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Posted: 7/31/2007 5:41:34 PM EDT
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does anybody have any experience with both bullpups, i think that the AUG may be a better overall platform with its ability to sawp barrels, but am still draw to the fs2000, any type of comparison would be appreciated considering that the new US AUGS are comming out sometime soon, i am wondering if i should put a deposit on the MSAR AUG or get the fs2000 this week, cost will be about the same i do plan on buying both rifles in the next couple of months but am looking for help on what one i should choose first |
that's my biggest complaint of the FS2000 as well. they shoot nice, they're just too bulky. the AUG is much more streamlined and sexier. the AUG's only drawback is the fact that you have to switch bolts out for right and left handed firing. |
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I own both rifles and like both alot, however if I had to pick just one I would grab the AUG. The advantage the FS2000 has is that it is trully fully ambidextrous and would allow you to shoot from your off hand without any problems. The disadvantage of the AUG is that it is essentially going to be configured as a left hand or right hande rifle, you won't have the option to shoot from your off hand to take advantage of cover. The other two advantages the AUG has is it's quick change barrel system is awesome and unlike the FS2000 it has a last round bolt hold open. |
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I own a AUG, USR, and FS2000 The FS2000 has a crisper trigger, better optics since you can use any you want, the donut on the AUG is too big, a torso at 200 yards fits right in the center. The Aug seems heavier while the FS2000 seems more lively in the hands, sorta like the swing difference between a skeet shotgun versus a trap shotgun. The mag change on a FS2000 is alot slower than the AUG. also, the FS2000 does not have a bolt hold open. The FS2000 only feels bulky because the foregrip area is really too wide, and angles so it is not easy to grip firmly. However, the AUG is harder to shoot prone with the foregrip down, with it up, the gas marks up the grip pretty bad. personally I like both, each has its strength and weakness. personally would not get any of the new AUG clones till they get rid of that stupid bolt assist, it is right where my cheek weld is. |
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The FS2000 could have surpassed the AUG and should have, but they just left out too many features so to me it is a half effort at best at would could have been the best bullpup in the world. I own an AUG and its ability to have a tooless quick change barrel and the ease in which it fields strips is truely amazing and it makes the first true modular rifle system. Unfortunately, the FS2000 does not have a quick change barrel and due to US restrictions on imports has a pinned flashhider and issues that arise when one wants to switch out for a 14" barrel or thread the barrel for a suprressor. The lack of a last round bolt hold open and the absence of a true drop free magazine is also disappointing. Where as the AUG has both the last round bolt hold open and the drop free magazine. The standard optic for the AUG the 1.5 scope is probably the best factory scope to date when you compare it to the G36 family which has standard optics available that have been rumored to have difficulty with keeping its zero. There are no such complaints with the AUG's 1.5x optic, which has stood the abuse and punishment of soldiers for decades. The AUG A2 provides a rail for any aftermarket optic as will the American version of the STG 556 and AXR so I feel that is a non issue. The FS2000 is just a little more bulky than I like my rifles, but that is just personal taste. Both the FS2000 and the AUG have heavy triggers stock, BUT with the AUG you can purchase a trigger tammer and I haven't heard of one being sold yet for the FS2000, So with the FS you're stuck with that heavy trigger, but with the AUG you can reduce it down to a 5 lbs pull. Plus, you really can't put a price on a weapon that has proven itself time and time again the world over like the AUG. It is a tough rifle that has felt the heat of combat over and over in the Balkans, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, East Timor, the war on drugs & protecting our boarders with ICE here at home. When you look at the AUG it appears to be a rifle that was SO far ahead of its time that only today are we seeing companies come out with similiar modular systems. The polymer is also today still tougher than a lot of the more modern polymer rifles that have come out after the AUG. So, I like the FS2000 and wouldn't knock anyone for a second for buying them as they are nice rifles, but the AUG is still king in my book in the bullpup world.  EDIT: that said...I hope that someday a better bullpup comes out. I am ALL about progress and I love the forward ejection of the FS2000 so maybe someone will give the best features of both the FS2000 and the AUG in one bullpup. |
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I had a FS2000, Mine had some issues with the inside of the grip getting pitted from fragments of unburned powder falling through a hole in the stock that the bolt moves over and partially melting the grip area of the stock. Also I feel the design was poorly and cheaply executed, the plastic on the FS2000 is much more flimsy than the that of the AUG and the trigger on the AUG is more robust as far as how the arms from the trigger actuate the trigger pack. I'm one of the first in line for the TPDUSA AXR for these reasons because I feel its the best AUG clone to come to market, I will let you guys know how it shoots when I get it. |
The ability to pull the barrel on an AUG is really great for a multitude of reasons. -Makes cleaning easier. -Makes an already small package even smaller when stored or in transit. -With the short stroke gas piston attached to the barrel, if either the piston takes a crap or the barrel gets blocked, you can easily be back in action with a backup barrel. Keep an extra bolt and firing pin in your kit, and you are set to deal with just about any failure. (My buddy does this, and he's been able to quickly fix his problems while at the range.) -Ability to change barrel length without gunsmithing. -Ability to add 9mm conversion without gunsmithing. -For guys with NFA AUGs, the can shoot full auto for a greater period of time without destroying barrels. Barrel is too hot, swap out for new one. -Quick change stuff is cool. I've shot both AUGs and an FS2000. The AUG is by far a better design. The FS is just way too bulky. The lack of a BHO sucks. The AUG seems to have less overall movement when firing. The AUG feels way more robust and less "flexible". I prefer the AUGs vertical grip too. |
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