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Posted: 3/25/2008 2:39:59 PM EDT
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Is it dumb for me to want a "clone" of most every major battle rifle/service rifle that the US has had in the past 100 years, minus some redundency? If I missed anything let me know. I need to finish up my M4 clone. This is what I need:
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There were actually more M1917s than M1903s (75% of all rifles were M1917s) in use by the American Expeditionary Force during WWI. The BAR was widely issued; it was like a SAW. You can get them for a reasonable price if you look around. |
 Great thanks a lot, add another to the list!  Or I could remove one of them.And no I am not going to get 3 different M16 clone configs! |
I'd just build an M16A1 clone and call it a day myself. Otherwise you'll need an M16, M16A1, M16A2, M16A4 and M4. Don't get me started on M1903s! |
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1903 1903a3 1917 M1 Garand M1 Carbine M1A/M14 clone M16 M16A1 M16A2 M4A1 M4A2 M16A4 M4A4 whats sad is that list of M16 clones is just the tip of the iceburg...within the retro style there are a bunch more variations. Thats a more or less complete list of US battle rifles from the turn of the century till today |
I guess just an M16A4 or M16A2 clone, M1A, and probably another M4 with a different optic too. Oh yeah and a Garand if I can find one cheap.
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Garand and cheap are words that seldom go together. My little collection is a Garand, a Carbine, an 03, and a 1917. I have one AR (a RRA CMP rig) with another lower awaiting an M-4 kit. M1A's are just to much crazy money for me to even consider. Ditto on the BAR clones. A Krag would be nice, but it will be awhile. |
For the part in red, look up Alvin York. The 1917 and P14 saw action side by side and I believe a bunch of the 1917's had a white or yellow stripe painted on the buttstock so that the ones in use by the British could be differentiated from the P14. Might have been the other way around. It's a great rifle, and IMO better than the 1903. |
what the heck is an "M4A2" or "M4A4"? 
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You need: 1898 Krag 1903 leaf rear sight 1917 Winchester or eddystone, actually more of these issued than 1903s during WW1 1903a2 peep rear sight m1 garand m1 carbine m14 clone M16a1 m16a2 m4 carbine Automatic rifles Johnson BAR M14e2 This would include everyting from the 1900's rifle wise pistols 1901-1903 colt new service 1917 revolver Smith & colt 1911 Model 10 Victory model S&W M9 Sig 226 (M11) |
ones a flat top, one's not |
Actually, that's M4 and M4A1. It does not follow the same nomenclature of the M16. I noticed no one mentioned the M16A3, but for us that don't want to spend $16k, that would just be the same as an A2.
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Yeah but there are M4s with flattops, not just M4A1. I thought the difference in nomenclature is M4 means burst, M4A1 is full auto. Both have flattops. Eta So does that mean the M4s with A2 carry handles were called M16 commandos or whatever? |
I did a little digging. Before the official adoption of the carbines as M4, they were called all kinds of things. The early M4s (after the official adoption) had the fixed carry handle but then changed to flattop with no change in designation. It seems that they just started with A2 uppers since that was what was most available in order to get them in the field and then switched over as the A4 recievers became more readily available. And you are right, M4 is burst, M4A1 is full, but there is no such thing as an M4A4 as someone claimed. |
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I have decided to just say, screw the whole thing because I will buy an FN SCAR when it comes out and also eventually another M4gery (but with an ACOG), but also the only other rifle on my list that is still an option is the M1A, just because I don't have one and it seems quite necessary.
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Nah, instead of either, get an AR10.
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I have been thinking that actually...  I might get that instead of the M1A actually, who knows.I am interested in a lighter weight, compact AR10. Thus my best option is the DPMS AP4. Eta I will for sure get the SCAR!
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Johnson Rifle and Machine guns were used in the Pacific by the Marine Corps Paratrooper units until 44 when they were phased out. I left the rifle of the list because of the limited issue but the Machine gun I put on there because it is one of only three automatic rifles we have issued. |
I just checked and it is a Sig 228, I am unfamilair with Sigs I thought it was the 226 thanks for the heads up. The automatic Johnson feeds from a magazine while the rifle feeds from the internal drum there are also front sight and barrel differences, really they are different firearms except for the gas system. |
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