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Posted: 6/20/2006 11:03:46 AM EDT
I came up with this at work last night, heres a little mock up
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http://club.guns.ru/images/bizon-1.jpg What about this? BIZON Specifications Caliber: 9 x 18 Makarov PM, 9 x 18 Makarov High Impulse PMM, 9x19 PARA, 9x17 Short, 7.72x25 TT Operation: Free blowback. Semiautomatic and full-auto fire modes. Cyclic rate: 650 to 700 rpm Feed: Aluminum 64-round helical-type magazine. Weight, empty: 2.47 kg (5.45 pounds); without magazine: 2.1 kg (4.6 pounds) Length, overall: With stock unfolded, 660 mm (26.0 inches); with buttstock folded, 425 mm (16.7 inches) Barrel: Four-groove with right-hand twist of one turn. In 240 mm (9.4 inches). The bore and chamber are chrome lined. Sights: Flip-type rear sight with protective ears and two open square U-shaped notches with 50 and 100-meter elevation settings. Round, post-type front sight with protective hood; adjustable for both elevation and windage zero. Finish: Black phosphate. |
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I'd buy that too. But we will more than likely never, ever see that. Pistol caliber carbines don't sell that well. Maybe, just maybe as a parts kit. The Bison is a very neat weapon. The P90 still wins in my book due to sheer novelty but I have wanted a pistol caliber AK for some time. A P90 in a more widely spread caliber like 9mm would be great. 5.7mm ammo is too expensive and uncertain for me right now. I hope it changes though. |
There was a discussion a while back about rounds that were similar in demension (but not in power) to 5.7 What were they? Seems like that would be the easiest conversion. I think someone mentioned .17 HMR... but that is rimmed. - BG |
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Damnit, the one in Battlefield 2 only has 45 rounds! I feel gyped!! |
THe one in BF2 uses the 7.65 capacity instead of the 9mm capacity. |
Well then, I hope they make them, and the ammo, much more cost effective. I'd dig a PS90, even in 5.7x28, if it were less than $1k, and ammo cost about the same as .223. Maybe in a few years? But you gotta admit, a nice compact bullpup style 9mm carbine WOULD SELL. |
GLOCK GLOCK GLOCK! (Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!) Bullpup 9mm, 10mm, 45, 40 S&W carbines  If you look at the current trend in modern military weapons, everyone is going to the bullpup design or at least considering it. I wouldn't be surprised if more bullpups were available in the near future. But FWIW I'd be happy with cheap 5.7x28 ammo. Wolf is planning to come out with 5.7x28. There are some rumors floating around about its release and what type of loadout they will use. Just some fuel for the Fire: Rumor has it: SS198, 35gr, ~2600-2800 ft/s. that puts the effective range out to around 250m-300m, almost in the same area as an AR-15 with iron sights using the IBZ! Hopefully they'll price it less than the FN stuff, because it doesn't take a whole lot of materials to make a 5.7x28 cartridge. It uses less lead, brass, copper, and powder than standard cartridges. It uses a polymer coated case that Tula makes anyhow, and if PP were to make it, it shouldn't be that much of a problem for them. I'm hoping it will be 10c/rd, steel cased cheap stuff so I can plink away with the PS90 like my 9mm Luger pistol and my AR15s. |
That was my orginal idea, then I figured that would look alot likea P90, and one thing led to the other |
While you are photoshopping, why not just get rid of the block where the old P-90 mag went and get the EoTech closer to the barrel? |
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The 9mm PS90 is already available! No kidding. Two people at [gun store name withheld] in Jacksonville, FL tried to sell me one a few weeks ago. I'm not sure what that huge tag marked "5.7" dangling from the trigger guard was all about, but they insisted it was 9mm. 
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Actually, a non-SBR PS90 in 9mm would have a ballistic advantage over a pistol, although I'm sure a .30 carbine would be better. The blue dots are my observations across an Oehler 35P with several different guns (Kel-Tec P11, Walther P99, Glock 19, Taurus PT-92, Kel-Tec Sub-2000). The black line is pure mathematical speculation. Not a scientific study -- just casual observations. Oh, how I'd love to do this again with a 9mm AR15 barrel and progressively cut it down 1" at a time. 
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A bullpup 9mm carbine with cheap mags. Cheap mags! I can't say enough about this! Cheap, readily available mags. AGhHHHHHHHHH! Sorry, I am an HK fan and have been trying to locate reasonably priced magazines. This is the source of my great pain. I would buy a bison in 9mm witha 16in. barrel easily! Or a PS90 in 9mm! If, a year from now, 5.7mm is more widespread then I will start seriously thinking about picking up something in 5.7mm. |
Yep, then you could still SBR it... and suppress it... They'd sell a shitload of them in 9mm. I bet they could even simplify it and use a fixed barrel, since 9mm works fine in a pure straight blowback system. |
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