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Posted: 8/29/2009 2:48:31 PM EDT
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"High capacity": a term commonly used by those whose mental capacity is anything but "high", to describe what the rest of us know as "normal", or "standard" capacity mags. The diminished hoplophobic minions of menial mags are usually describing a 30 rounder or above for a long gun, and anything over 10 for a handgun. When those are gone, they'll re-define the term to include whatever is left.
Also a term that will eventually be used to describe the expansion of our voting rights, and the delimiter of our cyclic voting rate. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Then what the hell is a 30round Glock mag?There is no such thing as a "high capacity" magazine.  Just "standard capacity" and "reduced capacity".I think that it could be called a high(er than standard) capacity magazine, or an "extra capacity" magazine. Same with the drum magazines for rifles. |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology.
IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rnd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rnds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. |
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I just always figured it was anything with a greater capacity than the magazines the firearm was designed with. My Ruger P-95 was designed for a 15 round mag. I got it with reduced capacity mags though. I bought a high capacity 30 rounder for it. I could also get high capacity flush fit mags which hold 17 rounds.
In some cases however the standard changes. IIRC the original M-16 magazines were 20 rounders. At some point that was changed to 30. Does that make the latter a high capacity mag? I don't think so. It would be like saying that power steering is an optional feature on modern cars. |
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There is no such thing as a "high capacity" magazine. Just "standard capacity" and "reduced capacity".Then what the hell is a 30round glock mag? Standard mag for a Glock 18. I suppose you could call it an "extended capacity" since it extends past the grip. |
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Quoted: We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. No.  |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. No.
Wow, how did I miss that? 
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. No.
Maybe it's just an Ohio law then. 
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rnd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rnds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. No.
Maybe it's just an Ohio law then.
Is it an Ohio law? Link? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Wow, how did I miss that? Quoted: No. We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. Slipping?  |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rnd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rnds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. Where the fuck I got that info is from a 16 year instructor for the Ohio Police Officer Training Academy, not Brady or Obama. Did I run to google to check and see if what he said is correct, no. The info was given in a course I took on the use of deadly force. Spare me the definitions, finish reading what I wrote between those two little marks called parentheses. |
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No. We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS.
Slipping?
Man, it's been a long couple of weeks. I must've been staring blankly at the screen instead of reading. It happens, right? 
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Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. "“Automatic firearm” is any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." This would be from the far left, liberal NRA group's website. Page 5: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf |
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Quoted: Quoted: No. Quoted: "“Automatic firearm” is any firearm designed orWhere the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." This would be from the far left, liberal NRA group's website. Page 5: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf OK, so this may be true as an Ohio STATE LAW. It is definitely not true in the FREE STATES!  |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rnd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rnds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS. Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. Where the fuck I got that info is from a 16 year instructor for the Ohio Police Officer Training Academy, not Brady or Obama. Did I run to google to check and see if what he said is correct, no. The info was given in a course I took on the use of deadly force. Spare me the definitions, finish reading what I wrote between those two little marks called parentheses. I really don't care what you wrote. If some trainer told you that, he is wrong, period. Apparently you need the defintion.I read the part in parentheses and it's still wrong, thus the accurate definition given. You said to correct you if you were wrong and I corrected you. What's the problem? |
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We don't need to hide behind terminology. IMO - a high capacity mag depends on the gun it's being used for. For example is a mag that doesn't fit fully into the grip I consider a hi-cap, a 30 rnd Glock mag for example. As far as rifles, IMO anything over 30 is a high cap. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that loading a mag w/ more than 30 rnds then qualifies it as a machine gun (regardless of firing ability). So, while a 44 round Glock mag is legal, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to load it beyond 31 rounds. Now, calling a mag that fits fully into a pistol but carries 12 rounds a high-cap is just stupid Brady BS.
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Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. "“Automatic firearm” is any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." This would be from the far left, liberal NRA group's website. Page 5: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf All they are doing is quoting the law, so forget the "far left" bullshit. That Ohio law is horseshit and WAS influenced by the gun grabbing types that I mentioned. It is completely inaccurate and is not a legitimate description of what a machinegun is, period. |
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Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. "“Automatic firearm” is any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." This would be from the far left, liberal NRA group's website. Page 5: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf All they are doing is quoting the law, so forget the "far left" bullshit. That Ohio law is horseshit and WAS influenced by the gun grabbing types that I mentioned. It is completely inaccurate and is not a legitimate description of what a machinegun is, period. The "far left" bullshit is replying to you asking if I got the info from Brady or Obama. Almost ALL gun laws are influenced by gun grabbing types, the definition is what is defined by law, not my definition. |
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Where the fuck did you get that info? The Brady Bunch? Obama and his crowd? A machinegun is one that fires more than one shot per trigger pull. A semiauto is not a machinegun regardless of the size of the mag. "“Automatic firearm” is any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges." This would be from the far left, liberal NRA group's website. Page 5: http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/OHSL.pdf All they are doing is quoting the law, so forget the "far left" bullshit. That Ohio law is horseshit and WAS influenced by the gun grabbing types that I mentioned. It is completely inaccurate and is not a legitimate description of what a machinegun is, period. The "far left" bullshit is replying to you asking if I got the info from Brady or Obama. Almost ALL gun laws are influenced by gun grabbing types, the definition is what is defined by law, not my definition. So, implying that the NRA is a leftist organization in response to backlash you get for posting that nonsense makes some kind of point? Quite the opposite. That state law was heavily influenced by the gun grabbers, moreso that most laws. Most states, by far, do not put such a description in their laws. Most states follow the NFA and technical definition of what a machinegun is. That law is total nonsense and is completely inaccurate. If you log onto any gun website and post that, you can expect backlash, so don't act all indignant that you got some. In fact, I am sure you knew it would stir up a hornet's nest. |
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So, implying that the NRA is a leftist organization in response to backlash you get for posting that nonsense makes some kind of point? Quite the opposite. That state law was heavily influenced by the gun grabbers, moreso that most laws. Most states, by far, do not put such a description in their laws. Most states follow the NFA and technical definition of what a machinegun is. That law is total nonsense and is completely inaccurate. If you log onto any gun website and post that, you can expect backlash, so don't act all indignant that you got some. In fact, I am sure you knew it would stir up a hornet's nest. What the hell is your problem? The nonsense I posted is a state law. None of this took a bad turn until you had to be a dick and start making implications that I get my information from Brady and Obama, when, in fact the information I got is from the law in which the state I reside. In fact, you are wrong - I did not type anything trying to stir up a hornet's nest. What I typed was info which I stated "Correct me if I'm wrong". The only thing I was wrong about is that it was a state law when I thought it was a federal law. And for that, I apologize, but I tend to concern myself with what laws I need to be aware of to keep myself a responsible firearm owner. The truth is, there are other people that are also on this site from the state of Ohio and I'm sure that not all of them knew of that law. Knowing it now may keep someone out of trouble when they are doing something they may have previously thought was legal. Most online forums tend to have a sense of community where memebers help each other out, especially gun websites where we tend to need to stick together, so no - I didn't expect any backlash about posting a law and no there was no intention to try to get your panties in a bunch. |
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So, implying that the NRA is a leftist organization in response to backlash you get for posting that nonsense makes some kind of point? Quite the opposite. That state law was heavily influenced by the gun grabbers, moreso that most laws. Most states, by far, do not put such a description in their laws. Most states follow the NFA and technical definition of what a machinegun is. That law is total nonsense and is completely inaccurate. If you log onto any gun website and post that, you can expect backlash, so don't act all indignant that you got some. In fact, I am sure you knew it would stir up a hornet's nest. What the hell is your problem? The nonsense I posted is a state law. None of this took a bad turn until you had to be a dick and start making implications that I get my information from Brady and Obama, when, in fact the information I got is from the law in which the state I reside. In fact, you are wrong - I did not type anything trying to stir up a hornet's nest. What I typed was info which I stated "Correct me if I'm wrong". The only thing I was wrong about is that it was a state law when I thought it was a federal law. And for that, I apologize, but I tend to concern myself with what laws I need to be aware of to keep myself a responsible firearm owner. The truth is, there are other people that are also on this site from the state of Ohio and I'm sure that not all of them knew of that law. Knowing it now may keep someone out of trouble when they are doing something they may have previously thought was legal. Most online forums tend to have a sense of community where memebers help each other out, especially gun websites where we tend to need to stick together, so no - I didn't expect any backlash about posting a law and no there was no intention to try to get your panties in a bunch. Yeah, whatever. 
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Quoted: What the hell is your problem? The nonsense I posted is a state law. None of this took a bad turn until you had to be a dick and start making implications that I get my information from Brady and Obama, when, in fact the information I got is from the law in which the state I reside. In fact, you are wrong - I did not type anything trying to stir up a hornet's nest. What I typed was info which I stated "Correct me if I'm wrong". The only thing I was wrong about is that it was a state law when I thought it was a federal law. And for that, I apologize, but I tend to concern myself with what laws I need to be aware of to keep myself a responsible firearm owner. The truth is, there are other people that are also on this site from the state of Ohio and I'm sure that not all of them knew of that law. Knowing it now may keep someone out of trouble when they are doing something they may have previously thought was legal. Most online forums tend to have a sense of community where members help each other out, especially gun websites where we tend to need to stick together, so no - I didn't expect any backlash about posting a law and no there was no intention to try to get your panties in a bunch. Calm down, nobody is trying to jump all over you! The truth is that (in this section of the forum) that information was WRONG and needed to be corrected. State laws should be kept in the "home town" section of the forum to prevent confusion among members not from that state. |
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What the hell is your problem? The nonsense I posted is a state law. None of this took a bad turn until you had to be a dick and start making implications that I get my information from Brady and Obama, when, in fact the information I got is from the law in which the state I reside. In fact, you are wrong - I did not type anything trying to stir up a hornet's nest. What I typed was info which I stated "Correct me if I'm wrong". The only thing I was wrong about is that it was a state law when I thought it was a federal law. And for that, I apologize, but I tend to concern myself with what laws I need to be aware of to keep myself a responsible firearm owner. The truth is, there are other people that are also on this site from the state of Ohio and I'm sure that not all of them knew of that law. Knowing it now may keep someone out of trouble when they are doing something they may have previously thought was legal. Most online forums tend to have a sense of community where members help each other out, especially gun websites where we tend to need to stick together, so no - I didn't expect any backlash about posting a law and no there was no intention to try to get your panties in a bunch. Calm down, nobody is trying to jump all over you! The truth is that (in this section of the forum) that information was WRONG and needed to be corrected. State laws should be kept in the "home town" section of the forum to prevent confusion among members not from that state. You are correct - which is why I said correct me if I'm wrong - just didn't expect the correction to come w/ the Brady and Obama BS. I remember learning about it during a firearms course, and thought it was BATF, if I knew it was Ohio only, I would've noted the state specificity and/or not brought it up here. |
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