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Posted: 4/18/2010 2:29:45 PM EDT
| Got to run the new ACR at the range today.Great trigger and fits well.Is it worth 2400.00,no way in hell.Safety lever feels as if it's going to snap off,charging handle feels the same.LMT is a much better rifle.ACR is worth 800.00 tops.Just my 2 cents |
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all i know is that it came out at a really bad time with that price tag  I agree..I could see a shit load of panic buyers paying more if it came out after the election..If it was in the $1300-$1500 price range, I would have probably picked one up to test it out myself.. |
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Got to run the new ACR at the range today.Great trigger and fits well.Is it worth 2400.00,no way in hell.Safety lever feels as if it's going to snap off,charging handle feels the same.LMT is a much better rifle.ACR is worth 800.00 tops.Just my 2 cents I have to agree. The charging handle on the ACR feels like it will snap off in 2 seconds |
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eta.....also i might buy it if i actually tasted any magpul in it  They can claim that masada turned into the acr or whatever but i see very little magpul flavor to it.The bbl isn't perfect, but the design of the gun seems fairly true to the original. Aside from that what do you feel that it is missing? |
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eta.....also i might buy it if i actually tasted any magpul in it They can claim that masada turned into the acr or whatever but i see very little magpul flavor to it.The stock, lower, and handguards are all built by Magpul. The design for the rifle is also true to the Masada. The forward charging handle was moved forward before Magpul entered into contract with Bushmaster. The gas piston system was made so it could be removed without tools. Besides barrel twist those are the only changes to the original Masada. It is a great rifle with an uncomfortable price tag. It's too bad things turned out this way, but some day bushmaster will have to drop the price. |
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For something thats competing with a battle proven weapons system (the AR) it has got to be extremely reliable, and more accurate for a reasonable price.
Users need to feel comfortable with the weapon and comfortable that it will work in the worst conditions, and continue to work.... I'm not spending money on a gun that has questionable reliability. Especially the money Bushy wants for it. I think both the ACR and SCAR are WAY over priced. I'd pay $800 to $1000 for them, if I was convinced that they are at least as good as a good AR15, but right now I'm not. 
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Quoted: Got to run the new ACR at the range today.Great trigger and fits well.Is it worth 2400.00,no way in hell.Safety lever feels as if it's going to snap off,charging handle feels the same.LMT is a much better rifle.ACR is worth 800.00 tops.Just my 2 cents Charging handle is suppose to tilt back when pulled. It's not going to snap off. Oh and for folks complaining about the lack of a chrome lined barrel the nitride or similar process in theory should be superior so I'd give Bushmaster a chance on that one. Of course, I hate that its standard with a 1:9 twist so feel free to complain about that one. When considering price we did see the FNH SCAR, FNH FS2000, and Steyr AUG A3 all come in at close to the same price at their FULL MSRP. Unfortunately, $2,400 would be "market price" not MSRP that is for the standard listed at $2,685, which is full blown retarded. My issue with the ACR though is that you don't get a rail system standard for that price and they give you plastic MBUS...come on Bushmaster. Also why do you only get a single 30 round PMAG? For Pete's sake Magpul is suppose to be a partner on this deal so why not at least two PMAGs? Especially for those who are being essentially "Beta Testers" and buying early at or near full MSRP? I mean for an MSRP of $2,685 they really nickle and dime that crap out of you by not giving you very much for the standard. I think the enhanced version should be the only version and should MSRP for $2,300 flat. Actual market price would be $2K for the first few quarters and hopefully drop below the $2K line after that. |
| OK, I decided to pick one up at a local store. They got their ACR's in a few weeks ago, and this is the first one that they have sold. It's a bit on the hefty side, and the bolt release is quite stiff. Actually, I can get the bolt to close when using two fingers on the release. I'm sure once it's broken in, it will be fine. I haven't spent much time with it thus far, probably only half an hour, but I'll get it taken apart, and shoot it pretty soon. I sold a walk in customer the included sights. Ordering TROY Micros for it. Oh, some have complained about the stock. Since I shoot a lot of AK's, I feel right at home as far as the OAL. It's prefect. It balances better than my previous SIG556's. In any event, fit/finish is nice. |
| Congrats....I think after you have spent some time on the system, you will be able to look past some of the negatives. I bought Troy Micros for my ACR at AIMsurplus (think they are currently sold out). Was the cheapest place (at 189.00 not THAT cheap). Please keep everybody informed of your assessments. Nice to have different points of view. |
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Congrats....I think after you have spent some time on the system, you will be able to look past some of the negatives. I bought Troy Micros for my ACR at AIMsurplus (think they are currently sold out). Was the cheapest place (at 189.00 not THAT cheap). Please keep everybody informed of your assessments. Nice to have different points of view. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=28&t=188783 |
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OK, I decided to pick one up at a local store. They got their ACR's in a few weeks ago, and this is the first one that they have sold. It's a bit on the hefty side, and the bolt release is quite stiff. Actually, I can get the bolt to close when using two fingers on the release. I'm sure once it's broken in, it will be fine. I haven't spent much time with it thus far, probably only half an hour, but I'll get it taken apart, and shoot it pretty soon. I sold a walk in customer the included sights. Ordering TROY Micros for it. Oh, some have complained about the stock. Since I shoot a lot of AK's, I feel right at home as far as the OAL. It's prefect. It balances better than my previous SIG556's. In any event, fit/finish is nice. Your going to love it. I've put a few hundred rounds through mine and i like it even more after each time I shoot it. The bolt release does get easier once you break it in. Enjoy! |
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Be nice if the barrel was at least chromelined for that money.Ill stick with a standard AR and Ospre416 kit for $1100  Chrome lined is dated technology....nitrided bbls are more durable and more accurate. I don't care for much of what BM did with the ACR, but the bbl treatment choice was the correct one. Sean |
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It's still an expiremental rifle. +1 I'm waiting to see how it does. Bushmaster barrels have a decent reputation. Not sure what coating they are using, but is it really so prorietary that they can't tell us what it is? If they could explain it, it would most likely inspire confidence in the rifle. The 1/9 is not a deal killer for me, as 99% of my shooting is done w/ 55 gr. However, for that price point I'd want to have the option to use heavier bullets. They say the ACR doesn't need lube. I'm waiting for reports to roll in in the next few months. I want to get an idea as to the longevity and quality of all the parts. I don't think we can damn the rifle just yet (we can damn the price), but we can't hail it either. |
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It's still an expiremental rifle. +1 I'm waiting to see how it does. Bushmaster barrels have a decent reputation. Not sure what coating they are using, but is it really so prorietary that they can't tell us what it is? If they could explain it, it would most likely inspire confidence in the rifle. The 1/9 is not a deal killer for me, as 99% of my shooting is done w/ 55 gr. However, for that price point I'd want to have the option to use heavier bullets. They say the ACR doesn't need lube. I'm waiting for reports to roll in in the next few months. I want to get an idea as to the longevity and quality of all the parts. I don't think we can damn the rifle just yet (we can damn the price), but we can't hail it either. The "proprietary coating" is just Melonite. When done on an industrial or production scale the cost of Melonite coating is similar to parkerizing for the manufacturer. Steel 200 to 1070 HV (more hardness = much more brittle, think glass at 1070) Steel on Steel Coefficient of Friction .7 Hard Chrome Hardnes HV 850-1000 HV Coefficient of Friction .5 Melonite/salt bath nitrocarburized Hardness 700 - 1600 HV Coefficient of Friction .16 DiamondBLACK/PVD carbon nitride Hardness 2,000+ HV Coefficient of Friction .05-.1 What coating do you think I like to use on my firearms? |
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Quoted: I'm guessing steel.Quoted: It's still an expiremental rifle. +1 I'm waiting to see how it does. Bushmaster barrels have a decent reputation. Not sure what coating they are using, but is it really so prorietary that they can't tell us what it is? If they could explain it, it would most likely inspire confidence in the rifle. The 1/9 is not a deal killer for me, as 99% of my shooting is done w/ 55 gr. However, for that price point I'd want to have the option to use heavier bullets. They say the ACR doesn't need lube. I'm waiting for reports to roll in in the next few months. I want to get an idea as to the longevity and quality of all the parts. I don't think we can damn the rifle just yet (we can damn the price), but we can't hail it either. The "proprietary coating" is just Melonite. When done on an industrial or production scale the cost of Melonite coating is similar to parkerizing for the manufacturer. Steel 200 to 1070 HV (more hardness = much more brittle, think glass at 1070) Steel on Steel Coefficient of Friction .7 Hard Chrome Hardnes HV 850-1000 HV Coefficient of Friction .5 Melonite/salt bath nitrocarburized Hardness 700 - 1600 HV Coefficient of Friction .16 DiamondBLACK/PVD carbon nitride Hardness 2,000+ HV Coefficient of Friction .05-.1 What coating do you think I like to use on my firearms? |
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I'm guessing steel.
Back on topic though. Melonite / nitriding is a great high-quality, cost-effective coating that should be more widely used. A nitrided barrel is in many ways better than a chrome lined one... and it's also less expensive to apply. And that's one of the issues here; Bushmaster has taken to calling it some super-secret special coating in a bid to 'explain' the high MSRP. Every feature of the ACR that makes it cost-effective to manufacture has instead been spun to the public as being prohibitively expensive. And while it requires significantly less lubrication, especially as a piston system, not telling people to grease the BCG rails is just silly. |
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I thought that there is a process that is more superior to nitride coating, something being used on industrial tools? Someone covered this in a previous post. I absolutely concur with everyone that states that the "secret" aspect of this coating needs to be revealed already. I'm not even close to being an engineer, but even I can make a few educated guesses as to what it is so I'm sure those in the industry know what Bushmaster is doing anyways. As Nill has been so correct in pointing out these new methods are suppose to help cut manufacturing costs in mass production items. On another topic I'm deeply disappointed that for a $2K+ rifle you only get a 5 year warranty. That does not inspire confidence on a new design to the level where you want to go out and dump a lot of cash on an unproven rifle. I also agree that the idea that this is a rifle that doesn't require lubrication is so silly it's venturing into full retard category. The only reason I bitch about these things and point them out is that I like the ACR design. I will purchase it. It has many nice features, but seems plagued with some B.S. that shouldn't even be an issue. |
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