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Posted: 12/21/2006 6:21:28 AM EDT
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Right off the bat since the irons won't be in for awile. Thinking of the Russian PK-AS-W. I like it because it has no magnification, a very small dot, and an MOA wheel under the rear for range adjustments. But It would be nice to have some low mag power - no more than 4x - especially if it's variable power 1.5-4x or the like. Some way to make range adjustments is a must, with a true BDC being preferred over MOA adjustment like the PK-AS-W. Lastly - here's the kicker - nothing over $400. |
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You should be able to find a used Aimpoint ML2 in a LaRue mount for around $400. It is more like a CQB to 200yd optic, but for the money you are best sticking with it. I had an ACOG-NSN and really don't like them all that much. I found it awkward for CQB distances, somewhat heavy, and with a very poor eye relief (on fullauto I found myself constantly bumping my eyebrow on the rear of the scope). I find the Aimpoint completely adequate out at longer ranges, though I should mention that I have only had the opportunity to shoot out to 100yds with it. If you want a variable power, look into the Trijicon Accupoint in a LaRue mount. This will run somewhat over your $400 budget. Bottom line, don't buy $400 worth of junk, go with some quality glass. Even if you have to save a little longer to get it. |
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I was looking at the IOR 3x25 CQB optic. That looks like a nice peice. Too bad it's $600. I really like their 4x24 models as well, but both of these would be much better if they were variable power. I want to be able to shoot at targets as close as 15 yards. I looked through an ACOG yesterday and the reticle was too fine for my crappy eye to make it out. More cash than I'd care to spend anyway. |
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I'm running an Eotech. I have it towards the rear of the receiver rail because it hits your hand when you charge it. My eyes don't love the Eotech and I may put an aimpoint on it later. I hope you enjoy yours as much as enjoy mine. Range report |
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I'm really glad you liked yours. I was looking at some pics of the original 550s today and it appears that the front sights were mounted using the same dovetail that the 556's gas block has. And also, the railed receiver top appears to unbolt on the 556, and the 550s seem to have screws holding their rails on in the same spots. This leads me to beleive that we might have sights identical to those on the 550s coming. I sure hope so. The sight picture is the same as on HKs, which I really like. ETA: Ok, one good reveiw on the ATN and about a thousand bad ones! No go! |
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www.valdada.com/vn/ior/03q I think this is pretty cool, but have never used one. |
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Went to the local fun shop and looked through both the Leupold 1-3x CQB job and the a 4x ACOG. Honestly, I didn't like either.  The ACOG's reticle is too small, the Leupold seems to have too small of a feild of veiw - even on 1x. And it seems I found I want NO magnification. And I have narrowed down what I want. I need a "short range" optic. 0-200 yards, BUT, it must have the ability to make longer shots when needed. Which includes either a BDC or and easy to use MOA elevation adjuster. No batteries is a plus, but not a requirement. And you know what all this leads me back to? The ole Russkie PK-AS-W. No magnification, a basic red dot for close range, but a very fine dot (around 1.5 MOA from what I hear) complete with elevation adjuster for those long shots when needed. And if the batteries die, I can use it without the reticle lit up. It's far from perfect, but it's the clostest thing to what I want - at any price. The price and the fact that it's built like a tank (or so most owners say) are just bonuses.  |
Kind of like painting a z06 Vette primer grey isn't it? I wouldn't put that sight on a BB gun, let alone a sig. |
LOL you needed to quote my entire post just to insult my taste in optics! Nice! I'm honored! For awile I didn't think you were talking to me, but then I saw you quoted the whole thing! Whew...glad you cleared that up! ETA: I guess I could go with a superior western optic that dosen't come close to fitting my needs, but that would be too smart now, wouldn't it! |
You could get an Eotech with the new magnifyer coming out the first of the year, an Elcan Specter DR, S&B short dot, or Meopta Meostar that would all work worlds better than that POS, and I wouldn't make fun of your choice.  That rusky bumfucked thing looks like an aimpoint shit out of a giraffes ass. Have to have a John kerry face to get the right cheekweld with that optic, but if it fits your needs, go for it 
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Well hell, if I cared what it looked like, I wouldn't be buying a 556 now would I? ETA: If the EoTech 557 with the BDC reticle and 3x magnifier comes out and the combination dosen't cost an arm and a leg, it WILL be the perfect optic for my needs. That or the upcoming Meuller CQB 1-4x. But I need something NOW since the Sig dosen't come with optics, and the PK-AS comes closest to suiting my needs. And it's cheap. And who knows, I might end up loving it. Everyone who owns one seems to like them. |
Hahaha. Ya got a point there!! The Mueller scope does sound good. Have ya heard any news on that thing? I was looking into getting a couple and then "poof" all info was gone, lol. I have a mueller APV and it's a dang nice scope for the $$$, so i wouldn't hesitate to try out their 1-4x if it ever comes out. The optics thread said the 4x eotech was gonna run 800 retail, so prolly 650-700 streetprice after the initial gear queer migration, lol. |
I'd like the mods to delete this post please. I hear this stuff all the time, but I've never, ever had an optic - of any type - quit on me. I guess I'm lucky. I guess all the guys with cheap Russian optics on AKs - are all really, really lucky that their optics hold up fine and seem to be as tough as the rifles themselves. Perhaps they got Kalashnikov to bless their scope rails? Besides, we've been through this. I don't like ACOGs. Period. End of story. I don't like Aimpoints. And I do like Eotechs, but only for close-in stuff. I do appreciate the help, but judging by the responses here, it seems this isn't the place to get the answers I'm seeking. Thanks to everyone for their input, even if they're critical. |
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