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Posted: 12/13/2013 8:06:08 PM EDT
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Hey everyone, I'm just about ready to buy a scope for my Remington 700 SPS Tactical in .308. My price range is all the way up to $1600. And the yards I would like to get is something that can let me shoot close range like 100 yards but all the way out to 1000 as well. I've been doing a lot of research and they're so many different kinds of sciences and features on such a wide variety of scopes out there I'm hoping maybe some of you out there can help me out. What I'm looking at so far is these two
Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 8.5-25x50 Riflescope M5 1/10 Mil Illum TMR or Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30x50mm I was really interested in that Leupold and I know Leupold is a great company but the Bushnell seems almost as nice but like 600 dollars cheaper. I have heard the Bushnell gets fuzzy after x24 but accuracy isn't diminished at all. So really I'm leaning towards getting the Bushnell, but I would like to see what you all think if I should either dish out for the Leupold or if you have better recommendations scope wise? Thanks in advance! |
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My OPINION is that you are considering over-scoping yourself, unless you are trying to shoot bug-holes in 200-yard benchrest competition or something.
(For most practical purposes, the top-end magnifications of both those scopes are way to high.) You'll end up paying for that in some combination of cash, top-end resolution, bulk and weight, as well as eye-relief issues. Mirage and other environmental factors will usually keep you well below about 16x for softball-sized targets at 1000 yards anyway, at least in my experience. A 10x or 16x fixed Super Sniper would serve you about as well, for one-fifth your budget. (unless you need an illuminated reticle, in which case think Trijicon toward the upper limit of your budget. Forget batteries forever; they are a PITA. |
| Kinda like the Trijicon TR23-1 AccuPnt 5-20x50 StdX Amb Dot 30mm scope? I didn't do a whole lot of searching and this one seems pretty sick in itself. Also you're right for practical use it's not really needed but technically I like having the ability to magnify out further especially since there is chance of a 1000 yard range opening up hopefully soon where I live. |
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Hmmmm.
For some reason I thought that Trijicon had an Accupoint model between the 2.5-10x56 and the 5-25x50. But of those two I would get the 2.5-10x56 to mount on a rifle like yours. 2.5x at the low end is vastly superior to 5x for close range serious work, and that I don't think that anything over around 16x is going to be prove as useful at 1000 yards as you seem to believe. I think you'll be surprised how detrimental to good accuracy very high magnification can be in humid (Florida?) climates when heat mirage is certain to be a factor, which it often is at LONG range regardless of local climate. As I alluded to in my previous post, the real value of very high magnifications is to shoot tiny targets at medium ranges, not so much for zombie-sized targets at a half-mile, even if your rifle's twist rate and barrel length will sling those long, heavy 190 gr or so MatchKings well enough to be competitive (or even safe for that matter.) Much lighter bullets probably a'int gonna cut it in even the lightest breeze at a thousand yards. Attend a Palma match sometime to find out how well a good shot can group his rounds at a thousand with NO magnification whatsoever. But I don't know what your priorities are regarding the target size/ distance, and even if you seldom use the high end you'll have it available and can turn it down when you have to, at least somewhat. So it comes down to personal preference. But yeah, I'm a huge Trijicon fan, although the only one I own is a 3-9x40. But it's a great optic in every respect. |
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...heavy 190 gr or so MatchKings well enough to be competitive (or even safe for that matter.) Much lighter bullets probably a'int gonna cut it in even the lightest breeze at a thousand yards.... Quoted:
...heavy 190 gr or so MatchKings well enough to be competitive (or even safe for that matter.) Much lighter bullets probably a'int gonna cut it in even the lightest breeze at a thousand yards.... Yah, I know a LOT about bullet weights and twist rates ever since I got into reloading lol I read for the Remington 700's if shooting 168 gr you can make it out to 600 yards easily. So I decided to go with 175 gr since people have said they have had a lot more success with that gr bullet out to 1000 yards. Quoted:
I disagree. for 1k I personally would want 32+ I have a Leupold 8-25 on my long range bolt gun that I shoot out to 600meters and I really want more. I am torn between a 8-32 or 12-42 NF. And yes I agree if I have the money to spend on a higher end scope I would definitely like the ability to reach out 1000 yards even if I live in Florida and I have heat waves. Just gives me more practice. |
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I have one of these with the NP-R2 reticle on a M70HBV. I'm extremely happy with the package. I bought the package from Jorge Avila during their "Moving to Texas" sale. I got a very good deal on a fine rifle with amazing glass.
It really depends on what you want to do with your rifle. Bust clay targets at 100 yards? Hunt? if either of those, that's WAY too much scope. If you want to knock the legs off a gnat at 600 yards, you'll be happy with the NF Benchrest. Let us know what you get. Pics ARE NOT optional. 
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I have one of these with the NP-R2 reticle on a M70HBV. I'm extremely happy with the package. I bought the package from Jorge Avila during their "Moving to Texas" sale. I got a very good deal on a fine rifle with amazing glass. It really depends on what you want to do with your rifle. Bust clay targets at 100 yards? Hunt? if either of those, that's WAY too much scope. If you want to knock the legs off a gnat at 600 yards, you'll be happy with the NF Benchrest. Let us know what you get. Pics ARE NOT optional. Nightforce are pretty sick but all the ones I like are 2 grand and up lol 
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| I agree with the above posters. I doubt a stock 700 SPS is going to be printing the kinds of tiny groups at 600+ that would make the $1k+ benchrest scopes a worthwhile investment. If you are using the gun for hunting and torso-sized targets you probably don't need more than 10x max, maybe 15-20x for range plinking and whatnot. Getting into the 30x+ range simply darkens your image and makes eye relief and eyebox a real issue. Look at something like the midrange ($400-600) scopes from Vortex Optics. |
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I agree with the above posters. I doubt a stock 700 SPS is going to be printing the kinds of tiny groups at 600+ that would make the $1k+ benchrest scopes a worthwhile investment. If you are using the gun for hunting and torso-sized targets you probably don't need more than 10x max, maybe 15-20x for range plinking and whatnot. Getting into the 30x+ range simply darkens your image and makes eye relief and eyebox a real issue. Look at something like the midrange ($400-600) scopes from Vortex Optics. I've already read up on the SPS tactical's accuracy out to 1000 yards it shoots fine as long as your'e shooting above 168 gr bullets from what I read. Plus there are so many videos of people doing this. And eye relief I like a challenge if I wanted it to be easy I'd just let someone fire my gun for me lol |
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Check this guy out. http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=623 That is an excellent site...or at least it LOOKED like one lol almost everything he posted is discontinued. Except even the best one I liked was nearly 4000 which is in stock haha http://marchscopes.com/tactical-5-40-x-56-ffp.html I think I am definitely going to go in the under 1000 dollar range though...I'm leaning more and more towards the Bushnell Elite 6500 unless someone here has a better idea of a long range scope. |
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i have the TR23-2. i think i got mine in the $1200 range, including larue mount (from laruetactical.com). i previously had a bushnell 3200 (not the 6500 youre talking about), it was usable but i had to adjust it frequently.
this scope is awesome. i hunted with it before dawn and after dusk, the the fiber-optic with the tritium vial are amazing! the glass is so clear and the image so crisp, i wish i would have got this the first time around. these pics will not do it justice. 
the last time i had this rifle out, i took a run of 30 shots (22 hits on steel) at 370 yards, and i ran it at just 5x. |
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i have the TR23-2. i think i got mine in the $1200 range, including larue mount (from laruetactical.com). i previously had a bushnell 3200 (not the 6500 youre talking about), it was usable but i had to adjust it frequently. this scope is awesome. i hunted with it before dawn and after dusk, the the fiber-optic with the tritium vial are amazing! the glass is so clear and the image so crisp, i wish i would have got this the first time around. these pics will not do it justice. the last time i had this rifle out, i took a run of 30 shots (22 hits on steel) at 370 yards, and i ran it at just 5x. That sounds like an amazing scope then. I know with that Bushnell 6500 people have gotten it out to 1000 yards but at the x24 and beyond it gets kinda fuzzy. Have you had any experience with longer distances with this scope? |
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go with a used SWFA SSHD 5-20 or a Bushnell 3.5-21 g2 DMR. I do like that SWFA. lol I did find a Nightforce pretty much the same price as the Leupold I was looking at now lol Yikes I'm never gonna order one because I'm finding so many nice ones lol
http://www.opticsplanet.com/nightforce-55-22x-nxs-riflescope.html But it is still probably to much I want to spend honestly I might just settle for a Trijicon. I like not having to put batteries in it. |
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didn't read lol SB PMII 5-25x50mm ETA: seriously though, 25x is NOT a lot of top end mag for long range. Are you a police marksman taking 75yd shots or shooting targets at 1k? Haha I'm not a police officer. Used to be in the military got out July last year but that's besides the point. I do want to shoot out to 1000 yards and a lot of people have posted videos of firing out to 1000 with scopes of like 20 - 30. I also would like it in a lower type as much as I can without being limited by how far out it can go. Plus I can't afford the ones that are in the 40x and higher lol |
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I have one of these with the NP-R2 reticle on a M70HBV. I'm extremely happy with the package. I bought the package from Jorge Avila during their "Moving to Texas" sale. I got a very good deal on a fine rifle with amazing glass. It really depends on what you want to do with your rifle. Bust clay targets at 100 yards? Hunt? if either of those, that's WAY too much scope. If you want to knock the legs off a gnat at 600 yards, you'll be happy with the NF Benchrest. Let us know what you get. Pics ARE NOT optional. Nightforce are pretty sick but all the ones I like are 2 grand and up lol Ok I have to re-quote all this because looking up more about Nightforce I have found an excellent review about the NightForce NXS 3.5-15x50mm by 8541 Tactical on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7vEy_8LDQ I feel sold and think I'm gonna dish out an extra 300 just for it lol |
| If you are using the gun for hunting and torso-sized targets you probably don't need more than 10x max, maybe 15-20x for range plinking and whatnot. Getting into the 30x+ range simply darkens your image and makes eye relief and eyebox a real issue.http://goo.gl/x3Z6FI |
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i have the TR23-2. i think i got mine in the $1200 range, including larue mount (from laruetactical.com). i previously had a bushnell 3200 (not the 6500 youre talking about), it was usable but i had to adjust it frequently. this scope is awesome. i hunted with it before dawn and after dusk, the the fiber-optic with the tritium vial are amazing! the glass is so clear and the image so crisp, i wish i would have got this the first time around. these pics will not do it justice. the last time i had this rifle out, i took a run of 30 shots (22 hits on steel) at 370 yards, and i ran it at just 5x. That sounds like an amazing scope then. I know with that Bushnell 6500 people have gotten it out to 1000 yards but at the x24 and beyond it gets kinda fuzzy. Have you had any experience with longer distances with this scope? 370yards is the longest shots ive taken. when i run the magnification out to 20x, its tricky to get the check weld exactly perfect to eliminate the shadowing, but when you do, its picture perfect. i run it at 5x most of the time because target acquisition is fast and forgiving.i want to say that 5-15x or so is still forgiving on the shadowing, but in the 15-20x range you have to have your cheek weld exactly right. but i get such good clarity at 5x i rarely dial it up. |
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Vortex Viper PST FFP 4-16x50 EBR-1 MRAD Around $900, I plan to pick one up in a few months.  Ever since posting this topic area I have been looking into scopes more and more and doing a lot of research and watched Tiborasaurusrex's videos on youtube so I have learned a LOT on BC, Windage, turrets, elevation and bullet drop .etc and still watching his videos! The info I have gathered so far from his videos since I have been taking notes from his videos is really helpful and instead of just buying the Trijicon or the Nightforce like I wanted to. I'm actually glad I didn't now just because I know what options are out there now and those two being more expensive aren't much better then the cheaper ones out there. The one I found that has everything I want out of a scope is the Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP. Can someone if anyone, I noticed you Fury mentioned the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP, both of these seem phenomenal! |
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Leupold is you best choice. Well the problem I don't like about Leupold is option wise...I don't want one in MOA I want one in MRAD. So that narrows it down. Also how many of Leupold's scopes are in FFP? I don't want one in SFP. I am doing long range shooting with distance from 100 yards all the way out to 1500 so I really like the variable scopes that have around 3 - 14 or 16 even though 16 is a bit much I also don't care if it goes to 16 or higher but I might want spot myself to make better adjustments with windage. So Leupold isn't what I need. |
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How is the matching between turrets to reticle? Also it seems like with SWFA I would have to spend twice as much more to get close to what I wanted with the Vortex. |
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