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Posted: 7/5/2009 5:44:10 PM EDT
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A question to those who follow old timey guns.
A Webley Mark 4 was found in Iraq recently. It is a 38, and was issued as a basic service pistol in the late 1800’s to early 1900’s in Britain. That’s about all I know. How would it have gotten in Iraq? How much could it be worth? It’s pretty beat up, but not rusted or terribly scratched. |
| How was it chambered in .38; original Webleys are in .455 Webley. If it is a real Webley, then it would be worth $200 to $400, or maybe even $600 if the condition is good. However, its useless since you don't have the import FFL along with all the other red tape. |
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The Webley Mk IV is the 38 version that came out in the thirties. Brits adapted it as substitute standard during WW II. Uses the 38 S & W round, not the 39 Special.
Like most Webleys price has gone up in recent years. Seen them priced from 250 to 350. At one time they were pretty common and pretty cheap. Not so much any more. Solid, reliable if uninspired design. Probably pretty common in former British possessions. |
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The are commonly found throughout Iraq. I found these last year. From the top:
Enfield No2 Mk1 in .380/200 British (.38 S&W) made in 1932 Nickled Webley MkIV in .380/200 British Webley MkVI in .455 Webley made in 1923 
Barrel lengths can be found from 2-6", blued, nickled or parkerized. In 03' I had about 10 tins of .455 ammo made in Pakistan in the 60s. Both rounds are on the light side, ie think 630-700fps. During the late 80s I purchased a Webley Mk IV through Frankonia Jgd. in Munich. BATF disapproved my Form 6 importation letter stating the gun was war surplus and not importable (fall 1990). Last year BATFE again stated any firearms are not importable from Iraq, period! CD |
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The are commonly found throughout Iraq. I found these last year. From the W) made in 1932 Nickled Webley MkIV in .380/200 British Webley MkVI in .455 Webley made in 1923 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/P3200176_British_revolvers_rz.JPG Barrel lengths can be found from 2-6", blued, nickled or parkerized. In 03' I had about 10 tins of .455 ammo made in Pakistan in the 60s. Both rounds are on the light side, ie think 630-700fps. During the late 80s I purchased a Webley Mk IV through Frankonia Jgd. in Munich. BATF disapproved my Form 6 importation letter stating the gun was war surplus and not importable (fall 1990). Last year BATFE again stated any firearms are not importable from Iraq, period! CD Dumbest rule ever. I know, I'm preaching the choir. 
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Quoted: Quoted: The are commonly found throughout Iraq. I found these last year. From the W) made in 1932 Nickled Webley MkIV in .380/200 British Webley MkVI in .455 Webley made in 1923 http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/P3200176_British_revolvers_rz.JPG Barrel lengths can be found from 2-6", blued, nickled or parkerized. In 03' I had about 10 tins of .455 ammo made in Pakistan in the 60s. Both rounds are on the light side, ie think 630-700fps. During the late 80s I purchased a Webley Mk IV through Frankonia Jgd. in Munich. BATF disapproved my Form 6 importation letter stating the gun was war surplus and not importable (fall 1990). Last year BATFE again stated any firearms are not importable from Iraq, period! CD Dumbest rule ever. I know, I'm preaching the choir.  Anybody have an idea of where I can find various small parts for my 1925 .455 Mk VI Enfield, that allows its cylinder to rotate and shave lead?  
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Anybody have an idea of where I can find various small parts for my 1925 .455 Mk VI Enfield, that allows its cylinder to rotate and shave lead? This is the first place I would look. http://www.e-gunparts.com/ |
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Anybody have an idea of where I can find various small parts for my 1925 .455 Mk VI Enfield, that allows its cylinder to rotate and shave lead? This is the first place I would look. http://www.e-gunparts.com/ try the enfield forum over on CSP (jouster.com) |
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Quoted: Quoted: Anybody have an idea of where I can find various small parts for my 1925 .455 Mk VI Enfield, that allows its cylinder to rotate and shave lead? This is the first place I would look. http://www.e-gunparts.com/ Thanks!!  But actually, I cleaned them out the last time I was in their storefront operation.  I even got a nice set of Webley marked grip panels and a (item #16) cam lever, which has fixed the tendency for the cylinder to depart the gun, along with the ejected empty cartridges. There wasn't anything else to be had for .455 Webleys, and it doesn't seem to have improved. I'm thinking I could use a new(er): #9 Trigger #11 Pawl Although I fixed it, I'd also like a new set of: #15 Cylinder Cam #16 Cylinder Lever BTW, the Webley grips had too much material near the top, to be fitted on this frame. If you know of some who needs them, I'd be up for swapping, rather than removing material on vintage grips. ....and I'd also like a tan british issue cord-type lanyard with the fancy knots, etc. If someone in a sandy region has to destroy some indigenous weapons, and these kind of parts happen to fall on the ground afterwards, and find their way here, I'm sure some sort of reward could be arranged .
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The Webley Mark IV was in .455 in service caliber. It was sold as a civilian weapon in .38 as well, and common as a police weapon.
Since from 1918-1930s the Brits ruled Iraq (there are several Brit military cemeteries there from WW1, 2, etc) and there's quite a few Brit weapons found there (Sterlings, Lee-Enfields, etc) finding a .38 Webley isn't exactly a shocker. The Enfield No.2 was the Brit issue weapon, basically a ripoff of the .38 caliber Webley that was proposed to replace the older Mark I through VI .455's for the same reason as the M9 vs M1911 ("less recoil, easier to teach troops"). If you've got a Webley Mark IV in .38 over there, you're basically stuck, it's useless to you, and also, have fun trying to find .38 S&W/ .380/200 ammo. |
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