretty good at suppressing flash, and are decent compensators. And are also like a dollar...so I can slap it on my wife's AR: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KJdiWz1VMHc/UQh7iJy1mjI/AAAAAAAABYQ/oBTVNzwtDbk/s912/20130129_201026.jpg Also had it on a FSC556 pinned and welded to an ACR for a while: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/MMRex/Arfcom/DSC_0324.jpg All that being said, do your homework. You'll need peel or index washers, no crush washers behind the muzzle device! But it's an option to consider: Pros of a HALO: Fits over any A2, and a bunch of other muzzle devices Not too expensive Cans are cool. Cons: Heavier than other cans Louder than other cans Longer than other cans Can't get internals wet. (Or feed them after midnight!) Quoted:
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I thought I knew a lot about this, but there are suppressors that fit over a standard A2 flash hider? So this isn't an A2, I had to use a VLTOR flash hider because the factory SIG barrel profile precluded the use of the locking collar. You shouldn't have that problem, or if you do, you can just use one of these. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DirN2KnGbB0/TyarnRhQs6I/AAAAAAAAAbY/qUh_KBdaJx0/s1024/2012-01-30_09-37-27_707.jpg See?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X2ZPfia1Ipc/ULVH5vXLM_I/AAAAAAAABTI/IBGXQxgjDp0/s800/2012-11-27_18-05-37_978.jpg It's why I bought the Gemtech HALO in the first place. I have a few 5.56 rifles, and I didn't want to spend a butt ton of money on muzzle devices. A2's do pretty good at suppressing flash, and are decent compensators. And are also like a dollar...so I can slap it on my wife's AR: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KJdiWz1VMHc/UQh7iJy1mjI/AAAAAAAABYQ/oBTVNzwtDbk/s912/20130129_201026.jpg Also had it on a FSC556 pinned and welded to an ACR for a while: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/MMRex/Arfcom/DSC_0324.jpg All that being said, do your homework. You'll need peel or index washers, no crush washers behind the muzzle device! But it's an option to consider: Pros of a HALO: Fits over any A2, and a bunch of other muzzle devices Not too expensive Cans are cool. Cons: Heavier than other cans Louder than other cans Longer than other cans Can't get internals wet. (Or feed them after midnight!) Have you seen the new HALOs? Significantly lighter (their titanium version is 14 ounces) with petty good sound suppression (I was comfortable shooting it with ear pro on my 11.5"). No rifle cans should be run wet, so that's a moot point. |
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Have you seen the new HALOs? Significantly lighter (their titanium version is 14 ounces) with petty good sound suppression (I was comfortable shooting it with ear pro on my 11.5"). No rifle cans should be run wet, so that's a moot point. Quoted:
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I thought I knew a lot about this, but there are suppressors that fit over a standard A2 flash hider? So this isn't an A2, I had to use a VLTOR flash hider because the factory SIG barrel profile precluded the use of the locking collar. You shouldn't have that problem, or if you do, you can just use one of these. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DirN2KnGbB0/TyarnRhQs6I/AAAAAAAAAbY/qUh_KBdaJx0/s1024/2012-01-30_09-37-27_707.jpg See?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X2ZPfia1Ipc/ULVH5vXLM_I/AAAAAAAABTI/IBGXQxgjDp0/s800/2012-11-27_18-05-37_978.jpg It's why I bought the Gemtech HALO in the first place. I have a few 5.56 rifles, and I didn't want to spend a butt ton of money on muzzle devices. A2's do pretty good at suppressing flash, and are decent compensators. And are also like a dollar...so I can slap it on my wife's AR: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KJdiWz1VMHc/UQh7iJy1mjI/AAAAAAAABYQ/oBTVNzwtDbk/s912/20130129_201026.jpg Also had it on a FSC556 pinned and welded to an ACR for a while: http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/MMRex/Arfcom/DSC_0324.jpg All that being said, do your homework. You'll need peel or index washers, no crush washers behind the muzzle device! But it's an option to consider: Pros of a HALO: Fits over any A2, and a bunch of other muzzle devices Not too expensive Cans are cool. Cons: Heavier than other cans Louder than other cans Longer than other cans Can't get internals wet. (Or feed them after midnight!) Have you seen the new HALOs? Significantly lighter (their titanium version is 14 ounces) with petty good sound suppression (I was comfortable shooting it with ear pro on my 11.5"). No rifle cans should be run wet, so that's a moot point. Actually, it is 12.2 ounces which is LIGHT! It will be my next purchase if I decide to get another suppressor. Link |
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Quoted: Have you seen the new HALOs? Significantly lighter (their titanium version is 14 ounces) with petty good sound suppression (I was comfortable shooting it with ear pro on my 11.5"). No rifle cans should be run wet, so that's a moot point. I'd consider it if I thought I could get it in my gun safe before Hillary took office.
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| Cost is not a major issue. I am just worried about setting the gun up right the "first" time. I would want the best suppressor in the sub $2K price range. One I can use with AR's Daewoo's, Bushmaster M17's and maybe .223 AK's. My MSAR has a mini Battlecomp perm attached and I don't know of a suppressor that works with that. |
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Fuck ya.... It is the 2.0... Guess I got my suppressor picked out.. Wow I had thought I screwed myself from ever suppressing my MSAR. See? That's why I've been trying to steer you away from pinning anything prior to picking a can. I'd find out the release date on the GMT-HALO. Or you can see if the BC 2.0 fits the griffin cans. The owner Green0 is on the forums and is pretty easy to get ahold of. A2 Compatible Flash hiders: Battle Comp 2.0 BCM Mod 0 BCM Mod 1 DD Flash Suppressor Assembly DD Muzzle Climb Mitigator M4SD Silencer Mounts PWC FSC556 Vltor VC-1 It's not a complete list, and I'm not sure all are compatible with both the HALO and M4SD series, but it shows the versatility of having an A2 compatible can. |
| I guess I need to turn this into a HELP me pick a suppressor thread. I need to get the FH picked out for my Sig this week. Now I want something that also works with my battlecomp.. I would like something a little more exotic than an A2 FH tho...Is a QD as quiet as a thread on? Also, I'm not against getting 2 suppressors and would have already but I want to wait until I get into a new house and address for the paperwork. |
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I guess I need to turn this into a HELP me pick a suppressor thread. I need to get the FH picked out for my Sig this week. Now I want something that also works with my battlecomp.. I would like something a little more exotic than an A2 FH tho...Is a QD as quiet as a thread on? Also, I'm not against getting 2 suppressors and would have already but I want to wait until I get into a new house and address for the paperwork. I think in theory, using a brake would be slightly quieter as it should provide more slowing of the gasses as it enters the can. The differences are probably theoretical or negligible at best. I gave you a list of "A2 compatible" flash hiders right above this, and gave you a list of cans that are "A2 compatible" earlier in the thread. The BC 2.0 is an "A2 compatible" flash hider. So I've already given you all the available options. |
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I don't think anyone has mentioned this but the OP has some problematic through processes.
1. You can't just "tack weld" a mount to a 14.5" barrel and have it be legal. Must be pinned and welded, or silver-soldered, or brazed on. 2. If you have registered your gun as an assault rifle, why bother welding at all? Just thread it at 16.1" and you can use removable mounts. 3. In terms of what suppressor to buy, this thread is premature if you aren't ready to buy now. In 6mos there may be better options than anything mentioned here. |
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Cost is not a major issue. I am just worried about setting the gun up right the "first" time. I would want the best suppressor in the sub $2K price range. One I can use with AR's Daewoo's, Bushmaster M17's and maybe .223 AK's. My MSAR has a mini Battlecomp perm attached and I don't know of a suppressor that works with that. If you plan on suppressing a Daewoo AND it was a preban unit [ K1, 2, or Max II ] get the threads shortened to AR length [ .500] IIRC. I run a halo on 6 different rifles, AAC on 5 and TBC on another 1/2 dozen. Some thread on some go over a f/hider. For CT, as others have suggested wait till you have the can in process. |
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