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Posted: 10/7/2009 1:59:16 PM EDT
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Has anybody used this? It fires the gun on the pull and release correct?
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I don't know if this has already been talked about, didn't know it myself til last week, but I was at the ATF website last week looking at getting an SBR and apparently they deem all these Hellfire and similar devices as a machine gun part now. Really? I was at a show last weekend in Orlando and the ATF were there, I overhead an agent telling a guy how to SBR an AR pistol. There were also multiple tables selling the tac trigger. |
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Yep, Unless I misread it but go to ATF's site click "firearms" at the top, then it says "program information updated 2/24/09", its the seventh one down "ATF Ruling 2006-2" click it and read. I don't know how to make a link or make it "hot" for that matter but here is the address on the firearms page to where all you need to do is scroll down.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/index.htm Warning my little personal rant of similar ATF rulings in general follows, Let me add I think it is complete BS, I am not a fan of the Hellfire and similar devices but apparently people have been writing in to the ATF about it and the ATF made the call, mabe if people would read the laws and abide by them instead of wanting an absolute final ruling and a personal letter from the ATF to them so they can carry it around and show to all their buddy's and cop friends this stuff would at the very least slow down if not even be brought up. |
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Yep, Unless I misread it but go to ATF's site click "firearms" at the top, then it says "program information updated 2/24/09", its the seventh one down "ATF Ruling 2006-2" click it and read. I don't know how to make a link or make it "hot" for that matter but here is the address on the firearms page to where all you need to do is scroll down. http://www.atf.gov/firearms/index.htm Warning my little personal rant of similar ATF rulings in general follows, Let me add I think it is complete BS, I am not a fan of the Hellfire and similar devices but apparently people have been writing in to the ATF about it and the ATF made the call, mabe if people would read the laws and abide by them instead of wanting an absolute final ruling and a personal letter from the ATF to them so they can carry it around and show to all their buddy's and cop friends this stuff would at the very least slow down if not even be brought up. Sounds to me that it has to do with the Akins Accelerator, and not the Hellfire or similiar devices. |
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That's in the Q&A section but if you read the ATF Ruling 2006-2 "ATF has been asked by several members of the firearms industry to classify devices that are exclusively designed to increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm." It becomes more clear the more you read farther down, and no where in the ruling does it state the "Akins Accelerator" only "devices". Now the Q&A states the Akins but that is not the ruling. Its as if the ATF ruled said no more semi autos as they can be converted to full to easily. They have a Q&A about people writing in about clarification of the I don't know say the SKS, ok but what does the ruling say?
Kinda like the Kershaw knives were illegal in Texas til Sept. 1, but not to many people knew about it, now the law states any knife that is operated by a button or lever on the handle is a switchblade (roughly something to that extent, trying to remember). Before it was any knife with a spring or gravity assist was a switchblade. (See Texas Legislator Online for info) Just please nobody write the ATF about it the ruling is there for you to read and is ultimately up to you, does this mean the ATF is coming for you? I doubt it and local cops probably think its cool because as long as I can remember I've been seeing Hellfire for at least 10yrs. at the shows, but I wouldn't travel with one or put it on a HD gun. |
| I hear you, I'm just using this as a platform to get my recent pet peeve across I guess. As I have never even used a Hellfire or rubber band or bump fired with my finger anything because its just to much of a waste but I have seen the youtube videos. Ill throw this out there for everyone to ponder laws, statutes, rulings by the govt. are all written by lawyers your reps. or whoever my say this or that but the final word is wrote by lawyers every word is there for a reason and has been looked at and debated, hence letter of the law. So when something from a govt. agency, state, Fed what have you and it is written a little broad or there is room for play there is a reason for that wording its kind of an umbrella effect. Never knowing of the Akins til last week they thought they could stand at the edge of the line that the law had drawn and stick their tongue's out. Problem is the line they thought they were at was just a blur or smear. Best I can understand the Akins was marketed as a device that could shoot multiple rounds, it did this by in simple terms using a spring and recoil. Now the Hellfire is marketed as device to shoot multiple rounds? check. Uses a spring and recoil to achieve this? check. ATF ruling does not list Akins by name just devices? check |
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The ATF specifically lists the Akins device.
Here is the text. If everything (finger, trigger, "accelerating" device, etc.) has movement between shots then there is no way it meets the satutory MG definition. |
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