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Posted: 1/1/2011 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Side-by-side comparison of daytime pic b/w ACOG(yellow chevron) and EOTech. 
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There is a lot to like about Eotechs. The only reason I switched to an aimpoint for my go to gun is battery life. My ML2 (my first aimpoint) is at around 11 months of literally never being turned off. I imagine it will last a while longer.
If eotech could get that kind of battery life, I'd switch back. |
I'm all about Trijicon and EOTech since both are headquartered in my home State of Michigan.  My EOTech XPS 2-0 is my first choice in Home Defense, but I have to admit if I was more SHTF oriented or Active Duty Mil I'd probably go with the Trijicon. Trijicon RMR's are pretty nice as well. |
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Some things I find interesting.
Aimpoint has never found a need to make a circle around a dot. Aimpoint reps will drop, throw, bash, remove than throw and reattach, their optics and they will continue to work and shoot to zero. Aimpoints kept chugging along with few issues relative to the huge amount of abuse they got being dropped, knocked over, bounced around the insides (and outsides) of tanks, Bradleys, humvees, ASVs, MRAPs, bashed into rocks, walls, floors, etc, plus the "I don't care, it's not mine" abuse by so many Privates in the Army. And um... you can turn the brightness up on the Aimpoint quickly and easily.Say when going from a dark building to a well lit street. Spinning a knob is easier than pushing buttons, especially with gloves on. Well we all have our own opinions... and if you come into the store I work at, I'll happily take your money for whatever. |
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I like my EOTech but all 3 are very good options. I don't get too concerned with battery life. I just replace my lithium AA batteries every 3 months whether they need to be changed or not. I've never had a problem doing it this way and I've never found my batteries dead (from -20 degrees to 120+ degrees). I use up the old (still good) batteries in other AA devices so I'm not too concerned with it. With that being said, I see the advantage of aimpoint's battery life.
Again, I think all 3 are very good options and they all have their pro's and con's. Most of the pro's and con's come down to personal preference. |
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EO with a battery life of about 1000 hours, off one set of AA's?
Nothing wrong with that - the batteries are cheap and I can find them anywhere ACOG - without question ..awesome optic. Get one. I have the TAO1 NSN ...beautiful glass EO - reticle is more friendly to me. For (CQB type) drills in 3 gun type comp. I put the entire "big" circle on the target..(both eyes open) and squeeze trigger. Hits everytime Small dot for distance...."Aim small / miss small" EO screen is non reflective, shatter resistant glass ...protected by an aluminum hood Another thing that drew me to the EO was that once you buy it - mount it to the gun... you do not need to lay out another $100 for a mount... Break the glass in the EO - no prob..she keeps going Break the glass on the Aimpoint - Game Over |
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Me personally, I like the Aimpoints. I had one on my shoty, but sold it cause it wasn't much greater an improvement over the factory ghost rings. I have a MicroDot (Primary Arms Aimpoint Micro) on my M&P 15-22 and I love it. I never liked the looks of the EO-Techs, and I hate how wide they are, they just look out of place.
I have yet to try an ACOG, as funds are not there and I dont have a use for one. I do like their new 1.5x "mini" versions. I like to keep weight and size to a minimum. |
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EO with a battery life of about 1000 hours, off one set of AA's? Nothing wrong with that - the batteries are cheap and I can find them anywhere ACOG - without question ..awesome optic. Get one. I have the TAO1 NSN ...beautiful glass EO - reticle is more friendly to me. For (CQB type) drills in 3 gun type comp. I put the entire "big" circle on the target..(both eyes open) and squeeze trigger. Hits everytime Small dot for distance...."Aim small / miss small" EO screen is non reflective, shatter resistant glass ...protected by an aluminum hood Another thing that drew me to the EO was that once you buy it - mount it to the gun... you do not need to lay out another $100 for a mount... Break the glass in the EO - no prob..she keeps going Break the glass on the Aimpoint - Game Over It doesn't look anywhere near point of impact though... 
Only thing I noticed in the pics, is the Aimpoint looks dim in daylight... Mine is definitely brighter on full brightness and easier to pick up than in these pics. Don't have an Eotech or Acog so I can't comment on the other 2. |
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Quoted: As long as you can see the reticle through part of the window, it will shoot POA.It doesn't look anywhere near point of impact though... It's a "zero parallax" holographic site, so no matter where the reticle is in the window (because of your cheek weld/position) it won't shift POI. |
| Aimpoint is a dot in a tube and doesn't do anything better than a $200 quality red dot beyond longer battery life. EOTech is faster, but uses more battery than some red dots. Trijicon can't be used with NVG's, and the Tritium steadily decays. After ~12 years, the illumination will be greatly diminished and if Trijicon is willing to refurb, it may be cost-prohibitive to do so. |
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There is a lot to like about Eotechs. The only reason I switched to an aimpoint for my go to gun is battery life. My ML2 (my first aimpoint) is at around 11 months of literally never being turned off. I imagine it will last a while longer. If eotech could get that kind of battery life, I'd switch back. Battery life doesn't bother me, leaky batteries do... |
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Aimpoint is a dot in a tube and doesn't do anything better than a $200 quality red dot beyond longer battery life. EOTech is faster, but uses more battery than some red dots. Trijicon can't be used with NVG's, and the Tritium steadily decays. After ~12 years, the illumination will be greatly diminished and if Trijicon is willing to refurb, it may be cost-prohibitive to do so. check out Lucid HD7(~$200) and much brighter than Aimpoint. 1 AAA and estimated battery life > 1,000 hours. Auto power down after 2 hours. http://www.mylucidgear.com/ 
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As long as you can see the reticle through part of the window, it will shoot POA.
It doesn't look anywhere near point of impact though...
It's a "zero parallax" holographic site, so no matter where the reticle is in the window (because of your cheek weld/position) it won't shift POI. I know that is how it's supposed to be for an undamaged one... Look at the pic. I'd have to move my eye quite a bit off center for the dot to appear that far off to the side. For any of my red dots, admittedly I don't have Eotech, but they function on the same principle. Anyhoo, looking at the gun in the pic, it looks like the camera is directly behind it. |
| I have used all 3 and own 2, an EOTECH and AIMPOINT. Obviously if I am shooting for distance I'll take an ACOG. However, the EOTECH and Aimpoint are best suited for indoor to 100meter range. Out of those 2 I am going with the AIMPOINT. It is just so much more robust and durable than an EOTECH. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As long as you can see the reticle through part of the window, it will shoot POA.It doesn't look anywhere near point of impact though... It's a "zero parallax" holographic site, so no matter where the reticle is in the window (because of your cheek weld/position) it won't shift POI. I know that is how it's supposed to be for an undamaged one... Look at the pic. I'd have to move my eye quite a bit off center for the dot to appear that far off to the side. For any of my red dots, admittedly I don't have Eotech, but they function on the same principle. Anyhoo, looking at the gun in the pic, it looks like the camera is directly behind it. It's angled to the left a bit, looking at the light coming through between the site body and the shroud. optical illusion i guess. The reticle won't change POI unless the projector or the window is actually shifted, which it may be a tiny bit in that picure since the crack goes all the way top to bottom. Put a round through any other style site and see if you even have a reticle. At least most of us have back up sites |
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I have used all 3 and own 2, an EOTECH and AIMPOINT. Obviously if I am shooting for distance I'll take an ACOG. However, the EOTECH and Aimpoint are best suited for indoor to 100meter range. Out of those 2 I am going with the AIMPOINT. It is just so much more robust and durable than an EOTECH. I've seen the Aimpoint perform just fine out to 400m. With a high hold and a better shooter than myself of course, but I've also shot out that far with them myself with mixed results. The military issues Aimpoints to basic trainees who are trained out to 300m regardless of MOS. I don't believe 100m is exactly the "limit" of the Aimpoint's effectiveness, though it may be more "suited" for 100m and in, it will perform much further out. That said, I chose an ACOG for my use overseas because much further distances are the norm, and an EOtech for my home gun that's set up for CQB because I like the versatility of the large ring for point and shoot quickness. |
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Quoted: Eotech would be a home run for me if they just had better battery life  Really a non-issue... just how many 600-1200 hour gunfights do you expect to get into, anyway? If you're that worried about it, buy a Magpul MIAD and keep a spare set of batteries in the grip.
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Eotech would be a home run for me if they just had better battery life Really a non-issue... just how many 600-1200 hour gunfights do you expect to get into, anyway? If you're that worried about it, buy a Magpul MIAD and keep a spare set of batteries in the grip. or turn it off, after use. 1,000+ hours of battery life=10hours/day of usage for 100 days=more than 3 months of service |
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When my old unit was first issued the M68 we did a fam fire "train the trainer" shoot at camp Ripley.
I was able to get consistent hits on the 300m silhouette from the kneeling and standing position. The 6moa dot covered the target at that distance, but it was really quite easy. That being said, I want an optic with an etched reticle so when the batteries can't be found I'll still have a usable sight. |
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When my old unit was first issued the M68 we did a fam fire "train the trainer" shoot at camp Ripley. I was able to get consistent hits on the 300m silhouette from the kneeling and standing position. The 6moa dot covered the target at that distance, but it was really quite easy. That being said, I want an optic with an etched reticle so when the batteries can't be found I'll still have a usable sight. And with that being said I'll take my 1.5x and 3.5x ACOG's over the Aimpoint I had because I hate batteries. The only battery device I even have on my guns are SureFire LED lights. I also don't like all of the posts I have seen about EoTech's failing. There's just too many for my tastes. I also don't want to fumble around turning it on when I need it RIGHT NOW. |
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about.
The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! |
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Quoted: I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Not impossible, you just don't want to pay for it  |
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touche. But then again, couldn't they just go ahead and make it, but then charge like 900 for it? I'm just thinking that eventually they'd be become more efficient at it so it could be a normal price. Like plasma tv's used expensive as all get out, but now you can get them for nothing at walmart.
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Correct me if I'm wrong, but they do have "variable dot" red dot sights. They are the tube style though, not an Aimpoint style. See the link below for what I'm talking about. I do agree a variable dot would be nice. LINKY |
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It would be neat to see an aimpoint with a similar reticle to the eotech. I love the PA multi reticle M3 clone. Aimpoint's reticle is powered by LED(which is why the battery life is so phenomenal and also, why it's not as bright/sharp/visible/fine as EOTech) while EOTech's reticle is powered by laser diode(more power/finer/sharper). I believe if Aimpoint's reticle (2-3MOA fineness) became like that of EOTech(1MOA fineness), it would cover too much of the target at longer range. |
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Eotech would be a home run for me if they just had better battery life Crappy user controls for me. I could live with low battery life in the controls were better. How about a simple friggin' knob instead of tiny squishy buttons!? Try using one. It's pretty simple to just press "UP" arrow to turn it on and press "UP" couple of times to get desired level of brightness. To turn it off, just press "UP" and "DOWN" arrow simultaneously. |
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Not impossible, you just don't want to pay for it
1. You can change reticle with something like Lucid HD7...competitor to EOTech utilizing HWS tech(holo/head-up display tech wtih reticle lighted by laser diode). 2. battery life is >1000hours+ or 100 days of 10hour/day 3. with HWS tech, it's possible to go from 1MOA to 2-3MOA reticle like LED lighted Aimpoint(in theory), but I suspect most people wouldn't be interested in making the reticle be LESS FINE. Finer, brighter, more visible 1MOA reticle is more desirable than less bright/less visible/less sharp 2-3MOA reticle(at least for most shooters). Try either Lucid HD7 or milspec EOTech. The reticle is extremely FAST(faster than LED type Aimpoint) and can work for longer range shot as well. |
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Many of the multi-reticle sights have a dial drum to select the reticle. All this does is select the orifice for the LED light to shine through, and you're relying on a tiny little ball detent in the drum to hold zero, and forget about consistent zero between the different reticles. I'm not sure about the Lucid or some PA optics, but most with selectable reticles work this way, which is crap. Some of the higher end optics with selectible reticles are digital, which has no moving parts for reticle selection. If you have a multi-reticle sight with a selector drum/lever/switch, look through it while turning the dial. The reticles will file left-right or up-down. Then you'll see why it's crap... |
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Not impossible, you just don't want to pay for it
1. You can change reticle with something like Lucid HD7...competitor to EOTech utilizing HWS tech(holo/head-up display tech wtih reticle lighted by laser diode). 2. battery life is >1000hours+ or 100 days of 10hour/day 3. with HWS tech, it's possible to go from 1MOA to 2-3MOA reticle like LED lighted Aimpoint(in theory), but I suspect most people wouldn't be interested in making the reticle be LESS FINE. Finer, brighter, more visible 1MOA reticle is more desirable than less bright/less visible/less sharp 2-3MOA reticle(at least for most shooters). Try either Lucid HD7 or milspec EOTech. The reticle is extremely FAST(faster than LED type Aimpoint) and can work for longer range shot as well. do you work for them or somthing? because this is your second sales pitch for that thing in this thread. looking at the components of the sight, it seems to be made in one of the same chinese factories used by Primary Arms, Sig, Walther, and others. even the picture of the "quality inspector" on the about us page is of a chicom. Then there is the fact that it is using the same generic reticles as all the other multi's on the market. because of all this, i can assure you it dosn't use a Holographic system with a laser diode like you claim. it just uses an LED like every other chinese made scope. Half of the stuff you are saying isn't even stated on their website. EOTech, Aimpoint, and Trijicon are all COMBAT PROVEN optics. this is why we are discussing the merits and flaws of each for senarios where you are depending on them for survival. that is an area a chicom red-dot should never venture. |
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yeah, i'm not, and i'm sure most are not either, interested in lucid, primary arms, or any other knock off. Not that they are bad optics, just not for me. I prefer quality, proven optics.
I just want an aimpoint that does 2 and 4 moa without requiring me to just turn the brightness of the the 2 moa all the way up |
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yeah, i'm not, and i'm sure most are not either, interested in lucid, primary arms, or any other knock off. Not that they are bad optics, just not for me. I prefer quality, proven optics. exactly. I have a primary arms red-dot on my hunting/range gun and love it. would I put it on a self defense rifle? no. even the owner of the company recommends against using them for that, which is why he also sells aimpoints and eotechs. as for the whole battery thing between the eotech and aimpoint, I perfer the aimpoint for the reason that with an M3, I can have the sight turned on and ready and it will stay that way for 5 years. no fumbling for an on button when somthing goes bump in the night. |
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Personally, I like the EOTech for several reasons. One, my eyes are cross dominant and the Aimpoint dot turns into a slanted dash for me. The EOTech, although the reticle looks like it needs a shave when using my right eye, still gets me a POA instead of a LOA (line of aim).
I also like that the EOTech takes AA batteries. I'd rather have less battery life with easy to get batteries than stock up on the other kind. One thing I wish they did was make a memory setting for zero. Not only good for various distances, but also for those that have caliber change weapons. When I inquired with EOTech about it prior to purchasing a 517, they told me "not at this time" because doing so would require a redesign of the body (to allow extra buttons) as well as internals. Which means they've thought about it, and either have something in the works or decided it's not cost effective. |
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Not impossible, you just don't want to pay for it
1. You can change reticle with something like Lucid HD7...competitor to EOTech utilizing HWS tech(holo/head-up display tech wtih reticle lighted by laser diode). 2. battery life is >1000hours+ or 100 days of 10hour/day 3. with HWS tech, it's possible to go from 1MOA to 2-3MOA reticle like LED lighted Aimpoint(in theory), but I suspect most people wouldn't be interested in making the reticle be LESS FINE. Finer, brighter, more visible 1MOA reticle is more desirable than less bright/less visible/less sharp 2-3MOA reticle(at least for most shooters). Try either Lucid HD7 or milspec EOTech. The reticle is extremely FAST(faster than LED type Aimpoint) and can work for longer range shot as well. do you work for them or somthing? because this is your second sales pitch for that thing in this thread. looking at the components of the sight, it seems to be made in one of the same chinese factories used by Primary Arms, Sig, Walther, and others. even the picture of the "quality inspector" on the about us page is of a chicom. Then there is the fact that it is using the same generic reticles as all the other multi's on the market. because of all this, i can assure you it dosn't use a Holographic system with a laser diode like you claim. it just uses an LED like every other chinese made scope. Half of the stuff you are saying isn't even stated on their website. EOTech, Aimpoint, and Trijicon are all COMBAT PROVEN optics. this is why we are discussing the merits and flaws of each for senarios where you are depending on them for survival. that is an area a chicom red-dot should never venture. Thanks for the info about Lucid HD7. I thought it was HWS system like EOTech. I've used milspec EOTech, Aimpoint, and ACOG, as well as HoloSight, but not Lucid HD7. Cheap optic: I've used both cheap HoloSIght and EOTech. I couldn't tell the difference in the reticle b/w the two. When I called EOTech, they told me that they make HoloSight too and that the primary difference was battery and lack of side armour. PS no, I don't work for Lucid. Lucid got recommended to me from an industry insider who worked in an unrelated field(not optics). |
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yeah, i'm not, and i'm sure most are not either, interested in lucid, primary arms, or any other knock off. Not that they are bad optics, just not for me. I prefer quality, proven optics. exactly. I have a primary arms red-dot on my hunting/range gun and love it. would I put it on a self defense rifle? no. even the owner of the company recommends against using them for that, which is why he also sells aimpoints and eotechs. as for the whole battery thing between the eotech and aimpoint, I perfer the aimpoint for the reason that with an M3, I can have the sight turned on and ready and it will stay that way for 5 years. no fumbling for an on button when somthing goes bump in the night. Normally, as technology matures, it becomes cheaper and more ubiquitous and more affordable, as well as more reliable. As for China, they make cheap and expensive stuff, low quality and high quality stuff. At one time, "Made in Japan" meant cheap/low quality unlike today. BTW, it takes only a moment to turn on EOTech. Not much different from turning on a flashlight. |
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I really want to like the eotech, it's just the battery life turning me away. I know I can keep extra batteries with me and turn it off when i'm not using it, but I would rather just have one less thing to worry about. The op showed the aimpoint and eotech right next to each other, but it would be really cool if he could show a normal aimpoint next to a micro. Haven't had a chance to get my hands on one yet and curious how much smaller the lens is. I'm sure the eotech dwarfs it and would probably help his argument anyway. Something else to ponder, why can't they make sights where you can change the reticle? I'm not an engineer, but we live in the age of 3D TV's, cloud computing, and touchscreen computers and I can't change my aimpoint from 2 moa to 4 moa? I mean seriously, I can send an e-mail from a laptop in my living room, to space, and then back to my cell phone in under 5 seconds but I can't change the size of a little dot in my optics without buying a new one. Ha, I can sit in a chair and within a matter of hours I have flown through the air to the other side of the world, but still, changing the size of a little red dot is impossible. Blasphemy! This entire industry sits on a throne of lies! Not impossible, you just don't want to pay for it
1. You can change reticle with something like Lucid HD7...competitor to EOTech utilizing HWS tech(holo/head-up display tech wtih reticle lighted by laser diode). 2. battery life is >1000hours+ or 100 days of 10hour/day 3. with HWS tech, it's possible to go from 1MOA to 2-3MOA reticle like LED lighted Aimpoint(in theory), but I suspect most people wouldn't be interested in making the reticle be LESS FINE. Finer, brighter, more visible 1MOA reticle is more desirable than less bright/less visible/less sharp 2-3MOA reticle(at least for most shooters). Try either Lucid HD7 or milspec EOTech. The reticle is extremely FAST(faster than LED type Aimpoint) and can work for longer range shot as well. do you work for them or somthing? because this is your second sales pitch for that thing in this thread. looking at the components of the sight, it seems to be made in one of the same chinese factories used by Primary Arms, Sig, Walther, and others. even the picture of the "quality inspector" on the about us page is of a chicom. Then there is the fact that it is using the same generic reticles as all the other multi's on the market. because of all this, i can assure you it dosn't use a Holographic system with a laser diode like you claim. it just uses an LED like every other chinese made scope. Half of the stuff you are saying isn't even stated on their website. EOTech, Aimpoint, and Trijicon are all COMBAT PROVEN optics. this is why we are discussing the merits and flaws of each for senarios where you are depending on them for survival. that is an area a chicom red-dot should never venture. I just got back a reply from Lucid. The system uses 2MOA LED reticle projected on holographic display so it's a mixture of Aimpoint/EOTech technology. It's engineered/designed in US and manufactured in Asia. I would be curious in trying it out, and comparing it to HoloSight/EOTech. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Eotech would be a home run for me if they just had better battery life Crappy user controls for me. I could live with low battery life in the controls were better. How about a simple friggin' knob instead of tiny squishy buttons!? You're right...the batteries DO feel squishy. I do wonder if this could lead to some kind of failure over long term use. Agreed on the battery life. I have 2 Eo-Tech's- 1 for work and 1 on a personal rifle. The one that sits in my safe seems to drain the battery even when it isn't being used. I don't understand this. |
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Eotech would be a home run for me if they just had better battery life Crappy user controls for me. I could live with low battery life in the controls were better. How about a simple friggin' knob instead of tiny squishy buttons!? You're right...the batteries DO feel squishy. I do wonder if this could lead to some kind of failure over long term use. Agreed on the battery life. I have 2 Eo-Tech's- 1 for work and 1 on a personal rifle. The one that sits in my safe seems to drain the battery even when it isn't being used. I don't understand this. 3 things are possible with battery drained when TURNED OFF: 1. it's not turned off but is still ON, albeit very dim 2. bad battery 3. OFF switch on EOTech is not really off |
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Eotechs use an electronic switch which is never 100% completely "off" like a mechanical switch. If there's a problem w/the switch it will draw more in the "off" position than it's supposed to, leading to drained batteries. If you have this problem contact Eotech to get it fixed.
Personally, I'd rather see an Eotech w/a rotary switch (ala Aimpoint) or a rotary switch w/a separate on/off switch so you can leave the rotary switch at the desired brightness level when you turn it on/off. Tomac |
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Eotechs use an electronic switch which is never 100% completely "off" like a mechanical switch. If there's a problem w/the switch it will draw more in the "off" position than it's supposed to, leading to drained batteries. If you have this problem contact Eotech to get it fixed. Personally, I'd rather see an Eotech w/a rotary switch (ala Aimpoint) or a rotary switch w/a separate on/off switch so you can leave the rotary switch at the desired brightness level when you turn it on/off. Tomac I really don't understand why they can't do something like this. A mechanical knob would solve most complaints people have with them. I want to love Eotechs but I don't like the buttons or battery life. I could deal with shorter battery life if I was sure I could turn it off when not using it. |
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Quoted: I've owned all 3 brands. (EOTech 512, Aimpoint M2 and T-1, Trijicon RMR, TA50-4 and RX-01) I found fault with all but the Aimpoint T-1. I still own the RMR but finding a gun to benefit from a 9 MOA dot isn't easy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Pistol or shotgun. |
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Eotechs use an electronic switch which is never 100% completely "off" like a mechanical switch. If there's a problem w/the switch it will draw more in the "off" position than it's supposed to, leading to drained batteries. If you have this problem contact Eotech to get it fixed. Personally, I'd rather see an Eotech w/a rotary switch (ala Aimpoint) or a rotary switch w/a separate on/off switch so you can leave the rotary switch at the desired brightness level when you turn it on/off. Tomac I really don't understand why they can't do something like this. A mechanical knob would solve most complaints people have with them. I want to love Eotechs but I don't like the buttons or battery life. I could deal with shorter battery life if I was sure I could turn it off when not using it. Most of the problems is either with bad/drained battery or not turning it off. To turn it off, just "UP" and "DOWN" arrow simultaneously. Not exactly a rocket science. |
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